Post-Game Talk: Habs lose to the Devils

[waitin425]

Sidney Crosby played 81, 79, 53, 77 and 81 games in his first 5 seasons. He had a proven track record of somewhat durability except for his 3rd season.

Dach and Guhle have always been injured and missed significant time since their professional careers started. It is very naive to magically think they would become durable all of the sudden.

Convenient to ignore years 6, 7 and 8.

How is it naive to think their injuries are NOT indicative of a long standing injury or health problem?

Not sure your qualifications in the medical field, but please explain how Dach's wrist injury is related to his knee injury and how that provides a long term prognosis of his health going forward and chances of being healthy for the remainder of his career.

You are making your case based on emotion and not sound logic backed up by facts.

 

[ArtPeur]

Will there? I don’t know about that.

San Jose and Anaheim?

 

[waitin425]

Sure, just so that the same thing happens by end of Oct 2024? The complete teams don't fall apart just because 1 or 2, even if they are key, players are out of the lineup. Complete teams are able to complete even with a depleted lineup. Dach is not McDavid. Guhle is not Makar. Team should not fall apart just because they are not available.

Our team wasn't destined to compete this year anyways. Other players (particularly young ones) look worse and are worse without them in the lineup. Removing them, changes very little in terms of where we finish in the standings, but the impact is still felt on the team.

 

[Miller Time]

There is a weak correlation between injuries and results over the season overall. However, a significant part of the “weaker lineup leading to injuries” side of the coin is teams falling out of contention (or never planning to contend in the first place) shutting players down more often and sooner, which increases the MGL numbers without impacting on outcomes (playoffs vs non-playoffs at least).

Agreed, though I'd say it does impact outcomes as far as final points standing, lottery position & MGL totals, but irrelevant to playoff vs lottery participation

 

[morhilane]

Habs had the day-off today. I don't blame them after a back-to-back, but they have a game tomorrow with probably an optional morning skate again which means zero work will be done to fix the execution issues.

Playing against Columbus tomorrow will be "entertaining" to watch again.

 

[NHLInjuryViz]

Agreed, though I'd say it does impact outcomes as far as final points standing, lottery position & MGL totals, but irrelevant to playoff vs lottery participation

Agree, though obviously the high MGL / few points relationship then becomes a positive thing for the team, which is what muddies the waters a lot.

 

[larek]

C'mon man he's been terrible for much of this season. Minute munching doesn't cut it. I don't see him moving the puck very well at all. To be fair our forwards don't seem to be much help on the breakouts but still he was falling all over the ice last night. He's definitely not PP1 material either but we keep trotting him out there so I'll cut him some slack. He was playing much better towards the end of last season with nothing on the line.

Makes alot of mistakes

 

[McGees]

Can we fast forward that sh*tty year and discuss who we draft at #5 spot?

The sad part about this, is I don't think we even get to draft that high. more like 8-12.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Habs had the day-off today. I don't blame them after a back-to-back, but they have a game tomorrow with probably an optional morning skate again which means zero work will be done to fix the execution issues.

Playing against Columbus tomorrow will be "entertaining" to watch again.

Even against other *bad* teams we get out possessed and out shot by an insane margin.

Maybe we win, but we will probably have double the giveaways and struggle to muster 25 shots on goal

I hope they start Allen and not Monty, reward the players who perform, demote the ones who can't

 

[Trabdy2]

I felt we competed pretty about as well as we could have against a strong team like the Devils, especially considering our injured players and being on the second half of a back to back. We hung in there through two periods.

We need our best players to be our best players and both Suzuki and Caufield haven't been great so far this year. Guhle and Dach are expected to be other cornerstone players for us in our rebuild and they aren't even playing.

There's obviously still a lot of work to be done as we continue to rebuild; we aren't close to competing yet. We're going to need another year or two of higher draft picks, player development, and meshing as a team to start competing.

Our PP is abysmal. Something has to change there.

 

[ReHabs]

Even against other *bad* teams we get out possessed and out shot by an insane margin.

Maybe we win, but we will probably have double the giveaways and struggle to muster 25 shots on goal

I hope they start Allen and not Monty, reward the players who perform, demote the ones who can't

Allen's been rewarded enough. He's thanked us enough too with his stealing of points. It's an abusive relationship.

 

[417]

I think the biggest issue with respect to our powerplay is we don't try anything different. We keep doing the same thing and we continue to fail.

My biggest issue with the PP is we have no PP QB and the closest player we have to resembles one (Justin Barron) doesn't play on either unit.

 

[sampollock]

Couldn't watch this game

Just saw the shot totals and the giveaway stats and I have to assume it was more of the same awful gross disgusting boring never touch the puck or complete a pass hockey

Glad I didn't waste my time

Nice goal matheson

yup same here

no SN package this year. I will try stream free games that is it.

 

[Le Tricolore]

I got tickets to the game last night and was finally able to see Caufield and Slafkovsky live (among others), so that was fun. The team looked good to start, but then just took bad penalties and couldn't kill them. The Matheson goal was great and all, but sometimes he just tries to do way too much and it usually doesn't pay off.

I was pleasantly surprised by Lindstrom. I didn't know what to expect, but on the rare times I noticed him, I thought he had a solid game. I was also happy to see Barron pressing a little more offensively. I was hoping that's what he'd be when we traded for him, and he's been progressing nicely, IMO.

 

[salbutera]

I'm gonna sugarcoat it a bit or else it'll come off as too angry but I loath Molson and his products.At least he's consistent,that on ice product is as shitty as his bottled one. Imagine had they not hired those skills and development staff what they would look like? I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about it.Sure I don't expect perfection but some progression should be happening not regression.

Who’s regressing? Slaf is much improved, same Ylonen. Harris & Barron are what they are …. A team with lack of depth can’t afford to lose important cogs like Dach & Guhle

Suzuki/Caufield are having a very difficult time facing opposing teams top lines - doesn’t help they’re missing an important element on their W to help complement their game

Manage expectations…

 

[Runner77]

The injuries were fluke accidents and not indicative of a player being soft or made of glass. I never buy into that analogy unless they have an injury that is truly career threatening. Was Sid made of glass in the early part of his career when he had all those concussions and missed the better part of a couple of seasons?

The tricky question is the threshold at which injuries cease being categorized as freak incidents for a given player.

Some players just happen to be more resilient, which evokes the axiom about how health is a skill.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

The injuries were fluke accidents and not indicative of a player being soft or made of glass. I never buy into that analogy unless they have an injury that is truly career threatening. Was Sid made of glass in the early part of his career when he had all those concussions and missed the better part of a couple of seasons?

Dach has never played a full season
If he’s not injury prone then he has some sort of curse

 

[Runner77]

My biggest issue with the PP is we have no PP QB and the closest player we have to resembles one (Justin Barron) doesn't play on either unit.

Our PP QB is at BU and he doesn’t just resemble one but is one. I believe he’ll translate.

 

[waitin425]

The tricky question is the threshold at which injuries cease being categorized as freak incidents for a given player.

Some players just happen to be more resilient, which evokes the axiom about how health is a skill.

It all seems wishy washy to me. Naturally some people are going to get injured more often than others, we simply can't say every player will experience _ injuries in a career and miss _ games. It is not finite and some players unfortunately have more and some will have less. Some may get injured more because they place themselves in those situations or play a certain way, I'll concede that, but blanketly stating Dach and Guhle are injury prone is not rooted in any science or logic. They may very well never have a major injury again in their career for all we know.

Dach's latest injury was on a fluke play. The question should be whether his knee will not heal and whether he will be more susceptible to knee issues in the future because of this. Being susceptible to future knee injuries due to permanent structural damage, would make him injury prone in my books. This could actually only be answered by a Doctor. This injury, and his wrist one, shouldn't be used to argue some vague concept that he is made of glass.

Going back to Crosby, who I highlighted earlier. I think concussions are actually a pretty common one that leads to further re-occurrences. It would be a fair statement to make that Crosby is concussion prone. This is a factor when determining his value. Same applied to Lindros. I mean, at the end of the day they are still superstars and worth the risk, but I think you get my point.

Dach has never played a full season
If he’s not injury prone then he has some sort of curse

He's is not injury prone or cursed. He has unfortunately experienced two injuries that any other player could have experienced. Dach unfortunately did. Shit luck.

 

[Aces on the road]

Bruh this team ain't going nowhere, Toffoli and Lehkonen wouldn't change anything.

We need first liners. A #1 dman that's not always injured or plain dumb. A #1 goalie.

This will take a while.

And coach

 

[417]

Our PP QB is at BU and he doesn’t just resemble one but is one. I believe he’ll translate.

Yeah in between him and Mailloux and I think this long lasting PPQB issue is going to be resolved eventually.

Matheson is just to jittery out there and tries to do too much.

 

[Runner77]

The question should be whether his knee will not heal and whether he will be more susceptible to knee issues in the future because of this. Being susceptible to future knee injuries due to permanent structural damage, would make him injury prone in my books. This could actually only be answered by a Doctor.

That ought to be the litmus test in Dach’s case and not how he got injured, at this early stage in his career.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Doesn't sound very convincing

Lots of teams predicted to be lottery teams end up there without league leading man- games lost to injury.

Even if a correlation btw the two could be established, it wouldn't be clear wether icing a weaker lineup led to the injuries or the injuries led to the poor results

Clearly, you're missing a few key words here in what the pundit said, something something about pushing the team to perform, hence not all bottom teams will be pushed like that to perform, but pointing that out will be pointless, so adios.

 

[OldCraig71]

The reason why Suzuki looks like shit is because his line spends too much time running after the puck.

We are really bad at recovering the puck and breaking out cleanly.

It wears down the entire team and our offensive quality massively drops.

Stick Pezetta on the line with him and Caufield, it's not as if either one of them will attempt a pass to the third member of the line anyhow. Pezz can do the dirty work in the corners and Nick and Cole can pass to each other and get scoring opportunities.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He's is not injury prone or cursed. He has unfortunately experienced two injuries that any other player could have experienced. Dach unfortunately did. Shit luck.

Right it just happens to him every single season since he started playing