Value of: Habs prospects and picks

[dgibb10]

Ok, if you say so, genius who haven't really watched the player.

Being good defensively isn't just about corsi and stuff.

Its about positioning, about anticipation and about being good with your stick.

And he was good in all those facets.

You can analytic all you want and consider it like the gospel, but we're talking about a rookie learning on the job who had a bad end of the season, and his analytics were probably bad because of it...

Analytics can tell you things but if you consider them as the gospel, its then that they screw you.

I personally was not a believer in him at first but he proved me wrong and it's not because of an atrocious 3 months at the end of season, affecting his stats, that it will change my mind about him

Yes he needs a playmaker to help him score goals but he certainly have the shooting ability to reproduce those numbers, and advanced stats aren't able to show you that

You're just evaluating a rookie like if he was a 4 seasons veteran...

He'll learn, that what he constantly did since drafted = steady riser.

That too, advanced stats can't tell you...

Being good defensively is about stopping the other team from generating shots, chances and especially high quality shots.

Whether you give up a top quality chance because you were out of position in the dzone, or because you tried to fly the zone early, or even if you make a bad pass in the ozone that gets taken for a breakaway the other way, all of those are defensive failures.

You can be elite defensively if you just have the puck the whole time. In fact, that's the best way to play defence. You can't get scored on if your team has the puck.

 

[samsagat]

Once again you're talking in a "purely theoretical" way.

A guy can have all the good tools to be good defensively, but lacking the experience and playing with another rookie learning on the job can have the effect of all your good defensive plays are put down by a single rookie mistake... that are a normal part of the process = being consistent and knowing how to approach defensive plays at the NHL level.

Anyway, we'll see next year because my little finger tells me Habs won't be able to address their 2nd center position through trades and the UFA market will certainly not be the answer either...

So they'll probably stick to Kapanen hoping I'm right and you're wrong...

Because at the end of the day if McTavish isn't a finished product and he still have areas to grow, so is Kapanen who's less experienced and younger ..

 

[dgibb10]

Once again your talking in a "purely theoretical" way.

A guy can have all the good tools to be good defensively, but lacking the experience and playing with another rookie learning on the job can have the effect of all your good defensive plays are put down by a single rookie mistake... that are a normal part of the process = being consistent.

Anyway, we'll see next year because my little finger tells me Habs won't be able to address their 2nd center position through trades and the UFA market will certainly not be the answer either...

So they'll probably stick to Kapanen hoping I'm right and you're wrong...

Because at the end of the day if McTavish isn't a finished product and he still have areas to grow, so is Kapanen who's less experienced and younger ..

Kapanen and McTavish are from the same draft class.

Neither are finished products, but the starting point, and the upside on McTavish is simply much higher

 

[samsagat]

Kapanen and McTavish are from the same draft class.

Neither are finished products, but the starting point, and the upside on McTavish is simply much higher

Yet one has stalled and the other has steadily progressed...

Stop pretending like you know the future, even pros paid millions to do the job aren't able to do so...

If you were that good you wouldn't be here arguing with me...

 

[glenbuis2]

Kapanen and McTavish are from the same draft class.

Neither are finished products, but the starting point, and the upside on McTavish is simply much higher

as a habs fan myself i believe in the fancy stats but you seem to take it to an extreme level . i don’t mean extreme solely looking at the stats either . it’s almost like your scared we’re gonna be able to package kapanen for another major piece . what is your hatred with kapanen ? did he steal your girlfriend or something ? it’s one thing to point out a 22 yr old kids flaws but you have a serious anti hab bias thing going on . there may be help for that you know .

 

[dgibb10]

as a habs fan myself i believe in the fancy stats but you seem to take it to an extreme level . i don’t mean extreme solely looking at the stats either . you seem to have a real anti hab bias thing going on . it’s almost like your scared we’re gonna be able to package kapanen for another major piece . what is your hatred with kapanen ? did he steal your girlfriend or something ? it’s one thing to point out a 22 yr old kids flaws but you have a serious anti hab bias thing going on . there may be help for that you know .

How is it being critical of the habs to be critical of 1 player who had significantly worse results than all the other players on the habs.

MTLs dcore (outside of Xhekaj who is in my opinion the worst dman to get real usage in the NHL) was excellent

The top line was excellent, the 4C and 3C in evans and danault are stellar. Demidov is stellar.

Kapanen was not. As I've said, when you get the easiest usage on a team and the worst results on a team, that's not good.