Post-Game Talk: Habs lose BIG in Florida. At least they didn't give up 10!

[WeThreeKings]

Agreed. Chicago is doing it wrong, like buffalo before them. Tank Command is a very delicate procedure of maintaining development for youngsters to taste/earn winning all while guaranteeing you are a bottom 5 team, and get a little luck in the lottery.

Habs are doing just fine.

Yep, I don't understand the tanking group that wants to tear anything remotely good off the roster for at best, a ~20% shot at Bedard. We've seen too many times the last place team not winning the lottery to know it isn't a viable strategy.

So let's say the 80% outcome comes true, the Blackhawks don't have Bedard.. they get the 3rd pick and take Leo Carlsson.

The Blackhawks rebuild would be:
Kevin Korchinski
Frank Nazar
Leo Carlsson

Instead of:
Alex Debrincat
Kirby Dach
and let's say they pick up a few more points and are closer to 7-8 so they take Benson.

I'd much rather the second group.

Like imagine if the Habs traded Suzuki, Caufield and didn't win Bedard? it'd be f***ing catastrophic.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Agreed. Chicago is doing it wrong, like buffalo before them. Tank Command is a very delicate procedure of maintaining development for youngsters to taste/earn winning all while guaranteeing you are a bottom 5 team, and get a little luck in the lottery.

Habs are doing just fine.

It’s hard to tell a tanking team they’re doing it wrong until you see the final result years down the road. There’s just as much luck involved as there is smarts when it comes to a rebuild. I personally have no idea what the Blackhawks are up too but maybe there’s a method to the madness.

 

[NORiculous]

Yep, I don't understand the tanking group that wants to tear anything remotely good off the roster for at best, a ~20% shot at Bedard. We've seen too many times the last place team not winning the lottery to know it isn't a viable strategy.

So let's say the 80% outcome comes true, the Blackhawks don't have Bedard.. they get the 3rd pick and take Leo Carlsson.

The Blackhawks rebuild would be:
Kevin Korchinski
Frank Nazar
Leo Carlsson

Instead of:
Alex Debrincat
Kirby Dach
and let's say they pick up a few more points and are closer to 7-8 so they take Benson.

I'd much rather the second group.

Like imagine if the Habs traded Suzuki, Caufield and didn't win Bedard? it'd be f***ing catastrophic.

CHI has Reichel that is tearing up the AHL. They could have kept him in the NHL. He has 34 pts in 29 games in his 2nd year after draft.

EDIT: I don’t think trading Suzuki and Caufield is the way to go but sending Slaf down/ to junior champ was.

 

[WeThreeKings]

CHI has Reichel that is tearing up the AHL. They could have kept him in the NHL. He has 34 pts in 29 games in his 2nd year after draft.

EDIT: I don’t think trading Suzuki and Caufield is the way to go but sending Slaf down/ to junior champ was.

They have their reasons as to why they don't want to do that and it is they don't want to reinforce some of his bad habits. They're trying to navigate his development and keeping himself free from taking big hits with his head down, as we've seen happen in the NHL.

Spending two weeks with his head down against junior players wouldn't have done anything good.

 

[NORiculous]

They have their reasons as to why they don't want to do that and it is they don't want to reinforce some of his bad habits. They're trying to navigate his development and keeping himself free from taking big hits with his head down, as we've seen happen in the NHL.

Spending two weeks with his head down against junior players wouldn't have done anything good.

I think they can navigate the bad habit in the AHL while slowing the game down a bit, which would help him react and not be as much in danger ️ of a bit hit.

It very rare to hear that a guy was kept down for too long. It is fairly frequent to hear he was brought up and rushed.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think they can navigate the bad habit in the AHL while slowing the game down a bit, which would help him react and not be as much in danger ️ of a bit hit.

It very rare to hear that a guy was kept down for too long. It is fairly frequent to hear he was brought up and rushed.

Their dilemma is that they feel it is more likely to happen in the AHL because there are more players willing to go out of position to make a big hit, or head hunt a big prospect like Slafkovsky to put their names on the map vs. the NHL where things are more structured.

They also know they don't have Xhekaj, Edmundson, Anderson etc. down in the AHL to cool things down and police.

There's not an easy answer for this, but we've seen, until the last couple games, some steady progression from him and I thought he had good games in Florida despite the scores and some miscues.

 

[Gillings]

What? They didn't need a 21 year old 6'4" center with a butt load of potential?

They got a 1st for taking Monahan who they will flip.

Getting a 21 year old top 6 C, and getting a 1st and other assets is smart.

Doing what Chicago is doing would mean trading literally Caufield and Suzuki and hoping the lottery balls bounce for you, if they don't, then what?

I much prefer what Hughes is doing than what Chicago is doing.

Not everything Hughes did was bad but I just don’t see us getting the guy we need with what was done. Maybe we get lucky and draft a guy 6th OV or 13 OV or 21st OV who ends up being that guy.

I don’t like Suzuki as captain. I don’t like Slaf usage, the D looks good. Dachs body language is atrocious, he why’s away from blocks a lot and is highly inconsistent.

The forwards are all atrocious at Defence. Minus Suzuki.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Suzuki being in a funk probably doesn't help the overall mood around here.

It's a bit sad that our young captain is showing less energy than the fading Gallagher, who I thought had a good game against Florida. If only Gallagher had the physiology to match his unmatchable competitive will. Fading or not, Gallagher is a true warrior, who should be an inspiration to his younger teammates.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

We replaced Markov with Alzner and its been downhill since

We replaced Pollack with Grundman, and its been downhill since. Two Cups in half a century( both of which we backed into) and none in the last three decades. We have become the Cleveland Browns.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

The Montréal Can'tnadiens

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Sorry if this was already discussed previously in this thread but do we know if Guhle's injury is serious?

 

[Schooner Guy]

They aren’t, we just have better tank commanders. They will be a bottom 10 team when it’s all said and done.

Florida is far better than the Habs. They have better high end players and far more depth. Florida has been underachieving this season and Habs have been overachieving.

Florida might finish bottom 10 (I have my doubts) but I'd be extremely surprised Habs don't finish bottom 5.

 

[The Real Timo]

Any news on Guhle?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Sorry if this was already discussed previously in this thread but do we know if Guhle's injury is serious?

We will have news in the next days. Hope it's not serious long term.

 

[salbutera]

We replaced Markov with Alzner and its been downhill since

That’s incorrect - Alzner was poor pro scouting , but was signed to replace Emelin not Markov. Molson himself stated so on Melnick’s show.

 

[rik schau]

Nailed it!!! lol.
Speaking of regurgitation,what's going on with Shit So-pukey? get it,see what I did there,it ties it all together.lol.
Aah,ain't Tequila grand.lol.

 

[LaP]

That’s incorrect - Alzner was poor pro scouting , but was signed to replace Emelin not Markov. Molson himself stated so on Melnick’s show.

Then Schlemko was Markov's replacement. Not really better. Someone HAD to replace Markov. Them not acquiring someone to replace him did not change that. Someone in the lineup was gonna replace him.

BTW guys if Barkov and Ekblad stay healthy you can forget Florida drafting top 10.

 

[Andy]

It’s funny, 90% of you who said you’d be okay with tanking were clearing deluding yourselves. You were not ready.

 

[LaP]

It’s hard to tell a tanking team they’re doing it wrong until you see the final result years down the road. There’s just as much luck involved as there is smarts when it comes to a rebuild. I personally have no idea what the Blackhawks are up too but maybe there’s a method to the madness.

No sure the Blackhawks are rebuilding. I think they just have an awful management team like us under MB. KH is rebuilding. MB and his henchmen were just failing at their job.

 

[LaP]

It’s funny, 90% of you who said you’d be okay with tanking were clearing deluding yourselves. You were not ready.

I am. I'm perfectly fine with what is happening. I'll watch Ovy pass the great one in the meantime. I'm excited for next draft and i can't wait to see our young players be added to the team slowly over the next 2-3 years.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Yep, I don't understand the tanking group that wants to tear anything remotely good off the roster for at best, a ~20% shot at Bedard. We've seen too many times the last place team not winning the lottery to know it isn't a viable strategy.

'I don't understand why folks want to do the thing I've spent 10+ years on this forum screaming about doing no matter how well the team was doing!!!!!??????!?!?!?!?'

 

[The Real Timo]

Then Schlemko was Markov's replacement. Not really better. Someone HAD to replace Markov. Them not acquiring someone to replace him did not change that. Someone in the lineup was gonna replace him.

BTW guys if Barkov and Ekblad stay healthy you can forget Florida drafting top 10.

Ah yes... the great David Schlemko. I almost forgot about him. Thanks for the reminder. What talent.

 

[LaP]

Yep, I don't understand the tanking group that wants to tear anything remotely good off the roster for at best, a ~20% shot at Bedard. We've seen too many times the last place team not winning the lottery to know it isn't a viable strategy.

So let's say the 80% outcome comes true, the Blackhawks don't have Bedard.. they get the 3rd pick and take Leo Carlsson.

The Blackhawks rebuild would be:
Kevin Korchinski
Frank Nazar
Leo Carlsson

Instead of:
Alex Debrincat
Kirby Dach
and let's say they pick up a few more points and are closer to 7-8 so they take Benson.

I'd much rather the second group.

Like imagine if the Habs traded Suzuki, Caufield and didn't win Bedard? it'd be f***ing catastrophic.

There nothing overly good on the roster over 25 years old. Nothing that can't be replaced. Anderson is grossly overrated around here. I predict he wont age well past 30 and he will be already 29 next spring. Dvorak is a fine 3rd line center but it's very unlikely one of our young players wont be as good as him. Monahan is always injured if he finishes his next contract on LTIR i wont be surprised. Add a bunch of 3rd pairing dmen (at best 4th on a team with an average defense) and that's about it. Nothing that should be untouchable.

 

[The Real Timo]

I am bored. I want Hugo to trade somebody for somebody else. Come on!

 

[ReimanSum1908]

It’s funny, 90% of you who said you’d be okay with tanking were clearing deluding yourselves. You were not ready.

I know; it's really rather strange.

Many of the management decisions, such as clinging onto Anderson, have been detrimental to the process, which is where I level my objections, but I've gotten to the point that I can simply enjoy individual performances and the delayed gratification of having real potential to develop a competitive team.