Value of: Habs veterans between now and Deadline.

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@HuGort

What did Dvorak, Savard and Armia do to deserve such high prices? They have been pretty ordinary (at best) this year.

They all have been at best depth pieces and should get depth prices.

Evans is the only one valued correctly, but he's the one that should be kept.
 
Let’s turn the conditional 3rd we sent you for Allen into a 2nd, you send us the 3rd back, and we’ll throw you a 4th + mid prospect for Evans.
Would you make it a 3rd in '26? We could get the 2nd anyway. If Markstrom goes down.

Evans is a good defensive 4th line center for playoff team. Low contract, he has solid value
 
Montreal needs veterans on D. So have to be prepared to acquire them in the off season either via trade or free agent signing. So, load up on what you can get for your ufa to be but be prepared to use those assets to get help later.
Habs need to fix right side of their D in off season. With collapse of Barron, Reinbacher pushed back a year and Mailloux a ?

Yes, Be couple quality veterans acquired. Habs have 20 million coming off books this summer

The only 2 players that could fetch something interesting is Savard and Evans I think we have to keep them for veteran presence in the locker room. Matheson won't be traded and Dvorak Armia would clear the waivers. Let's be realistic here
Savard is done in Montreal at end of season. Big heavy shot blockering right D with a ring usually go for overvalue at deadline. Increases with Montreal retaining.

Asking less what he went for before. Which was a first and third.
 
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@HuGort

What did Dvorak, Savard and Armia do to deserve such high prices? They have been pretty ordinary (at best) this year.

They all have been at best depth pieces and should get depth prices.

Evans is the only one valued correctly, but he's the one that should be kept.
Nonsense, Dvorak is one of best faceoff guys in league. Very good defensive 4th line center who is playing well on third line. Gallagher/Anderson playing better this season with increased puck possession. Valuable piece for team expecting to go deep in playoffs. For 60th pick in draft or so, it's a deal.

Armia is good defensive forward. Had 18 goals last year on terrible team. A 2nd for him is a deal.
 
With Montreal all but out of playoff picture looking to move a few veterans. Give younger player like Struble, Newhook more icetime.

Any teams interested the prices are:

Looking for a 2nd for Evans.
A 2nd for Dvorak
A late first for Savard 50% retained.
A 2nd for Armia.
All above have expiring contracts.

Matheson want a first and a throw-in. He's signed for another season after this at 4.9million.
Evans would be fair value.
Dvorak 5th
Armia 4th
Matheson 1st, especially with one more year of very good cap hit left. Habs would not trade him for less for sure.
Savard, so overrated just because he is RHD with a ring. He is so slow (ECHL level slow) and the worst Habs D currently. Seriously, I would fire the pro scout who recommends him as a good rental now. Playoff gets even more fast and intense and he cannot handle the speed anymore. Tanev fetched 2nd last year and he is way better D.
 
Prices always get dumb at the deadline, but i just don't see it on most of those "asks". They're much more like just that...a sort of "opening ask". Which is then bargained down substantially from there.


David Savard is the real "deadline overpay" guy. And even that's a little iffy with the mileage on him and where he's currently at.
 
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With Montreal all but out of playoff picture looking to move a few veterans. Give younger player like Struble, Newhook more icetime.

Any teams interested the prices are:

Looking for a 2nd for Evans.
A 2nd for Dvorak
A late first for Savard 50% retained.
A 2nd for Armia.
All above have expiring contracts.

Matheson want a first and a throw-in. He's signed for another season after this at 4.9million.
That’s pretty ambitious for Dvo & Armia. I’d say 4th and 4/3rd respectively.

Matheson easily gets a 1st.
Savard does a lot that casual fans don’t see, I could see him bringing a 2nd. Both Savard & Matheson are from the area and have stated they prefer to remain in Mtl for family reasons.
Evan’s is a wonderful utility player, the Habs should keep him.

Personally I’d like to see them all moved other than Evans.

One of Gallagher or Anderson could be a surprise move, maybe as part of a package to a contender.
 
Edmundson was traded last year at the deadline for a 3rd and 5th. I get the Chiarot trade will be held onto for eternity but Savard is a lot worse then he was at the time….and that trade is more the outlier then the pattern.
 
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With Montreal all but out of playoff picture looking to move a few veterans. Give younger player like Struble, Newhook more icetime.

Any teams interested the prices are:

Looking for a 2nd for Evans.
A 2nd for Dvorak
A late first for Savard 50% retained.
A 2nd for Armia.
All above have expiring contracts.

Matheson want a first and a throw-in. He's signed for another season after this at 4.9million.
Good luck getting anything close to that for those players…except maybe Evans.
Dvorak is zero value…Armia is the same
Savard at 50% might get you a 2nd from a desperate GM, but more likely a 3rd
Matheson isn’t worth close to that..think closer to a 3rd+…maybe a 2nd at the TDL if more than one GM is interested
 
This type of thread is exactly why Habs fans aren’t taken seriously. Be realistic, Monahan and Chairot were serviceable players at least, you’re just listing spare parts now
 
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You’re not getting any high picks.
Maybe a 2nd for Evans. But we should keep him. Marty has effectively tanked everyone’s value.


Hopefully some idiot bites on Matheson because he can skate well
 
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Any teams interested the prices are:

Looking for a 2nd for Evans.
A 2nd for Dvorak
A late first for Savard 50% retained.
A 2nd for Armia.
All above have expiring contracts.

Matheson want a first and a throw-in. He's signed for another season after this at 4.9million.

Any team paying a 2nd for Dvorak, a late 1st for Savard 50% retained or a 2nd for Armia doesn't deserve to be a playoffs team, or heck even a NHL team.

Evans might be worth something like a 3rd and a depth prospect, Matheson has value but not sure how much as he is like a Gostisbehere

Evans I hope is extended, he is closer to Lehkonen than most realize.

I like Evans as a 4th liner but Lehkonen had much better underlying metrics though.
 
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Edmundson was traded last year at the deadline for a 3rd and 5th. I get the Chiarot trade will be held onto for eternity but Savard is a lot worse then he was at the time….and that trade is more the outlier then the pattern.

Edmunson also had back problems and missed significant time the year before his trade too, which would have increased the risk for a relapse in his case and lowered his value after getting back surgery in the Summer after playing the 2022-2023 season. Of course, that whole situation doesn't apply at all to Savard.

That said, Savard won't be getting anything close to Chiarot value. I'd say that Savard's value would be something like a 2nd + a 4th right now considering that a second from a playoff team would be low.

But since Montreal already has so many picks in the next 2 years, I could see them packaging some current and/or future picks alongside Savard to try and get higher picks.

Say:

Savard + MTL 2nd in 2024 or 2025 for a contending team's 2024 or 2025 1st

Matheson won't likely be traded unless the Canadiens manage to get a veteran of similar quality but more defensive-minded/RD in exchange. That, or Hughes gets an offer he can't refuse and pulls the trigger based on a perceived overpayment.

Evans needs to be re-signed if he agrees to it. The Canadiens have some good middle-6 centers coming up in Beck and Kapanen, but they won't be ready for big responsibilities until at minimum 2026, so in the meantime Evans' insulation as a good veteran #3 center is needed.

If Evans refuses to re-sign, then he'd be available too, and he'd likely have similar-ish value to Savard given how good he's been this season.

Armia and Dvorak can be had for peanuts basically. But likely no one bites.

Gallagher and Anderson are negative-value players based on contract, but could possibly be of some interest for specific teams if 50% retained and packaged with some assets, but that's unlikely given the term and lost value.

And that's about it for the Montreal Canadiens' veterans.
 
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Lmao... Good luck on about half of those.
I suspect the Avs would be willing to part with the Rangers 2nd rounder in 2025 for either Evans (no retention obviously) or Dvorak (50% retained on his expiring contract).

If I was the Avs GM, I'd offer that for Evans and see if we could make that deal this afternoon. He's a good player.

Dvorak is overpaid, but he's not awful either. At 50% retained... His cap his is just $2.23MM. Dude is good in the dot. 55% this year. Was 58% last year.

PDO is 96.8... there is some value here IMO.
 
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With Montreal all but out of playoff picture looking to move a few veterans. Give younger player like Struble, Newhook more icetime.

Any teams interested the prices are:

Looking for a 2nd for Evans.
A 2nd for Dvorak
A late first for Savard 50% retained.
A 2nd for Armia.
All above have expiring contracts.

Matheson want a first and a throw-in. He's signed for another season after this at 4.9million.
I could see the Avs having interest in getting one of Evans or Dvorak (50% retained). Evans being the preference.

Ross Colton has been excellent this season as a winger, which has made it crystal clear he ain't a 3C. Or any kind of C. Once Drouin is healthy, Colton will be on the 3rd line again and I'd like him to have someone decent to play with.

Colton - Evans/Dvorak - Logan O'Connor.. Good 3rd line. Very fast and greasy on the wings.

Avs need a bottom six C and someone good in the dot. Have the Rangers 2025 2nd rounder to trade.

Avs like to trade with the Habs. Lex has been outstanding (for Barron+) and we got Colton thanks to the Newhook trade the Avs also make again 10 times in 10.

Lets figure something out here. Need and fit work well between these two clubs.
 
Evans is unlikely to be traded, unless for a overpayment.
Dvorak play C and his decent on faceoff, I can see him being traded, but wont be for much
Savard is vet RD... I can see a market for him, again, the price will be demand-driven.
Armia... may not find a landing spot with that cap hit.
 
I wanna laugh but Chiarot and Monahan returned 1sts after Habs fans were laughed at all season long so I'm gonna keep my mouth shut

For as much Chiarot was bad, he was still playing 23 minutes a night for Montreal when he was traded and was a year removed from averaging 25 minutes in a run to the finals. He was basically designed in a lab to be overvalued at the trade deadline.

Savard hasn’t been to the playoffs in four years and he was last there as a #6 defenseman on a good team. He’s not even playing top pair minutes on the Habs this season.
 
This type of thread is exactly why Habs fans aren’t taken seriously. Be realistic, Monahan and Chairot were serviceable players at least, you’re just listing spare parts now
did you actually read this thread? your generalizations suggest otherwise
 
I could see the Avs having interest in getting one of Evans or Dvorak (50% retained). Evans being the preference.

Ross Colton has been excellent this season as a winger, which has made it crystal clear he ain't a 3C. Or any kind of C. Once Drouin is healthy, Colton will be on the 3rd line again and I'd like him to have someone decent to play with.

Colton - Evans/Dvorak - Logan O'Connor.. Good 3rd line. Very fast and greasy on the wings.

Avs need a bottom six C and someone good in the dot. Have the Rangers 2025 2nd rounder to trade.

Avs like to trade with the Habs. Lex has been outstanding (for Barron+) and we got Colton thanks to the Newhook trade the Avs also make again 10 times in 10.

Lets figure something out here. Need and fit work well between these two clubs.
Habs fans would like to think that Hughes is done being ripped off by MacFarland. He's probably smart enough to realize it too.
I'm not sure you're going to like what Evans will cost at 50% retention. I think it will be more than a low 2nd rounder.
You can have Dvorak for free.
 
Edmundson was traded last year at the deadline for a 3rd and 5th. I get the Chiarot trade will be held onto for eternity but Savard is a lot worse then he was at the time….and that trade is more the outlier then the pattern.

And Tanev went for a 2nd last year.
 

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