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I lost hope on those guys bringing back something nice in return, Savars should have been moved when he was actually playing decent hockey.

Evans will most probably be extended.

Dvorak and Armia aren't worth much, maybe a 3rd at best. I don't really care about late picks, I just hope KH doesn't go full Pejorative Slur and extend either one of them!
 
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pth2 said:
Lindgren wasn't worth much of anything, the others left after the team made the playoffs.

You don't risk missing the playoffs to rent out players...
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The year Koivu and Komisarek left they got spanked, As for Danault, no one saw that run coming, not even us.

If they were a real contenders then fine but keeping a guy just to make it in knowing you will likely get smashed is poor asset management.

Maybe if they make those deals in 2009 they have an asset or two to help them win in 2010 or in 2014.

Its pretty simply to me, if they can help the team then re-sign them but if they will for sure test the market then they have to go unless they are one of the favourites to win it all.
 
bernmeister said:
While I got you here, before I forget, share some thoughts pls and we will deliberate later...

Berard
possible Panarin replacement when we don't extend him after next season

checks off most boxes but size.
He is shrimp-ish, I think 5'9 or so

I've said, if he can duplicate the physical center of gravity, etc that made MSL such a tough skater, he can stick. Otherwise, tough. You'll get a few seasons out of him before cumulative wear and tear kicks in

But very fast, great shot, superior passer.
Another 5, maybe even another 3 inches height, this is not a conversation.

What do you add to Barron for Berard
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Gabe P [expected to be w/big club next season]
Othmann
Jones
Rs 2025 1st unprotected

for

Reinbacher
Barron
next 4 1st round picks MON has, all lottery protected [ forget is that 6.7.8 ?]
 
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Mrfenn92 said:
That’s all garbage bro and you know it
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false narrative

Rein is a 5OA
Per in a redraft goes closer to 10
Oth was a mid 1st
both together are close enuf to warrant 5OA

Barron is a throw in
while Rs could change course which woud change things, that unpotected 1st currently looks like a big lottery get
sure there are more picks going the other way, but all are protected

so not garbage, AND YOU KNOW THAT
 
General Fanager said:
The year Koivu and Komisarek left they got spanked, As for Danault, no one saw that run coming, not even us.

If they were a real contenders then fine but keeping a guy just to make it in knowing you will likely get smashed is poor asset management.

Maybe if they make those deals in 2009 they have an asset or two to help them win in 2010 or in 2014.

Its pretty simply to me, if they can help the team then re-sign them but if they will for sure test the market then they have to go unless they are one of the favourites to win it all.
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If the run in 2021 could happen despite expectations, it explains why previous guys were kept on expiring contracts: the hope of a surprise run. The NHL is a business and profit comes from playoff games; had it not been for empty arenas , the 2021 run would have been as profitable as a Cup win.
 
ok we'll keep Gabe P and vice versa on primary pick

LaF
Othmann
Jones
for
Reinbacher
MON 2025 1st unprotected
Barron
(and cap relief)

Habs get stud W, Oth can go now if you like, Jones plays either side, is useful

Rs will wait on Rein + the pick, Barron = depth for now
 
Habs 4 Life said:
I lost hope on those guys bringing back something nice in return, Savars should have been moved when he was actually playing decent hockey.

Evans will most probably be extended.

Dvorak and Armia aren't worth much, maybe a 3rd at best. I don't really care about late picks, I just hope KH doesn't go full Pejorative Slur and extend either one of them!
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I like Armia's skillset for a bottom-six role. I'm not sure about his value, but he could be a shrewd pickup for a team poised for a deep run.
 
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HuGort said:
Those kind of guys are usually key deadline additions. Armia is good defensively and good on penalty kill
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Armia is an ideal pick up for a contender. Great minute eater which is key to closing out leads, and can chip in some goals.

Evans and Savard will have value as well. It all depends on the retention or cap space, but if they want, the habs have assets that are more useful to a contending team.
 
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Habssince89 said:
Armia is an ideal pick up for a contender. Great minute eater which is key to closing out leads, and can chip in some goals.

Evans and Savard will have value as well. It all depends on the retention or cap space, but if they want, the habs have assets that are more useful to a contending team.
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Like to move Matheson this deadline also.
 
Habssince89 said:
Yes he will be sought after. Just can't get low balled
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I'd like to ace this draft as it will likely be last one we draft high it. Like to acquire extra picks to move up in first round.

Martone or Misa with our pick. A big first line scorer so favour Martone at this point. Mrtka with Flames pick, I figure around 13-14th. Trade for another first to draft Fiddler. Makes two big right shot D. Sure up the right side of our defense.
 
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JUSTGIROUXIT said:
I like Armia's skillset for a bottom-six role. I'm not sure about his value, but he could be a shrewd pickup for a team poised for a deep run.
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Agreed he can be a beast when he's on.

Does Dallas need help in their bottom 6? Would fit nice there

Would love to see him on Edmonton too
 
JUSTGIROUXIT said:
I like Armia's skillset for a bottom-six role. I'm not sure about his value, but he could be a shrewd pickup for a team poised for a deep run.
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I think whoever gets him will be happy with his performance, and if the team goes deep someone will brag about their GM getting him for a 3d or 4th rounder.
 
Habs 4 Life said:
I lost hope on those guys bringing back something nice in return, Savars should have been moved when he was actually playing decent hockey.

Evans will most probably be extended.

Dvorak and Armia aren't worth much, maybe a 3rd at best. I don't really care about late picks, I just hope KH doesn't go full Pejorative Slur and extend either one of them!
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Savard hasn’t played decent hockey in years so not to worry; ship sailed long ago
 
TheKrebsCycle said:
Savard hasn’t played decent hockey in years so not to worry; ship sailed long ago
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I disagree, last year we would have gotten a decent haul as he had a pretty good first half of the season. This year, forget it, I think if we are lucky we are looking at a 2nd round pick and a c type prospect but then again teams always overpay for D especially past proven winners and he is one!
 
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Habs 4 Life said:
I disagree, last year we would have gotten a decent haul as he had a pretty good first half of the season. This year, forget it, I think if we are lucky we are looking at a 2nd round pick and a c type prospect but then again teams always overpay for D especially past proven winners and he is one!
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He stunk last year too . It’s just obscured by his flukey goal output ( 7 total goals over the past 5 seasons, not including the year in question of course ) . Same guy; Eye test and analytically he was a tire fire .. I think anyone pays more than a 3 rd they will absolutely regret it …. He’s a 6 th ish dman at this point and would be a borderline healthy scratch for any of the top teams imo . Does he bring experience and shot blocking ? Sure, but he’s far far removed from being a plus defensive d. Bleeds chances and constantly behind in the play . He’s sucked since his Tampa days ; this isn’t a new phenomenon.
 
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Armia & Evans(if Not extended) will have decent value. Evans will get a 2nd and I can see a contender also giving up a 2nd for Armia especially if we retain on him. I dont expect Dvorak to be traded. Savard might get traded if retained but with only 1 retention spot they have to decide which guy to use it on. (Armia/Savard)
 
bernmeister said:
ok we'll keep Gabe P and vice versa on primary pick

LaF
Othmann
Jones
for
Reinbacher
MON 2025 1st unprotected
Barron
(and cap relief)

Habs get stud W, Oth can go now if you like, Jones plays either side, is useful

Rs will wait on Rein + the pick, Barron = depth for now
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Bern in the same way many Rags fans are indifferent to habs young pieces, I don't think Othmann or jones amount to very much. Jones is undersized bottom pairing D and Othman, imo, is a 3rd liner.
There's 0 / no chance habs are giving up Reinbacher and possibly one of hagens or schaefer for a (good) winger in Laf.

Barron isn't a throw in btw....and if that's your logic, then so is Jones who's arguably worse than him.
montreal would never do this
 
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