GDT: Habs' Post-Mortem (10AM ET Today) - Players, Hughes & Gorton Will Speak

[OpenIceHit]

Our vets, have been brutal..................and that's being kind. You mention 2, and then when you throw in Gally, and Drou and we all know why we are a lottery team......it was a bad year for vets....

We can hope this offseason 1-2 of them are moved, or bought out....

Scars left by MB will take time to heal. Another 2 years if we buy out Gallagher in a year or two.

 

[OnTheRun]

I disagree. If he can succeed where many have failed it will be a good look for him.

At any rate, I just want him playing wing with two good offensive players. If Monahan is back and healthy, with the emergence of Dach at C, that becomes doable.

You knows what you are getting if you are trading for Dvorak. (This was true when Bergy traded for him btw) so unless your plan is to play him with players equivalent or better than Suzuki/CC then you get the same sub-40 points we originally got... because that what he is.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Money is no issues for Molson. Cap only applies to players. And Burrows is not making that much money as an assistant coach. They fill the darn building even if they are losing. So, no $$$$ worries.


Just seiing that name in the line up makes me puke. And Gally at 6,5 M $ on a 4th line doesn't make sense at all. Give that job to Ylonen, Heineman or Belzile. Slaf better show some improvement because I think RHP is way ahead of him to play on the second line.

Fact of the matter is that both Hoffman and Gally are vets and will not be benched or sent down for the likes of Ylonen or Belzile. Not gonna happen.

Only way more youth plays is either due to injuries or if some of these vets are traded for non roster players.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Fact of the matter is that both Hoffman and Gally are vets and will not be benched or sent down for the likes of Ylonen or Belzile. Not gonna happen.

Only way more youth plays is either due to injuries or if some of these vets are traded for non roster players.

They aren't going to put Ylonen on waivers for the sake of Mike Hoffman staying in the NHL.

 

[OpenIceHit]

You knows what you are getting if you are trading for Dvorak. (This was true when Bergy traded for him btw) so unless your plan is to play him with players equivalent or better than Suzuki/CC then you get the same sub-40 points we originally got... because that what he is.

Can't believe we gave a 1st for this guy. KK is already outproducing him at 22...

 

[26Mats]

You knows what you are getting if you are trading for Dvorak. (This was true when Bergy traded for him btw) so unless your plan is to play him with players equivalent or better than Suzuki/CC then you get the same sub-40 points we originally got... because that what he is.

not everyone can produce with offensive players.

He may be useful to us in the following lineup, even if he doesn't return a lot in a trade:

Caufield Suzuki Dvo
Duboi Dach Slaf/Gurianov
RHP Monahan Anderson
Gallagher Evans Ylonen

He could play with Dubois and Dach or Caufield and Suzuki.

 

[OnTheRun]

Can't believe we gave a 1st for this guy. KK is already outproducing him at 22...

The funny thing is even Bergy wasn't willing to cough up a first for Dvo... until he painted himself in a corner that is.

 

[26Mats]

Can't believe we gave a 1st for this guy. KK is already outproducing him at 22...

Well most on these boards loved it.

The vote was something like 80% to 20% in favor of not matching the KK offer.

And everyone hated Danault saying he was out of his mind for asking for 5.5M. That was closer to 90%. People were saying Dvo is better and has a lower cap hit at 4.5M...smh

 

[habsterr]

Well most on these boards loved it.

The vote was something like 80% to 20% in favor of not matching the KK offer.

And everyone hated Danault saying he was out of his mind for asking for 5.5M. That was closer to 90%. People were saying Dvo is better and has a lower cap hit at 4.5M...smh

Not matching the offer sheet is fine, it's the bad trade for Dvorak right after.

 

[26Mats]

Not matching the offer sheet is fine, it's the bad trade for Dvorak right after.

we'll see how it works out. We could use a 22 yea old 6'2 3c right now.

 

[Rapala]

They aren't going to put Ylonen on waivers for the sake of Mike Hoffman staying in the NHL.

The odds are actually far greater that they would package Ylonen with Hoffman and even that would be considered a waste with only 1 yr remaining on Hoffman's contract. I guess it would depend on what's coming back.

 

[OpenIceHit]

Well most on these boards loved it.

The vote was something like 80% to 20% in favor of not matching the KK offer.

And everyone hated Danault saying he was out of his mind for asking for 5.5M. That was closer to 90%. People were saying Dvo is better and has a lower cap hit at 4.5M...smh

Not matching the offer was the right thing to do. Getting to this point was the main issue.

 

[26Mats]

Not matching the offer was the right thing to do. Getting to this point was the main issue.

I am glad we accidentally tanked and MB got fired.

Every bad move was in fact what was best for the organization. The worse the better.

 

[OnTheRun]

not everyone can produce with offensive players.

He may be useful to us in the following lineup, even if he doesn't return a lot in a trade:

Caufield Suzuki Dvo
Duboi Dach Slaf/Gurianov
RHP Monahan Anderson
Gallagher Evans Ylonen

He could play with Dubois and Dach or Caufield and Suzuki.

My point wasn't about how we use Dvo next year, it's about player value not being that volatile, if Dvo happen to do well with CC/Suzuki he will be more appealing (ie: easier to trade/more interest to get him) but team won't necessary be willing to pay more because of that recent stretch of "success".

 

[26Mats]

My point wasn't about how we use Dvo next year, it's about player value not being that volatile, if Dvo happen to do well with CC/Suzuki he will be more appealing (ie: easier to trade/more interest to get him) but team won't necessary be willing to pay more because of that recent stretch of "success".

I agree with you. But things can change fast in the NHL.

Vanek had huge value, went to New York and didn't play well and his value plummeted.

Chiarot was a secondary player on the UFA market, behind the likes of that former Leaf that signed in Carolina. We even wanted the guy, and had to settle for Chiarot. Then he helps us get to the final, and the following year does a serviceable job in the #1 D role when Petry sucks balls, and then all of a sudden he's a hot commodity leading up to TDL and nets us a 2023 unprotected 1st.

Dvo is a solid two way player, who's good on the wall, good in front of the net, has a good shot, and is good defensively. He's just not a dynamic center. There's no way he should be playing center. Imo, he could surprise with his contributions as a complementary winger with good offensive players.

Dvorak with Dach:

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Well most on these boards loved it.

The vote was something like 80% to 20% in favor of not matching the KK offer.

And everyone hated Danault saying he was out of his mind for asking for 5.5M. That was closer to 90%. People were saying Dvo is better and has a lower cap hit at 4.5M...smh

Not this cat, I knew we undervalued Danault, I don't think anyone was happy with trading for DVO though.

 

[GTA]

not everyone can produce with offensive players.

He may be useful to us in the following lineup, even if he doesn't return a lot in a trade:

Caufield Suzuki Dvo
Duboi Dach Slaf/Gurianov
RHP Monahan Anderson
Gallagher Evans Ylonen

He could play with Dubois and Dach or Caufield and Suzuki.

This is the perfect forward group to keep us a bubble team for the next decade.

 

[Cournoyer12]

This is just my uneducated opinion. When I called myself an athlete many years ago, I trained Olympic style weightlifting to improve my performance. I found that it was extremely beneficial for the sports I was involved in. Having said this I am aware that this type of training is very hard on the body and there are a significant lack of individuals who can coach this in North America. However it is the training of compound movements that fire the forge of athletic excellence. I am not discounting the benefits of powerlifting but the body coordinates better with Cleans,Snatches heavy pulls etc. I think an emphasis on this type of training would be a boon for the Habs. Just my opinion lads!

 

[McGees]

Dvo is ok as a 3C - although his grumpy pants vibe doesn't really fit on this team tbh.
We gave up too much but what's done is done.
Monahan is better but is too risky to rely on with his endless injuries.
I'd rather be done with both but we'll see what happens.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Well most on these boards loved it.

The vote was something like 80% to 20% in favor of not matching the KK offer.

And everyone hated Danault saying he was out of his mind for asking for 5.5M. That was closer to 90%. People were saying Dvo is better and has a lower cap hit at 4.5M...smh

This management had nothing to do with KK, and everyone supported not matching because he wasn't worth $6.1m, and still isn't.

Almost no one wanted the Dvorak trade. Turning around and trading a 1st and 2nd for Dvorak was an absolute shit move.

Bergevin was infamous for this stuff though. For every ok move, he'd turn around and make 2 gawd damn awful ones. The Drouin trade was exactly the same. When that was made, everyone assumed Radulov & Markov were coming back, so Drouin was offensive support on 2nd line, which we needed. Huge payout, but team had Price, an aging Markov, Pacioretty with one year left on a sweet deal. We were in win now mode.

Then we learned Marky & Rads were coming back and Drouin was supposed to be our #1 C.

We ended up with the Summer of Alzner, which we're still paying for because of the dead cap due to his buy-out. And, we just now finished Drouin's contract.

Bergevin was a f***ing idiot.

 

[26Mats]

This management had nothing to do with KK, and everyone supported not matching because he wasn't worth $6.1m, and still isn't.

Almost no one wanted the Dvorak trade. Turning around and trading a 1st and 2nd for Dvorak was an absolute shit move.

Bergevin was infamous for this stuff though. For every ok move, he'd turn around and make 2 gawd damn awful ones. The Drouin trade was exactly the same. When that was made, everyone assumed Radulov & Markov were coming back, so Drouin was offensive support on 2nd line, which we needed. Huge payout, but team had Price, an aging Markov, Pacioretty with one year left on a sweet deal. We were in win now mode.

Then we learned Marky & Rads were coming back and Drouin was supposed to be our #1 C.

We ended up with the Summer of Alzner, which we're still paying for because of the dead cap due to his buy-out. And, we just now finished Drouin's contract.

Bergevin was a f***ing idiot.

Kk wasn't worth 6M, but it was clear to me he wasn't going to get 6M again because he wasn't ready to perform like a 6M player. I envisioned a longer term deal at a lower cap hit being negotiated before a 2nd 6M contract, so I was fine with giving him 6M for one year. That was the price to pay for inciting Carolina to retaliate for the softest, lamest, most bargain bin "hostile" offer in the history of the RFA market.

This is the perfect forward group to keep us a bubble team for the next decade.

No because Monahan and Dvorak will be dealt and the young players we're drafting will come in in their place when they're ready. And Gallagher will be bought out in 2 years.

I would have rathered bottom out by trading Savard and Anderson. But it's not the path HuGo are taking.

 

[BLONG7]

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Some vets can be bad but how to a certain degree it's bad for the young developpment? We are not in the locker room, how can we know if a vet create a toxic environment.

If a vet is playing bad and that's all, why make a drama about it?

My view, as a guy who played team sports years ago, you notice the guys who do NOT carry their weight or pay cheque............it's bad for the entire team.

The kids look to the vets to carry the mail and when they don't and see at times, the coach still give them TOI ( Hoffman, Armia, Gally and Drouin ) I think it does hurt the entire team.

Our kids made the vets all look like idiots this year. Hilarious.
When the vets stink, do you think they have any credibility in the room? Not likely......not that we didn't have a few vets who perfomed too, kudos to Savard, Matheson, and Monahan when he was healthy.

 

[EXPOS123]

This management had nothing to do with KK, and everyone supported not matching because he wasn't worth $6.1m, and still isn't.

Almost no one wanted the Dvorak trade. Turning around and trading a 1st and 2nd for Dvorak was an absolute shit move.

Bergevin was infamous for this stuff though. For every ok move, he'd turn around and make 2 gawd damn awful ones. The Drouin trade was exactly the same. When that was made, everyone assumed Radulov & Markov were coming back, so Drouin was offensive support on 2nd line, which we needed. Huge payout, but team had Price, an aging Markov, Pacioretty with one year left on a sweet deal. We were in win now mode.

Then we learned Marky & Rads were coming back and Drouin was supposed to be our #1 C.

We ended up with the Summer of Alzner, which we're still paying for because of the dead cap due to his buy-out. And, we just now finished Drouin's contract.

Bergevin was a f***ing idiot.

Dude, there were people creaming their pants on this board when the Dvorak trade was made

“He’s so underated” I was told and that “ he’s “the perfect #2 C and he has untapped offensive potential “ was the garbage that was spewed a the time

 

[Scriptor]

They aren't going to put Ylonen on waivers for the sake of Mike Hoffman staying in the NHL.

No, but if they aren't sold on Ylonen's ceiling at the NHL level, he could be an add-on in a trade package.

I'm not 100% sold on Ylonen because, unlike Byron and Lehkonen, I think he is too soft. Good tools -- speed and shot, plus defensive acumen with stick work -- but too much of a periphery player, IMO.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Dude, there were people creaming their pants on this board when the Dvorak trade was made

“He’s so underated” I was told and that “ he’s “the perfect #2 C and he has untapped offensive potential “ was the garbage was spewed a the time

Who really cares. It's just opinion, and doesn't have an impact on what the Canadiens do anyway.

Everything Bergevin did after the finals run was just one dumbass move after another anyway.

He left behind a garbage dump that Hughes is trying to clean up.