Pre-Game Talk: Habs @ Leafs - Season Opener

[zeke]

Quality.

 

[Leaf Fans]

whats up with Auston? I thought he was a lock for tomorrow?

Why. The reports were that he was hopeful to start opening night. He will miss at least the first three games.

 

[Leaf Fans]

wsell hell with no Marner and no Matthews thats gonna but a damper on the opener

Marner isn't out. Not yet at least.

 

[Brobust]

Is it a hot take to say that Nick Suzuki would be the 5th best forward on the leafs and that Caulfield is being gifted NHL minutes and has terrible shot selection (something the leafs have kept Nick Robertson in the AHL for)?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Why. The reports were that he was hopeful to start opening night. He will miss at least the first three games.

According to Chris Johnston, there's an outside chance he'll play Saturday.

 

[Leaf Fans]

According to Chris Johnston, there's an outside chance he'll play Saturday.

Well, that is good news. Earlier reports had him missing the first 3.

 

[axman15]

Is it a hot take to say that Nick Suzuki would be the 5th best forward on the leafs and that Caulfield is being gifted NHL minutes and has terrible shot selection (something the leafs have kept Nick Robertson in the AHL for)?

Not at all a hot take IMO. Nylander > Suzuki (for this year, and it's pretty even going forward before factoring in Nylander's better contract), and I've had the exact same thought about Caulfield. Definitely an alright piece, but I don't think he'll be much of a factor this year.

 

[Stephen]

Is it a hot take to say that Nick Suzuki would be the 5th best forward on the leafs and that Caulfield is being gifted NHL minutes and has terrible shot selection (something the leafs have kept Nick Robertson in the AHL for)?

It's a hot take in the sense that we would be happy to have both those guys. Suzuki in particular might not rank all that highly but when the chips are down any team would love to roll out a line with Suzuki on it.

 

[Nylander88]

I think the Marner thing was totally precautionary. He's a star player for this team and they likely wanted to triple check that everything was fine. I'd fully expect that he's playing tomorrow. But that's just my opinion from the video and what I've read.

 

[fahad203]

I think the Marner thing was totally precautionary. He's a star player for this team and they likely wanted to triple check that everything was fine. I'd fully expect that he's playing tomorrow. But that's just my opinion from the video and what I've read.

Just put them both on LTIR and call them up during playoffs

Regardless we should be able to win this game. They still don't have a Tavares or Nylander

On top of that we have a power forward in Simmonds.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Just put them both on LTIR and call them up during playoffs

Regardless we should be able to win this game. They still don't have a Tavares or Nylander

On top of that we have a power forward in Simmonds.

Gabriel should replace Marner

 

[Leaftors]

Marner isn't out. Not yet at least.

This to me means he’s playing

 

[fahad203]

Gabriel should replace Marner

That's exactly who I was thinking off

It's amazing in 3 years we lost so much depth
Going from Kadri Kapanen Marleau AJ JVR Hyman

However bad they are, they all scored 20+ goals for the Leafs

Nobody but JT and Nylander on current leafs has had scored 20 on any teams in last 5 years

Kase did it 6 years ago?

 

[kb]

That's exactly who I was thinking off

It's amazing in 3 years we lost so much depth
Going from Kadri Kapanen Marleau AJ JVR Hyman

However bad they are, they all scored 20+ goals for the Leafs

Nobody but JT and Nylander on current leafs has had scored 20 on any teams in last 5 years

Kase did it 6 years ago?

lol

 

[danny90]

I honestly think it is still a pretty good roster, but I am also pretty high on Kase and Bunting, but ya, any team that loses their two best players would probably at best be a middle of the pack team.

Edmonton without McDavid/Drai
Tampa without Kucherov/Hedman
Colorado without MacKinnon/Makar
Florida without Barkov/Huberdeau
Boston without Marchand/Pastrnak

Leafs have really good depth

Edmonton without mcdavid and Drai would be last place team I’m fairly confident

 

[fahad203]

lol

You beg to differ ? Not counting Auston and Mitch as they are injured

 

[fahad203]

Edmonton without mcdavid and Drai would be last place team I’m fairly confident

Yes Edmonton would others wouldn't

Some of those teams have solid goaltending. Tier 1 even. They'll pull them through

We have tier 2 goalies. Not the same

 

[egd27]

Now I don’t wante come a cross as a cry baby, but ffs, why each year?!!! WTF!

Because no other Canadian team has to share their arena with another franchise that needs 42 dates as well.

 

[Martin Skoula]

That's exactly who I was thinking off

It's amazing in 3 years we lost so much depth
Going from Kadri Kapanen Marleau AJ JVR Hyman

However bad they are, they all scored 20+ goals for the Leafs

Nobody but JT and Nylander on current leafs has had scored 20 on any teams in last 5 years

Kase did it 6 years ago?

That "depth" has a 30 million dollar combined cap hit (23.6 not counting Marleau). They combined for 59 goals between 5 players (used Johnsson's 2019-20 year).

Ritchie, Spezza, Bunting, Mikheyev, and Engvall combined for 49 goals in less games at a grand total of 7.1 million. This is also with our list of players getting bottom-6 time while Kapanen, Kadri, and JVR all get top PP usage and linemates that aren't 3rd/4th liners.

For context, those 5 "depth" forwards cost more than Anaheim, Ottawa (even with Brady signed at 8x8), Detroit's entire forward roster. Tampa's top 6 most expensive forwards combined clock in at just under 40 mil, their entire cup-winning top-6 minus Kucherov makes basically the same money as your "depth". If you count Coleman and Goodrow last year instead of Killorn and Palat it's even worse.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

That's exactly who I was thinking off

It's amazing in 3 years we lost so much depth
Going from Kadri Kapanen Marleau AJ JVR Hyman

However bad they are, they all scored 20+ goals for the Leafs

Nobody but JT and Nylander on current leafs has had scored 20 on any teams in last 5 years

Kase did it 6 years ago?

Am I correct in assuming this post is some type of satire? I'd assume so considering you can't even get the current 20 goal scorers on the Leafs correct.

 

[fahad203]

Am I correct in assuming this post is some type of satire? I'd assume so considering you can't even get the current 20 goal scorers on the Leafs correct.

Current leafs without Mattews and Marner only have Tavares and Nylander

Am I wrong here?

 

[fahad203]

That "depth" has a 30 million dollar combined cap hit (23.6 not counting Marleau). They combined for 59 goals between 5 players (used Johnsson's 2019-20 year).

Ritchie, Spezza, Bunting, Mikheyev, and Engvall combined for 49 goals in less games at a grand total of 7.1 million. This is also with our list of players getting bottom-6 time while Kapanen, Kadri, and JVR all get top PP usage and linemates that aren't 3rd/4th liners.

For context, those 5 "depth" forwards cost more than Anaheim, Ottawa (even with Brady signed at 8x8), Detroit's entire forward roster. Tampa's top 6 most expensive forwards combined clock in at just under 40 mil, their entire cup-winning top-6 minus Kucherov makes basically the same money as your "depth". If you count Coleman and Goodrow last year instead of Killorn and Palat it's even worse.

What year are you counting

2018. Marleau had 20 goals, kadri 16, AJ 20, Kapanen 20, Hyman 21

You don't consider assists as an strength. None of those you mention are a real threat to score

Kadri and Kapanen have game breaking ability

Kapanen has had proven over and over again he can come through clutch. Mikaheyev has proven he will choke. He had the game on his stick against the Habs

 

[bansheebeat]

20 goals or no, I wouldn't trade Spezza for most of those guys.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Current leafs without Mattews and Marner only have Tavares and Nylander

Am I wrong here?

Yes, you're missing Reilly and Kase. So you're wrong.

Matthews and Marner are also current Leafs, so once again, also wrong. This is a habit for you, isn't it?

 

[Martin Skoula]

What year are you counting

2018. Marleau had 20 goals, kadri 16, AJ 20, Kapanen 20, Hyman 21

You don't consider assists as an strength. None of those you mention are a real threat to score

Kadri and Kapanen have game breaking ability

Kapanen has had proven over and over again he can come through clutch. Mikaheyev has proven he will choke. He had the game on his stick against the Habs

I compared their last season played. I don't care what Kadri and AJ got in 2018, you're paying them for their production today. Nobody spends 30 million dollars on depth, that's an insane suggestion.

Spezza had one less goal last season than Kadri in 2 less games with 4th line minutes and 100 minutes less of PP time. At ES Spezza scored 9+16 in 480 minutes, Kadri scored 8+13 in 750 minutes. By the way, Kadri's most common linemates were Saad, Burakovsky, Nichushkin, and Donskoi, as well as time with Landeskog/Rantanen. Spezza's most common linemates were Boyd, Petan, Engvall, Barabanov, and Vesey.

What game is Kadri breaking in 2022? Are you talking about him breaking his PS5 when he goes mental maybe?

Here's Kadri in the only game 7 he hasn't been suspended for. See if you can spot his clutch plays watching Kirivanta drop a hat trick on him in a game 7, he had front row seats for two of them and did nothing to stop it. I like the OT goal the most, instead of watching his man he's standing still on top of his own teammate with his back to the shooter.