Post-Game Talk: Habs defeat les Sénateurs d'Ottawa

[Kobe Armstrong]

I’m sorry you’re right. I wasn’t trying to get the wrong attention my initial post garnered. Wasn’t meant to be a shit post. Just an observation of what could’ve been

If you really wanna get the people going just mention how much better off we would be with PLD instead of Dach

 

[The Great Weal]

You saw on that PP with Suzuki was he's still able to do. And then you compare him to Roy or Beck on that 2nd line and as below average you think he looks, he's still FAR away ahead. Needless to say Jake and Joel have cooled down too. You give Heineman to Newhook and you give him that forecheck role. I swear he'll do much better.

That PP goal was all Gallagher. Roy made more offensive plays in yesterday's game alone than Heineman has in the past few games combined. I don't think that line needs a crazy forechecker, they need a more skilled guy.

 

[Miller Time]

1)Im stating the obvious. We sabotaged ourselves for a good portion of the season by forcing a square into a triangular hole.
Dach is a mid player and management should’ve acknowledged this earlier instead of waiting for that waste of ice time to go down naturally.

Yup... That stretch from mid Nov to late January was just a mirage, none of those wins count because "mid" Dach was in the lineup, right

2) I have no idea what point you’re trying to make on my goaltending point. The team rallied yes, but big picture is. We can’t let those kind of goals continue to go in if we are serious about A) playoffs and B) a run.
I made that comment not as criticism, but as an observation on what we need to continue to have success.

It was a bad take.

Stop hating on people that were right about Dach being trash. We are all on the same side here.

Stop posting garbage takes that are easily disproven, or get comfortable when garbage posts get called out as such...

 

[OldCraig71]

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Marty looks like he's holding a deuce real hard.

 

[Miller Time]

All used from liquidated or converted assets . + the failing season from Berg.

Marc was a lot of things, but he never tanked this franchise

Cap limit team dead last in the standings with a mid prospect pool after one of the worst multi season stretches in franchise history is about as "tanked" as a GM can drive a franchise...

How quickly some forget

 

[LaP]

Marty looks like he's holding a deuce real hard.

Maybe he was i mean would you go to the bathroom at this time if you were the coach?

 

[Theodore450]

What are you trying to say? Because it reads like:

Hughes made moves as a result of Marc tanking this franchise.

Marc never tanked this franchise.

More like Marc was a hoarder with no vision that never made moves that could cripple a franchise.
Hughes turned a lot of players into assets. We didn’t pay to remove anything. Tanking a franchise is like Buffalo , Arizona or Vancouver of past.

Hughes is a much better gm and full credit to him. I was just playing off the joke that this playoff run would be Marcs last gift.
This team is 100% of Hughes. Don’t get it twisted .

 

[Andy]

That playoffs run is the last gift from Bergevin lol

Theres nothing reallyfrom Hughes and Gorton in there

Slaf
Matheson
Carrier
Heineman
Hutson
Laine
Newhook

 

[Andy]

All used from liquidated or converted assets . + the failing season from Berg.

Marc was a lot of things, but he never tanked this franchise

MB had like 50% of the salary cap locked in on Drouin, Hoffman, Chiarot, Armia, Gallagher, Anderson, Petry, Dvorak, Savard, Byron, Edmundson, and Alzner buyout. And I am being kind by not including Price and Weber's anchors as well. It's like the most atrocious cap management I have ever seen. Multiple 4-5 million contracts on tweeners and bottom pairing D men.

I mean, it took like 3 seasons to shed half those contracts, and they still have the other half on the club.

The habs had 0 offensive depth outside Cole and Nick. Slaf, Laine, Dach, Monahan, Newhook are all the top 6 attempts in the HuGo era because MB had squat in under 25 forward talent. We're 4 years removed from MB and not a single f***ing forward prospect outside Nick and Cole from his area are able to crack a spot in the top 6.

Marc has the special honor of tanking the franchise while trying to go for it....AND while not paying assets to make the team better. I'll never forget the year he let the entire left D walk (Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu) and replaced them with Alzner, Streit, and Schlemko. WTF.

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

I’m sorry you’re right. I wasn’t trying to get the wrong attention my initial post garnered. Wasn’t meant to be a shit post. Just an observation of what could’ve been

And that ladies and gentleman is how a mature adult answers a post!! Bravo

 

[Theodore450]

MB had like 50% of the salary cap locked in on Drouin, Hoffman, Chiarot, Armia, Gallagher, Anderson, Petry, Dvorak, Savard, Byron, Edmundson, and Alzner buyout. And I am being kind by not including Price and Weber's anchors as well. It's like the most atrocious cap management I have ever seen. Multiple 4-5 million contracts on tweeners and bottom pairing D men.

I mean, it took like 3 seasons to shed half those contracts, and they still have the other half on the club.

The habs had 0 offensive depth outside Cole and Nick. Slaf, Laine, Dach, Monahan, Newhook are all the top 6 attempts in the HuGo era because MB had squat in under 25 forward talent. We're 4 years removed from MB and not a single f***ing forward prospect outside Nick and Cole from his area are able to crack a spot in the top 6.

Marc has the special honor of tanking the franchise while trying to go for it....AND while not paying assets to make the team better. I'll never forget the year he let the entire left D walk (Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu) and replaced them with Alzner, Streit, and Schlemko. WTF.

You’re not wrong.
I think our definition of tanked is different.
Collectively a lot of cap space.
But nothing long term and awful except Gallagher.
Some of those where even flipped for assets .

 

[donghabs98]

MB had like 50% of the salary cap locked in on Drouin, Hoffman, Chiarot, Armia, Gallagher, Anderson, Petry, Dvorak, Savard, Byron, Edmundson, and Alzner buyout. And I am being kind by not including Price and Weber's anchors as well. It's like the most atrocious cap management I have ever seen. Multiple 4-5 million contracts on tweeners and bottom pairing D men.

I mean, it took like 3 seasons to shed half those contracts, and they still have the other half on the club.

The habs had 0 offensive depth outside Cole and Nick. Slaf, Laine, Dach, Monahan, Newhook are all the top 6 attempts in the HuGo era because MB had squat in under 25 forward talent. We're 4 years removed from MB and not a single f***ing forward prospect outside Nick and Cole from his area are able to crack a spot in the top 6.

Marc has the special honor of tanking the franchise while trying to go for it....AND while not paying assets to make the team better. I'll never forget the year he let the entire left D walk (Markov, Emelin, Beaulieu) and replaced them with Alzner, Streit, and Schlemko. WTF.

I still maintain that 2017 offseason was one of the worst I've seen from a Habs GM and should have gotten him fired. He didn't try hard enough till it was too late to resign Radulov, lost Markov and traded our top prospect (who could have replaced Markov's spot) for a winger who he decided could become our top line centre. To replace Radulov, Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu, he brought him Hemsky, Alzner, Streit and Schlemko. It was nonsensical then and it is worse when you look back at it

 

[Habssince89]

What are you trying to say? Because it reads like:

Hughes made moves as a result of Marc tanking this franchise.

Marc never tanked this franchise.

He severely undermined prices prime and his stupid f***ing ego and stinginess ruined our window

 

[BLONG7]

I still maintain that 2017 offseason was one of the worst I've seen from a Habs GM and should have gotten him fired. He didn't try hard enough till it was too late to resign Radulov, lost Markov and traded our top prospect (who could have replaced Markov's spot) for a winger who he decided could become our top line centre. To replace Radulov, Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu, he brought him Hemsky, Alzner, Streit and Schlemko. It was nonsensical then and it is worse when you look back at it

Absolutely agreed.............this was The TSN Turning Point..........Bergevin the clown had arrived that summer.
The more time went on, we knew he was not the guy.

 

[Captain Mountain]

More like Marc was a hoarder with no vision that never made moves that could cripple a franchise.
Hughes turned a lot of players into assets. We didn’t pay to remove anything. Tanking a franchise is like Buffalo , Arizona or Vancouver of past.

Hughes is a much better gm and full credit to him. I was just playing off the joke that this playoff run would be Marcs last gift.
This team is 100% of Hughes. Don’t get it twisted .

Montreal was literally dead last when he was fired with the highest payroll in the NHL. That was actually a good thing because Montreal would have owed Arizona their 1st if they didn't pick in the top 10 as a result of the Dvorak trade. And while Montreal had decent pick and prospect depth, there was precious little to build around.

Don't mistake Bergevin's hoarding tendencies to not crippling the franchise, there have rarely been worse situations for a GM to step into. Part of the reason Montreal committed to rebuild (not a tear down rebuild, but a rebuild nonetheless) is the alternative was to pay to remove pieces. Buffalo, Arizona and Vancouver of the past were in better situations, they've just been mismanaged (and in the case of Arizona, lacked the ability to spend).

I'm willing to be generous for Bergevin's overall tenure, but he 100% tanked the franchise. Its just that in the long run it may prove to be beneficial (in the same way that other franchises have benefited from being tanked to force a top down rebuild).

You’re not wrong.
I think our definition of tanked is different.
Collectively a lot of cap space.
But nothing long term and awful except Gallagher.
Some of those where even flipped for assets .

Define "long term" and "awful", because at that time a lot of the awful contracts on the books when he was fired were almost universally considered long term and awful relative to the rest of the league. Not, like, top-5 worst, but pretty terrible.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I still maintain that 2017 offseason was one of the worst I've seen from a Habs GM and should have gotten him fired. He didn't try hard enough till it was too late to resign Radulov, lost Markov and traded our top prospect (who could have replaced Markov's spot) for a winger who he decided could become our top line centre. To replace Radulov, Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu, he brought him Hemsky, Alzner, Streit and Schlemko. It was nonsensical then and it is worse when you look back at it

Playing hardball with two of your best players was as dumb as it got. To the point one signed with another team and the other left the league altogether.

Man it feels good we don't have to go through that type of insanity anymore. It's not to say everything HuGo touch is gold. But I'm confident we won't be going through that type of circus.

 

[EveryDay]

That PP goal was all Gallagher. Roy made more offensive plays in yesterday's game alone than Heineman has in the past few games combined. I don't think that line needs a crazy forechecker, they need a more skilled guy.

I disagree, Roy is a floater and doesn't create anything 5 on 5.

Heineman is not playing well right now but at least he's not floating.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Pinto's skate went to both ankles, I thought Andy's left achilles was done. Close call

He was wearing cut resistant socks. He should have been cut on that play, as Pinto's skate came across his ankle and even dug in a little.

Apparently, it was his first game wearing them. Thank gawd that would have been an awful injury.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Playing hardball with two of your best players was as dumb as it got. To the point one signed with another team and the other left the league altogether.

Man it feels good we don't have to go through that type of insanity anymore. It's not to say everything HuGo touch is gold. But I'm confident we won't be going through that type of circus.

...letting Markov walk was absolutely devastating to this team...that man should have played his 1000th game a Hab, retired a Hab, and his jersey shold be in the Rafters...

 

[No More Subban]

I still maintain that 2017 offseason was one of the worst I've seen from a Habs GM and should have gotten him fired. He didn't try hard enough till it was too late to resign Radulov, lost Markov and traded our top prospect (who could have replaced Markov's spot) for a winger who he decided could become our top line centre. To replace Radulov, Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu, he brought him Hemsky, Alzner, Streit and Schlemko. It was nonsensical then and it is worse when you look back at it

We didn't even get a chance to see Subban and Radulov play together.. sigh.

 

[The Great Weal]

I disagree, Roy is a floater and doesn't create anything 5 on 5.

Heineman is not playing well right now but at least he's not floating.

I mean last game he did create chances 5 on 5, to say otherwise is just flat out untrue.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I didn't notice but was last nights game good enough for Dvorak to crack a smile? I still haven't seen an in-game smile from this guy lol.

I saw a smirk.

 

[donghabs98]

He was wearing cut resistant socks. He should have been cut on that play, as Pinto's skate came across his ankle and even dug in a little.

Apparently, it was his first game wearing them. Thank gawd that would have been an awful injury.

It's nuts that A) not more players are wearing them and B) they aren't mandated. If you have a chance to avoid a major injury with something minor, why not just do it?

 

[donghabs98]

Playing hardball with two of your best players was as dumb as it got. To the point one signed with another team and the other left the league altogether.

Man it feels good we don't have to go through that type of insanity anymore. It's not to say everything HuGo touch is gold. But I'm confident we won't be going through that type of circus.

What was odd too was despite playing hard ball with Markov and Radulov, he then had no issue overpaying for Alzner.

When looking at the players Bergy signed (and their corresponding contracts) versus the players Bergy reportedly played hard ball with (Subban, Radulov and Markov), it's clear Bergy didn't put the same value in rewarding offensive talent compared to more grinding, two way players.

 

[JianYang]

I think both the team and Gally would benefit of occasional healthy scratch during back to backs.

Might as well empty the tanks. The habs can't afford resting guys anyways because things are too tight.

Just making it to the post season would be a resounding success story in itself. They don't need to worry about passing the endurance test that is the playoffs because they are not nearly good enough to seriously compete for the prize yet, regardless.

What we have been seeing since late December is our playoffs.