Post-Game Talk: Habs remain winless in November

[LaP]

Yes I have been thinking of this too. If these young players don’t develop. The window closes again. This core may just not be good enough. And that includes nick. I think demidov and Hutson and fowler may be the first pieces in a new core. But that means another 5 years of building. I don’t see Suzuki ever leading this core to a cup. Never have. May have to start over again. Another 5 years.

It's not really a new core. Suzuki was always going to be a vet once the rebuild is done. I mean some guys around here are absolutely delusional when it comes to this rebuild. We sarted the rebuild with Slaf. Suzuki is 5 years older than Slaf. By the time Slaf enters his prime (~23) Suzuki will be at the end of his 20ies so at the end of his prime. The core of the rebuild is players who are 22 and younger (2020 draft and up). Players older than that will be vet at the end of their prime once the rebuild is done. We have only Suzuki and Caufield in the previous age bracket and two players doesn't constitute a core.

 

[teamfirst]

Yes I have been thinking of this too. If these young players don’t develop. The window closes again. This core may just not be good enough. And that includes nick. I think demidov and Hutson and fowler may be the first pieces in a new core. But that means another 5 years of building. I don’t see Suzuki ever leading this core to a cup. Never have. May have to start over again. Another 5 years.

And you may be very well think the same thing of them in 3-4 years......the never ending story

 

[LaP]

And you may be very well think the same thing of them in 3-4 years......the never ending story

It's the first time we attempt a rebuild since i watch this team (1984). Strange never ending story if you ask me. It never ends before it even starts. The never ending and never starting story. A Schrödinger rebuild. You don't know if it started or never ended before you open the box.

 

[HabsCode]

It's the first time we attempt a rebuild since i watch this team (1984). Strange never ending story if you ask me. It never ends before it even starts. The never ending and never starting story. A Schrödinger rebuild. You don't know if it started or never ended before you open the box.

This. I have my reserve about some of the decisions made by the new management group, but at least they commited to a rebuild, something that was much needed in Montreal for a long ass time.

 

[LaP]

This. I have my reserve about some of the decisions made by the new management group, but at least they commited to a rebuild, something that was much needed in Montreal for a long ass time.

Don't get me wrong I have my reservation too. I don't like the Newhook trade at all. Not sure about the Reinbacher pick. I would certainly not call this a succesful rebuild yet, But like you said at least they are trying and it's too soon to pass a final judgement. Big decisions are waiting for KH next summer though. Is Dach a center? Is Newhook a top 6 player. What to do with Matheson now that Hutson is there? Do we tade some kids for a vet yet?

 

[Legend123]

Yes I have been thinking of this too. If these young players don’t develop. The window closes again. This core may just not be good enough. And that includes nick. I think demidov and Hutson and fowler may be the first pieces in a new core. But that means another 5 years of building. I don’t see Suzuki ever leading this core to a cup. Never have. May have to start over again. Another 5 years.

im not that pesseismtic, everything changes with the additions of some star (superstar hopefully) prospects / players in Demidov, Hutson and perhaps this years 1OA pick (should be at least another top 5 pick at this rate). The current core then become part of the surrounding cast.

The core essentially is Demidov + Slaf + 2025 pick + Hutson + Fowler (+Reinbacher)

To me that should be good enough to compete for years to come when you factor in a surrounding cast of Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, and whoever else from Dach, Newhook, Mailloux, Roy, Beck, etc are able to stand out.

But it does suck to see so many younger players suck ass in a very younger player friendly team. Crazy to think

 

[Runner77]

It's the first time we attempt a rebuild since i watch this team (1984). Strange never ending story if you ask me. It never ends before it even starts. The never ending and never starting story. A Schrödinger rebuild. You don't know if it started or never ended before you open the box.

The rebuild will be over when Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf becomes the team’s 2nd line.

 

[LaP]

The rebuild will be over when Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf becomes the team’s 2nd line.

I'd like to disagree with that but i can't since it's likely right. The good thing is in 4 years 7 millions will likely be kind of standard for good 2nd line players.

 

[Rapala]

The rebuild will be over when Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf becomes the team’s 2nd line.

I think eventually one of those first two gets traded in a blockbuster move to give us a better balanced club...

Who would give a better return in a deal the center or the goal scorer.

 

[LaP]

I think eventually one of those first two gets traded in a blockbuster move to give us a better balanced club...

Who would give a better return in a deal the center or the goal scorer.

The center for sure. Until proven otherwise Caufield is a potential next Skinner just with a better contract which will make him more valuable than Skinner was.

 

[WinterLion]

Play like Bologne for Martone

 

[TheBlob]

We might never win again.

Never. EVER. Our destiny is to lose for eternity.

 

[WinterLion]

The rebuild will be over when Suzuki, Caufield and Slaf becomes the team’s 2nd line.

Very much agreed... and Guhle is 3-4

 

[TheBlob]

32 year old rapidly balding Gallagher outperforming the entire first line

Whoever said that power was in the hair was wrong.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

The good news is that Gally has been our most consistent forward this seaaon

The bad news is that Gally has been our most consistent forward this season

 

[LaP]

Very much agreed... and Guhle is 3-4

Guhle could still develop into a solid number 2 he's younger than Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Guhle could still develop into a solid number 2 he's younger than Suzuki and Caufield.

The more I watch, the more I think Guhle may be one of our most overhyped prospects in recent years. He's good, but its becoming very apparent that those who saw him as a lock for a top pairing defenceman were being overly optimistic.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Did anyone else like the Angry David Savard last night? I did. He should do it more often. His got weight to throw around

All those late night pastries will finally serve a purpose

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The more I watch, the more I think Guhle may be one of our most overhyped prospects in recent years. He's good, but its becoming very apparent that those who saw him as a lock for a top pairing defenceman were being overly optimistic.

Guhle is only 23 and drawing any negative conclusions is just as foolish as the overly positive ones. Guhle has all the qualities needed to become a first pairing D à la Ekholm. Only time will tell if he reaches it.

 

[Miller Time]

The more I watch, the more I think Guhle may be one of our most overhyped prospects in recent years. He's good, but its becoming very apparent that those who saw him as a lock for a top pairing defenceman were being overly optimistic.

At the same age, Forsling was looking like a lock to be an AHL dman....

Perhaps a bit too early to be overly confident on Guhle's ceiling, low or high.

Today, he's a 22 year old dman that is already a decent top pairing player, with room to grow.

 

[The Great Weal]

The more I watch, the more I think Guhle may be one of our most overhyped prospects in recent years. He's good, but its becoming very apparent that those who saw him as a lock for a top pairing defenceman were being overly optimistic.

The guy hasn't even played 125 NHL games. He definitely has #2 potential and I'm not even his biggest fan. He likely won't be a stud #1 dman on a cup contender, but I could see him playing second fiddle to one.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yes I have been thinking of this too. If these young players don’t develop. The window closes again. This core may just not be good enough. And that includes nick. I think demidov and Hutson and fowler may be the first pieces in a new core. But that means another 5 years of building. I don’t see Suzuki ever leading this core to a cup. Never have. May have to start over again. Another 5 years.

That's not how you build a team. This insistence on this or that core is so shortsighted. You build by staking talent, not by turning the page on a set of players for another set.

Seems like just narrative building so you can fearmonger over another 5 years of rebuild.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Don't get me wrong I have my reservation too. I don't like the Newhook trade at all. Not sure about the Reinbacher pick. I would certainly not call this a succesful rebuild yet, But like you said at least they are trying and it's too soon to pass a final judgement. Big decisions are waiting for KH next summer though. Is Dach a center? Is Newhook a top 6 player. What to do with Matheson now that Hutson is there? Do we tade some kids for a vet yet?

Whatever they are will be settled by future internal competition that will come from the drafted players integrated to the team. Only time will tell where they finally settle.

 

[Runner77]

I think eventually one of those first two gets traded in a blockbuster move to give us a better balanced club...

Who would give a better return in a deal the center or the goal scorer.

I'd keep the two-way, ironman captain center over the one-dimensional, undersized goal scorer. Love Caufield and he seems greatly appreciated as a teammate but given how this organization has been unable to produce top 6 center talent, Suzuki becomes untouchable. Here's hoping Hage enters the top 6 convo at some point.

The key is to keep drafting center talent, until there is so much of it that it ends up on the wings. Of course, a lot needs to go right for that to happen. Hage woud have never fallen to Hughes had he not moved up at the draft. We'll need more of that.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The guy hasn't even played 125 NHL games. He definitely has #2 potential and I'm not even his biggest fan. He likely won't be a stud #1 dman on a cup contender, but I could see him playing second fiddle to one.

Maybe. I just think that Struble has equal if not more upside than Guhle. As I said, Guhle is good, but not as good as many here think or hoped for. As a start, let's see if he can stay healthy. Availability is one of the most important assets of any professional athlete.