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Pre-Game Talk: Habs vs Lightning Jan 21

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Rapala said:
Says you and I totally disagree I don't know too many people who think otherwise except for you.
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Where do they have an advantage? Habs defense is better. Goaltending is a sawoff. Top 6 forwards are close - edge Tampa. Tampa's bottom 6 is crap. Habs are about the same.
 
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Boss Man Hughes said:
Where do they have an advantage? Habs defense is better. Goaltending is a sawoff. Top 6 forwards are close. Tampa's bottom 6 is crap. Habs are about the same.
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Their RD blows ours away Their LD is tough and experienced and they are very strong down the middle. They have a proven #1 goaltender. To claim that a team that has scored 23 more goals than us and has given up 27 fewer goals than us doesn't have more talent requires some special kind of eyewear. :popcorn:
 
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Rapala said:
Their RD blows ours away Their LD is tough and experienced and they are very strong down the middle. They have a proven #1 goaltender. To claim that a team that has scored 23 more goals than us and has given up 27 fewer goals than us doesn't have more talent requires some special kind of eyewear. :popcorn:
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RD raddish, Perbix, crottier .. our RD is actually better lmao.

I agree with what your saying tho. But
Our team is on a upward trajectory . We have the talent to compete with the best teams now. Big test tomorrow
 
Rapala said:
Their RD blows ours away Their LD is tough and experienced and they are very strong down the middle. They have a proven #1 goaltender. To claim that a team that has scored 23 more goals than us and has given up 27 fewer goals than us doesn't have more talent requires some special kind of eyewear. :popcorn:
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Crozier, Lilleberg, Raddysh Perbix are all mediocre. Only MocDonagh and Hedman have talent

Forum93 said:
From StatMuse: Andrei Vasilevskiy has a record of 15-2-2 in 19 games with a goals against average of 1.98 and a save percentage of . 935 versus the Canadiens in his career.
He owns us, I'd change it up and give Dobes a go at this.
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Habs have been shit most of that time though. And Vaseline has not been as good this season. Starting a goalie they haven't seen might be an idea though.
 
Catanddogguitarrr said:
If we want to somewhere this year in PO, we need better than Dvorak. Is it Beck, Kapanen or someone we get by a trade, I don't know but Dvorak is one of the passenger in that team. Everybody else move their body but not Dvo. He doesn't even a good % in FO and it was supposed to be his specialty.

But my point to the other poster was we don't really need Michkov with the quality of wingers we have if Demidov comes next season. And one day people will realise Reinbacher is an excellent D.
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Dvorak is 55.3 % on faceoffs, which is great.

A 4th line center is also not the difference between between missing the playoffs or making it.
 
Boss Man Hughes said:
Crozier, Lilleberg, Raddysh Perbix are all mediocre. Only MocDonagh and Hedman have talent


Habs have been shit most of that time though. And Vaseline has not been as good this season. Starting a goalie they haven't seen might be an idea though.
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His stats are better than last year, and very comparable going back 10 years. He's just one of those goalies that always seems to have your number.
 
Rapala said:
LOL only Lilleberg is unproven out of that group. We just don't match up to them talent wise. We will eventually but we aren't there yet. You also forgot JJ Moser and Erik Cernak
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I was looking at tonight's roster. Habs certainly are more talented on defense than Tampa. eLss experienced though so it might be a year or 2 before they are clearly better.

Forum93 said:
His stats are better than last year, and very comparable going back 10 years. He's just one of those goalies that always seems to have your number.
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I rarely watch tampa. I was just going by posters who said he hasn't been quite as good this season.
 
zx81 said:
Only if Toronto beats TB today but knowing the Leafs they''ll lose in OT just to pisses us off 😀
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Yeah that was my mistake. I forgot Tampa was playing at the time.... but they lost in regulation so the post ended up being accurate.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Dvorak is 55.3 % on faceoffs, which is great.

A 4th line center is also not the difference between between missing the playoffs or making it.
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Every game rds shows the lines and Dvorak is the 3rd line center. Evans is the 4th line center.
It's not just making the playoffs, it's winning a round or 2,
Habs fans deserve better than Dvorak. He's barely an nhler, he's mediocre.
I guess Hughes tryed to trade him and I guess there was no taker. This year Dvo played all the games without injuries, we can say he did some good things but that's not enough. We deserve better. We have to compete the Bruins and the Leafs, etc.
 
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Catanddogguitarrr said:
Every game rds shows the lines and Dvorak is the 3rd line center. Evans is the 4th line center.
It's not just making the playoffs, it's winning a round or 2,
Habs fans deserve better than Dvorak. He's barely an nhler, he's mediocre.
I guess Hughes tryed to trade him and I guess there was no taker. This year Dvo played all the games without injuries, we can say he did some good things but that's not enough. We deserve better. We have to compete the Bruins and the Leafs, etc.
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Its a bit ridicule to talk about making moves to go far in the playoffs when the team is far from locked to even make the playoffs, and if they do make the playoffs it would be a massive achievement and far exceed the expectations the team had coming into this season. Also, like I said, the 4th line center isn't going to be the difference maker. If the habs win a round or 2, its highly unlikely that the 4th line center would play a major role for it.

Dvorak is the habs center who averages the least ice time. He averages a whole 1 minute less than Evans.
 
WeThreeKings said:
How is it jumping the gun? He doesn't get the starters job, nobody does.. they keep playing as they keep winning. If Dobes loses on Tuesday, Monty gets the next net.

It's a completely fair situation when the younger goalie is playing hot and winning games. You don't just leave that on the bench. If you want to establish a meritocracy, that's what you do.

It's healthy competition. No one gets a start they didn't earn.
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If that happens to be Monty getting on a another run, I don't think that would be great in the big picture. One of the reasons they had to call up dobes is because Monty was being run into the ground, and he remains one of the most used goalies in the league.

I say alternate 50/50 for now but still keep some semblance of a 2 goalie system moving forward, regardless.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Its a bit ridicule to talk about making moves to go far in the playoffs when the team is far from locked to even make the playoffs, and if they do make the playoffs it would be a massive achievement and far exceed the expectations the team had coming into this season. Also, like I said, the 4th line center isn't going to be the difference maker. If the habs win a round or 2, its highly unlikely that the 4th line center would play a major role for it.

Dvorak is the habs center who averages the least ice time. He averages a whole 1 minute less than Evans.
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I will repeat myself : we deserve better than Dvorak. I see that Habs fans are accustomed with mediocricy, the result of more than 30 years without a cup. Bruins fans don't think like that and their team have excellence every year. They compete, they are serious, while in Montreal we are happy just to have an nhl team. We are somehow satisfied with Dvorak making good plays once in a while and scoring almost 10 goals a year and with an horrible minus stat. But hey that's alright, he's just a 4th line center, at this position it's not important at all. No need to improve there.
 
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Catanddogguitarrr said:
I will repeat myself : we deserve better than Dvorak. I see that Habs fans are accustomed with mediocricy, the result of more than 30 years without a cup. Bruins fans don't think like that and their team have excellence every year. They compete, they are serious, while in Montreal we are happy just to have an nhl team. We are somehow satisfied with Dvorak making good plays once in a while and scoring almost 10 goals a year and with an horrible minus stat. But hey that's alright, he's just a 4th line center, at this position it's not important at all. No need to improve there.
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You fail to realize that the habs and the bruins were in complete different positions. One was rebuilding and the other was in win-now mode. Obviously, the team in win-now mode will try to upgrade every position as much as possible. The team rebuilding or just exiting their rebuild isn't going to do that, especially if its just for short term help and will cost good assets.

You keep talking about Dvorak and mediocrity, but if you really wanted the habs to make the playoffs and go far, you wouldn't be talking about Dvorak, you would be talking about upgrading on Newhook. You know that player who has been in the top 6 all season, but has even less pts than Dvorak.
 
I'm not optimistic about this matchup after the lightning lost in Toronto.

Its a back to back but the lightnibg are looking to avoid back to back losses, and they are coming in with their backs against the wall trying not to be dragged into this wildcard mess.

Expect the experienced lighting to play a motivated and efficient game.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
You fail to realize that the habs and the bruins were in complete different positions. One was rebuilding and the other was in win-now mode. Obviously, the team in win-now mode will try to upgrade every position as much as possible. The team rebuilding or just exiting their rebuild isn't going to do that, especially if its just for short term help and will cost good assets.

You keep talking about Dvorak and mediocrity, but if you really wanted the habs to make the playoffs and go far, you wouldn't be talking about Dvorak, you would be talking about upgrading on Newhook. You know that player who has been in the top 6 all season, but has even less pts than Dvorak.
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If the Habs stay in the hunt at the deadline, I don't think the Habs will be buyers or sellers.

They can't sell because that would be pulling the rug out from underneath the team and shitting over their developments as a team. That would be a good way for management to lose credibility amongst the leaders on the ice, and to destroy the morale of the room. This all would run opposite to the culture they are trying to foster.

They can't buy because the vision can't be lost which is to continue the development path with the youth. The youthful core has brought you this far, and you leave it in their hands and let them grow from this playoff chase.

In this scenario, I can see the Habs getting reinforcements around the edges, but that's as far as they ought to go this year in terms of adding.

However, if they end up around the deadline in free fall, then all bets are off. You can look the players in the eye and tell them you had the opportunity and it didn't work. The players won't like it but deep down, they would know it was fair.

By the way, in the seller role, I'm not advocating anything more than making decisions on veterans and particularly the ones with expiring contracts such as savard, armia, and Evans one way or the other.
 
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JianYang said:
I'm not optimistic about this matchup after the lightning lost in Toronto.

Its a back to back but the lightnibg are looking to avoid back to back losses, and they are coming in with their backs against the wall trying not to be dragged into this wildcard mess.

Expect the experienced lighting to play a motivated and efficient game.
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They are already in the wildcard mess, Ottawa is 1 pts from their spot.
 
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