Post-Game Talk: Habs lose third straight game. Jets run Habs out of Bell Centre.

[johnnyonthspot]

Oh I’ve been. I was lucky and it was just between mosquito and winter seasons.

We are having a great winter and having a top 5 NHL team helps but you have not lived until you survive mosquito season !

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Matheson will turn 31 in february. He wont be part of this team for years. If he is the rebuild will be a failure. Matheson has maybe 2-3 good years left as a top 4 at most. After that he'll go the way of the Petry i.e. a cap dump if smeone is stupid enough to extend him past that expiration date.

In 2020 when all our fans were ready to keep and extend all our vets for 8 years despite us being 24th in the league I warned them that not every body is Jagr. And i was right. Petry and Gallagher unsurprisingly became cap dump soon after signing their extension. It was very predictablea and not a surprise to anybody who follow the NHL closely.

I'm calling it now if we extend our vets for multiple years it will be a mistake. We are not there yet.

Habs will be a contender within 2 years. Matheson will be part of the early contending team. He may well be around after that in a minor roll if he hasn't faded.

 

[The Real Timo]

I don't think the current D Corps is a contending one. There are some pieces in place that will be part of that core. Every GM in the league would want Xhekaj on their bottom pairing. Hutson of course is Hutson and his upside is elite. Not a top pairing guy but a top 4. Guhle is a top 4. Reinbacher is also a piece that could become integral to the future D Corps. Mailloux and Engstrom are excellent prospects for the future.
Carrier, Matheson and Savard are not part of the future D group that will contend. Maybe Carrier ends up on the 3rd pairing with Xhekaj. Currently the Habs don't have a future #1 Dman unless Reinbacher exceeds expectations

Lol... Matheson and Savard doesn't scream contention to you?! Habs have 3-6 that can be ok. Somewhat. But they don't have 1-2 at all. And I don't think Reinbacher is that either.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Pure Laine]

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So close

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I don't know about other games, but from what I saw, Laine played pretty well today. Although you can see he's not in shape, as a Columbus fan I can compare. But he is a winger, not a center. Dach was beeping the puck, made transition, not him.

I thought he was fairly invisible and loved him on the Jets but he is a power play specialist. A luxury most teams cannot afford to have. I wish the best for him in Montreal. He is an exciting player who just needs to keep his head on straight to help a team.

 

[Tyson]

Lol... Matheson and Savard doesn't scream contention to you?! Habs have 3-6 that can be ok. Somewhat. But they don't have 1-2 at all. And I don't think Reinbacher is that either.

Hard to tell what Reinbacher's upside is.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Missed the game (luckily, it turns out!). How did Montembeault look?

He was average. Didn't make a big save. Didn't let in a stinker.

I don't follow that last sentence. I saw Laine make a lot if plays last night to create scoring chances. Though I also saw him turn the puck over a few times. As usual I saw Newhook turn the puck over a lot.

He didn't do anything last night because we didn't have a PP. He needs time but anytime Laine takes someone on or has the puck on the wall, you can bet your bottom dollar that the puck is going to the other team. He's just not there yet.

Dach is rounding back into form. Newhook is playing better but has no finish. Laine is giving nothing 5 on 5. That's why the 2nd line isn't effective most nights. It's okay, they'll get there.. but people still want to take early season Dach and apply it to his play now to excuse Laine, and it's just not true.

 

[Be a Hab]

I have a feeling they will call up Mailloux

I was wrong. Strubs called up

 

[VT]

I thought he was fairly invisible and loved him on the Jets but he is a power play specialist. A luxury most teams cannot afford to have. I wish the best for him in Montreal. He is an exciting player who just needs to keep his head on straight to help a team.

If you look at the Columbus stats I put in his thread, you'll see that's not true.

When I say he played pretty well, I mean his current state after the injury. If he was fine, had game experience, the evaluation would be different.

 

[morhilane]

Did you read the post I was replying to?

Yeah and? That doesn't really answer my question of which LHD is getting thrown off the team so Engstrom can have a spot. There are 5 of them: Guhle, Matheson, Hutson, Xhekaj and Struble...

 

[26Mats]

He was average. Didn't make a big save. Didn't let in a stinker.



He didn't do anything last night because we didn't have a PP. He needs time but anytime Laine takes someone on or has the puck on the wall, you can bet your bottom dollar that the puck is going to the other team. He's just not there yet.

Dach is rounding back into form. Newhook is playing better but has no finish. Laine is giving nothing 5 on 5. That's why the 2nd line isn't effective most nights. It's okay, they'll get there.. but people still want to take early season Dach and apply it to his play now to excuse Laine, and it's just not true.

I agree about Davh, but not every time Laine gets the puck is it a turnover. Laine did some nice stick handling in tight spaces, including on the boards, to set up his linemates.

I feel Newhook works hard and gets to pucks with his speed, but more often than not when the puck goes to him, it immediately goes to the other team.

Laine last night was still among passes and zone entries like this one:


I'd personally like to see us get another top six forward to play with Laine and Dach, and move Newhook down to the bottom of 6. Next game watch how often Newhook turns it over by not properly receiving a pass or by getting bumped off the puck along the wall.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I agree about Davh, but not every time Laine gets the puck is it a turnover. Laine did some nice stick handling in tight spaces, including on the boards, to set up his linemates.

I feel Newhook works hard and gets to pucks with his speed, but more often than not when the puck goes to him, it immediately goes to the other team.

Laine last night was still among passes and zone entries like this one:


I'd personally like to see us get another top six forward to play with Laine and Dach, and move Newhook down to the bottom of 6. Next game watch how often Newhook turns it over by not properly receiving a pass or by getting bumped off the puck along the wall.

His name is Demidov.

 

[Guy Larose]

First off, sorry to be posting here with my avatar

Second, I'm a bit surprised by how negatively yall saw the game, I only saw the third and understand the second period was a stinker, but thought you guys had a really good final frame against a very good opponent. Hemmed them them in like I haven't seen many teams do to Winnipeg this year and forced like 5 icings inside a few minutes. Creating good looks off it was an issue but there were some good chances off WPG turnovers which is gonna happen when you keep a team in their zone. That bang-bang tripping penalty or whatever it was helped the Jets find their feet again, but otherwise I thought the Habs were on a good track.

I know it's a bit of a random post to make on a opposing team's board but I was surprised to see so many sky is falling reactions in here so I thought I'd throw another perspective out there. À bientôt

That's a Hab fan for you. Negative AF. Win 2 and it's Stanley Cup, lose 2 and it's lets rebuild the rebuild.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

If you look at the Columbus stats I put in his thread, you'll see that's not true.

When I say he played pretty well, I mean his current state after the injury. If he was fine, had game experience, the evaluation would be different.

You do not think he is a pp specialist?
I do not know where you posted the stats but in Winnipeg that is where he excelled. He had 30 goals in 2019-20 and 15 on the pp
The previous year 44 goals with 20 on the pp.
This year he has 10 of his 12 goals are pp goals.

 

[sampollock]

Pulling the goalie with the 4th line and Xhekaj out is quite the decision, but I mean the second line was complete trash and the first line played the whole game. Still don't think we played that bad, just made the same mistake on each of their goals.

so dumb...not sure what the heck MSL was thinking

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Come visit it is not that bad here plus we have a french quarter so to speak.

This is NOT a plus

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You do not think he is a pp specialist?
I do not know where you posted the stats but in Winnipeg that is where he excelled. He had 30 goals in 2019-20 and 15 on the pp
The previous year 44 goals with 20 on the pp.
This year he has 10 of his 12 goals are pp goals.

Yes but the stats show he isn't just a PP specialist He scored as many goals 5 on 5 as on the PP. This year he wasn't 100% so he was far better on the PP.

 

[1909]

The worst thing about that game was not losing against Winnipeg, but losing Guhle for the remainder of the season.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

We started declining as soon as we closed that thread. We warned them too it would cause bad mojo. Don't fix what ain't broke we were playing amazing because that thread was still alive

I don’t understand the logic in closing the thread? Reduce negativity? That responsibility falls on the beholder. If you don’t want to hear what’s in the thread, don’t go in it or ignore it.

It’s effectively censoring people’s ability to freely discuss the team if you aren’t wearing rose coloured glasses or have the pom poms out.

 

[VT]

You do not think he is a pp specialist?
I do not know where you posted the stats but in Winnipeg that is where he excelled. He had 30 goals in 2019-20 and 15 on the pp
The previous year 44 goals with 20 on the pp.
This year he has 10 of his 12 goals are pp goals.

I said about CBJ. And Columbus had bad PP.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I said about CBJ. And Columbus had bad PP.

I get it . I was thinking of him with the Jets.
All good.

Yes but the stats show he isn't just a PP specialist He scored as many goals 5 on 5 as on the PP. This year he wasn't 100% so he was far better on the PP.

He is still a pp specialist to me because in the past he is Scoring almost as many 5 v5 as on the pp along with his ' lazy' play.
It will be interesting to see how he fairs next year with the Habs.

 

[LaP]

So close

Yet so far

I suggest this as the new thread title for JS.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Habs will be a contender within 2 years. Matheson will be part of the early contending team. He may well be around after that in a minor roll if he hasn't faded.

If Matheson is still here in 2 years time we 1-won't be contenders 2-have lesser faith in the present management.

People should stop falling in love with mediocre players.

 

[HabzSauce]

I don’t understand the logic in closing the thread? Reduce negativity? That responsibility falls on the beholder. If you don’t want to hear what’s in the thread, don’t go in it or ignore it.

It’s effectively censoring people’s ability to freely discuss the team if you aren’t wearing rose coloured glasses or have the pom poms out.

Super weird man idk why that thread ruffled so many feathers. Took forever to even get a tank thread despite how awful we were at the start. Can't have nice things I guess.

Anyway when we changing the playoff positivity thread back to tank thread if we keep falling?? Would be absolute BS if that thread stays up in that scenario