Confirmed with Link: Habs sign Lias Andersson 2-way/775k

[Scriptor]

What the heck? Matheson was not a reclamation project. He had his best season to date in 21-22 just before the last one where he broke out completely.

Matheson hadn't confirmed that he had rounded the corner in his progression, even if his season in PIT was encouraging.

He had not yet lived up to his billing that had lead to the signing of his current contract.

That's a reclamation project.

 

[26Mats]

Matheson hadn't confirmed that he had rounded the corner in his progression, even if his season in PIT was encouraging.

He had not yet lived up to his billing that had lead to the signing of his current contract.

That's a reclamation project.

I think Matheson really benefited from playing on a losing team - he could do whatever he wanted to on the ice and it didn't matter if he made a mistake. He started experimenting and finding things that worked. He's our Brandon Montour. The question still remains: can he not make blunders when the games matter, while still making his high difficulty plays?

 

[Scriptor]

I think Matheson really benefited from playing on a losing team - he could do whatever he wanted to on the ice and it didn't matter if he made a mistake. He started experimenting and finding things that worked. He's our Brandon Montour. The question still remains: can he not make blunders when the games matter, while still making his high difficulty plays?

A healthy Matheson will need to repeat what he did after returning from injury last season to have a confirmed breaking out season.

Will the expectations around the team (coaching staff) be high enough to confirm that Mathewson can play the same way under pressure? That remains to be seen.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Matheson hadn't confirmed that he had rounded the corner in his progression, even if his season in PIT was encouraging.

He had not yet lived up to his billing that had lead to the signing of his current contract.

That's a reclamation project.

No, no, no. Trading for a player who just had his best season to date is simply not a reclamation project.

Furthermore, I think Matheson's alleged defensive weakness was solely a function of his being played on the right side in Florida. Pittsburgh moved him to the left, and the Habs kept him there, and what a difference it made. No longer do guys beat him to the outside, as even young Kotkaniemi, not exactly a barn-burner skater, did in his rookie season on the toe-drag highlight reel play.

Jeezus how much do you want to stretch to stubbornly stick to your position? By your own account, he had a good year in 21-22, but had not "confirmed" it with a second one? He was a plus-12 for the season with 11 goals and 31 points, had 6 points in 7 playoff games. He was 34th in the entire league for ES points by a D!!

So, best year to date at age 26, then better year at age 27, but you think trading for him going on 28 was a reclamation project???

It's just not so.

 

[Mudz]

I think Matheson really benefited from playing on a losing team - he could do whatever he wanted to on the ice and it didn't matter if he made a mistake. He started experimenting and finding things that worked. He's our Brandon Montour. The question still remains: can he not make blunders when the games matter, while still making his high difficulty plays?

That's culture rule number 2: "Always make the attacking move"

Number 1 is: "Just have fun"

 

[BaseballCoach]

A healthy Matheson will need to repeat what he did after returning from injury last season to have a confirmed breaking out season.

No, not enough. It won't be good enough that he had four good seasons in a row, each one better than the previous.

You or someone else here will tell us that Mike needs to be a three-peat winner of the Norris Trophy before we can claim he is no longer a reclamation project.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Some poster said yes.

Lias' offensive numbers in the AHL are better than Evans' numbers.

How is his skating, if anyone knows?

ok but not a strength

 

[Rapala]

Good low risk gamble. These are the type of players they need for their AHL team. The Gorton connection obviously tilted the balance to make it happen.

There isn't a player in the league who doesn't like someone who believes in them.

 

[Beer and Chips]

You call Petry for Matheson nothing?

I expect to see this brought up continually in the face of any criticism, a clock is right twice a day.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Depends what they do with Matheson, if hes our 1D for 5 years only to retire and no team success, because hes not a top pair D, then yeah, its nothing.

Thank you Captain Obvious. So if we don't get any success in the next four years, it's basisally nothing. Not only about Matheson but the entire roster.

Agreed of course.

The key word was "if". We don't know that yet, however.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Doesnt matter. The precedent of ex Bobrov pick and ex Hughes clients is getting a bit boring now. They were also in hard on Smith because of nepotism again.

Nothing good comes out of a circle jerk.

Maybe we are all overlooking something.

If Hughes knows a set of players better than others, maybe he is not just trying to get them all, but rather trying to get the UNDERVALUED ones (in his opinion). Knowing say 100 guys really well, he may know which 15 to target and which 35 to stay away from (numbers may vary).

We are only seeing the targeted ones and wondering why he is "lucky"......

 

[26Mats]

I expect to see this brought up continually in the face of any criticism, a clock is right twice a day.

- Look what Toffoli just got traded for after his best season. Hughes got a 1st and Heineman for him.
- a 2nd for Kulak
- Romanov for Dach
- Monahan and a 1st that could be a damn good 1st for free.
- Petry for Matheson
- Kovacevic for free
- The Dach contract
- The Caufield contract

That's 8 good moves off the top of my head and it's early in his tenure.

 

[BaseballCoach]

- Look what Toffoli just got traded for after his best season. Hughes got a 1st and Heineman for him.
- a 2nd for Kulak
- Romanov for Dach
- Monahan and a 1st that could be a damn good 1st for free.
- Petry for Matheson
- Kovacevic for free
- The Dach contract
- The Caufield contract

That's 8 good moves off the top of my head and it's early in his tenure.

Montembeault contract
RHP contract
a 1st+ for Chiarot
31 and 37 for Newhook
Monahan extension

 

[26Mats]

RHP contract
a 1st+ for Chiarot
31 and 37 for Newhook
Monahan extension

I'm a huge RHP fan.

Tying it back to Andersson, maybe he'll be a late bloomer like RHP.

I look forward to seeing his game in preseason. Not expecting much offense. But hoping he has bottom six potential.

 

[Andrei79]

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- Look what Toffoli just got traded for after his best season. Hughes got a 1st and Heineman for him.
- a 2nd for Kulak
- Romanov for Dach
- Monahan and a 1st that could be a damn good 1st for free.
- Petry for Matheson
- Kovacevic for free
- The Dach contract
- The Caufield contract

That's 8 good moves off the top of my head and it's early in his tenure.

The Chiarot deal was very good too. We'll see about the Lehkonen deal, but if Barron ends up a regular on the top 6 as a RD, it's a win-win.

That said, I don't like MB whatsoever, but he made three brilliant moves: the Pacioretty, Danault and Petry deals. If he had succeeded in the Subban-Edmonton, he would have had the best trade since Pollock. Let's see if Hughes can attain those highs while avoiding MBs trading lows.

 

[Mrb1p]

Thank you Captain Obvious. So if we don't get any success in the next four years, it's basisally nothing. Not only about Matheson but the entire roster.

Agreed of course.

The key word was "if". We don't know that yet, however.

Ok

 

[LaP]

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The Chiarot deal was very good too. We'll see about the Lehkonen deal, but if Barron ends up a regular on the top 6 as a RD, it's a win-win.
That said, I don't like MB whatsoever, but he made three brilliant moves: the Pacioretty, Danault and Petry deals. If he had succeeded in the Subban-Edmonton, he would have had the best trade since Pollock. Let's see if Hughes can attain those highs while avoiding MBs trading lows.

I think MB's problems as a GM are more philosophical than anything else. For the most part he did well with his trades and contracts. But he himself played until he was 38 and at a very consistent level (consistently below average). He seems to think players are not getting older. The problem with the Subban trade was not value but how old Weber already was. It was shortening an already closing window. Same with the contract given to Gallagher and Petry. Those contracts would have been less of a problem had the players been 4-5 years younger. Same with Price the problem with the contract is it ends when he'll be 38 and very few players can play at a 10.5 millions level at that age. Had Price been 3-4 years younger it would have been fine.

He also seems to value what made him a 1191 games played player. MB had a long career not because he was a good player. He was quite meh. He had a long career cause he worked hard, did not complain, was a fun player to be around in the locker room and all that ****. He seems as a GM to value that over skills. It's fine for bottom players filling a jersey but you can't apply that logic to your top 6 forwards and top 4 dmen.

Realistically the only two bad trades he did in term of value are Sergachev+cond 2nd round pick for Drouin and his known out of ice issues and two 2nd round pick for an unsigned Shaw with concussions concern. Dvorak was a bad trade mostly because we did not need him and MB panicked. But it is my opinion that MB was slow to react and adjust (firing MT), did not trade players getting older when it was the time to get out (2020 TDL), put too much emphasis on the "white" way to play hockey (to paraphrase Pang) and created an environnement of nepotism that ultimately prevented him to be challenged.

 

[crazyd74]

What the heck? Matheson was not a reclamation project. He had his best season to date in 21-22 just before the last one where he broke out completely.

Wasn't saying so either. I fail to see the parallel between the Matheson trade and the Andersson signing. World's apart.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

This blog entry is not encouraging about his pace. Scouching: What Actually Happened to... Lias Andersson

On the other hand, this one is (much) more encouraging. Lias Andersson Scouting Report: 2017 NHL Draft #15
Isn't it odd? How could the two disagree so spectacularly?

 

[Runner77]

There isn't a player in the league who doesn't like someone who believes in them.

Love is in the air, then.

 

[salbutera]

Love is in the air, then.

 

[Zilo44]

I think MB's problems as a GM are more philosophical than anything else. For the most part he did well with his trades and contracts. But he himself played until he was 38 and at a very consistent level (consistently below average). He seems to think players are not getting older. The problem with the Subban trade was not value but how old Weber already was. It was shortening an already closing window. Same with the contract given to Gallagher and Petry. Those contracts would have been less of a problem had the players been 4-5 years younger. Same with Price the problem with the contract is it ends when he'll be 38 and very few players can play at a 10.5 millions level at that age. Had Price been 3-4 years younger it would have been fine.

He also seems to value what made him a 1191 games played player. MB had a long career not because he was a good player. He was quite meh. He had a long career cause he worked hard, did not complain, was a fun player to be around in the locker room and all that ****. He seems as a GM to value that over skills. It's fine for bottom players filling a jersey but you can't apply that logic to your top 6 forwards and top 4 dmen.

Realistically the only two bad trades he did in term of value are Sergachev+cond 2nd round pick for Drouin and his known out of ice issues and two 2nd round pick for an unsigned Shaw with concussions concern. Dvorak was a bad trade mostly because we did not need him and MB panicked. But it is my opinion that MB was slow to react and adjust (firing MT), did not trade players getting older when it was the time to get out (2020 TDL), put too much emphasis on the "white" way to play hockey (to paraphrase Pang) and created an environnement of nepotism that ultimately prevented him to be challenged.

Biggest problem with Bergevin is he should have gone all in once he traded for Weber and signed Radulov. We still had Plekanec, Markov, Danault, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Price obviously.

That’s when he should’ve traded 1st round picks in order to go deep in the playoffs

 

[FrankMTL]

Is it just me, or does poor Lias look like he has quite a few miles on him already for a 24 year old? And imagine, this is BEFORE he plays hockey in the Montreal market. Get some sleep buddy.

 

[Zilo44]

Is it just me, or does poor Lias look like he has quite a few miles on him already for a 24 year old? And imagine, this is BEFORE he plays hockey in the Montreal market. Get some sleep buddy.

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He easily looks 35 years old

 

[HuGort]

Sometimes people learn from their mistakes. If he did, Andersson was a top ten pick