Proposal: Habs and Detroit/Buffalo

[Bouboumaster]

Weird thread; i dont think Buff and Det's plan is to beat down florida; it is to make their team better to make the playoffs. They dont care who is in or not otherwise.

I am also not sure that the plan is to tank for Bedard (or a top 5 pick even). Of course, when it comes to the draft, every team hopes for hte best ranking possible. However, the Habs are both young AND competing for a playoff spot. Will they make it? Doubt it, but i am starting to wonder which is faster for a rebuild; a team that tanks for multiple years, or one that tanks one year and quickly installs a winning culture in its youth?

The habs play every game as if they can win it - let the younger talent grow and tack themselves on in that environment and things will get progessively better year after year.

Florida isn't making in the playoffs if Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Buffalo and Florida are making it.
That's the point of this thread: insuring Florida is going down by making two teams better.

Habs are borderline right now but they had an easy schedule right up until now, the team is hurt af too...
Missing the playoffs by a couple of points is IMO, the single worst thing that can happen to this Habs edition and we should prevent it, either by getting in the playoffs (won't happen) or being terrible and draft Hugh (2nd best option and what we should go for)

 

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[Bouboumaster]

None of these pieces fill a need for Detroit who isn't looking to trade futures for rentals or wingers. We also have plenty of cap space.

Detroit isn't that much better than the Habs this year, if the Red Wings didn't need anything, they wouldn't be that borderline.
For sure they can improve, and we might have pieces to help you with that

 

[dasaybz]

Well good on you

Still prove the point that Buffalo is a couple of injuries away of straight up sucking

Having better depth could hep Buffalo avoid that

We aren't fast forwarding any rebuild. Just stop.

 

[ThankGord]

Detroit isn't that much better than the Habs this year, if the Red Wings didn't need anything, they wouldn't be that borderline.
For sure they can improve, and we might have pieces to help you with that

Didn't say we were a complete team without needs. The players offered don't improve our team though.

 

[Bouboumaster]

We aren't fast forwarding any rebuild. Just stop.

We're not talking about rebuilding here; we're talking about short term help for playoffs times.
Because at the end of the day, the goal is to win

No, you stop.
If you don't like this thread, move along.

Didn't say we were a complete team without needs. The players offered don't improve our team though.

It most def help tho

 

[ThankGord]

It most def help tho

Wings are trying to build for long-term success. Trading picks or prospects for overpaid wingers (arguably our strongest position when not injured) or rentals is short-sighted and hurts us in the future.

We don't need to hit the playoffs this year, we need to develop young players, continue to draft well and keep building

 

[lilidk]

If you keep those untouchables and add some value , team could be very good, just couple years ago you went to finals . Don't do anything stupid

 

[Gaud]

Florida isn't making in the playoffs if Tampa, Boston, Toronto, Buffalo and Florida are making it.
That's the point of this thread: insuring Florida is going down by making two teams better.

Habs are borderline right now but they had an easy schedule right up until now, the team is hurt af too...
Missing the playoffs by a couple of points is IMO, the single worst thing that can happen to this Habs edition and we should prevent it, either by getting in the playoffs (won't happen) or being terrible and draft Hugh (2nd best option and what we should go for)

I am guessing the second Florida shouldnt be there, and that it should be Detroit.

What i am saying from your original point is that those two teams don't have "beat Florida down" as a goal specifically (it being "make the playoffs") and that those two teams wouldnt limit themselves to the habs to do this anyways. Neither would the habs limit themselves to those two teams, especially as they are rivals for a playoff spot.

We agree that the habs are probaly not going to make the playoffs, which is why you mention tanking, which i get. However, I am not sure i draw the same conclusion; though we would get more talent at the draft, it may come at the cost of the positive attitudes people have in the team right now. They play every game like if they could win. They play like they legit think they can make the playoffs. This culture is hard to build and harder to maintain, so it may be worthwhile to maintain it and have the new bodies that attach themselves to the team later grow in that environment. In practical terms, how well would a young player do in a first game with the bruins, where the culture is strong? What if you put that same player in Arizona instead?

 

[norrisnick]

Detroit isn't that much better than the Habs this year, if the Red Wings didn't need anything, they wouldn't be that borderline.
For sure they can improve, and we might have pieces to help you with that

Well, currently hurt or otherwise indisposed are Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Fabbri. How many 1st liners you got kicking around?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Wings are trying to build for long-term success. Trading picks or prospects for overpaid wingers (arguably our strongest position when not injured) or rentals is short-sighted and hurts us in the future.

We don't need to hit the playoffs this year, we need to develop young players, continue to draft well and keep building

You either make the playoffs and try to win it all, or you suck ass and try to get the best draft possible IMO


Coasting in the playoffs ain't a good strategy

 

[ThankGord]

You either make the playoffs and try to win it all, or you suck ass and try to get the best draft possible IMO


Coasting in the playoffs ain't a good strategy

You don't go from the lottery to the playoffs without a little growth in between.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

You either make the playoffs and try to win it all, or you suck ass and try to get the best draft possible IMO


Coasting in the playoffs ain't a good strategy

Ah the old tank for McDavid
If you reach for the star, you might not get it

 

[Bouboumaster]

I am guessing the second Florida shouldnt be there, and that it should be Detroit.

What i am saying from your original point is that those two teams don't have "beat Florida down" as a goal specifically (it being "make the playoffs") and that those two teams wouldnt limit themselves to the habs to do this anyways. Neither would the habs limit themselves to those two teams, especially as they are rivals for a playoff spot.

We agree that the habs are probaly not going to make the playoffs, which is why you mention tanking, which i get. However, I am not sure i draw the same conclusion; though we would get more talent at the draft, it may come at the cost of the positive attitudes people have in the team right now. They play every game like if they could win. They play like they legit think they can make the playoffs. This culture is hard to build and harder to maintain, so it may be worthwhile to maintain it and have the new bodies that attach themselves to the team later grow in that environment. In practical terms, how well would a young player do in a first game with the bruins, where the culture is strong? What if you put that same player in Arizona instead?

Obviously Detroit, Buffalo and Montréal can deal elsewhere too. What I'm saying is that we have a common goal and should help each other to achieve it (especially since our objectives aren't related - making the playoffs vs not making them as hard as possible)

We're not going in anyway, so at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. What's matter is that the team is better next year and sucking hard right now can help us à lot with that

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

There's something to be done here

I'd take him for Buffalo if the price is right. Buffalo's obviously not giving thier first up. Only thing I don't like is one year left on his contract. Be nice if he had another year.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Well, currently hurt or otherwise indisposed are Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Fabbri. How many 1st liners you got kicking around?

We don't have any 1st Line to sell, but we have good depth players tho, if people are going down later

You don't go from the lottery to the playoffs without a little growth in between.

Habs are already borderline, we juste need a bit of help. A top 3 players at the draft this year would be it

Ah the old tank for McDavid
If you reach for the star, you might not get it

I'm ok with anyone on the top 3

 

[Bouboumaster]

I'd take him for Buffalo if the price is right. Buffalo's obviously not giving thier first up. Only thing I don't like is one year left on his contract. Be nice if he had another year.

I'd usually ask for a 1st for Edmunson but I'd accept less from either Buffalo and Detroit to make it happen

 

[AvroArrow]

Habs are the ones adding to move those guys, not the other teams. "We'll give you a bunch of cap dumps, you give us your 1st"

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Buffalo will give you Mitts and a 3rd for Dach

 

[Bouboumaster]

Habs are the ones adding to move those guys, not the other teams. "We'll give you a bunch of cap dumps, you give us your 1st"

Wtf are you talking about?

This thread is about trading ok/good players to make Buffalo/Detroit better.
Habs doesn't need to trade cap sympa, we need them for the tank

You came in that thread just to shit on the Habs and didn't care about anything else.

Buffalo will give you Mitts and a 3rd for Dach

We need to keep Dach, he's part of our future

 

[Lockin17]

Could Allen interest Buffalo ?

 

[NewEraGM]

Sabres had D injuries with 3 of their top 5 out with injuries during an 0-8-0 streak. Evrn now they are still playing missing 2=of their top 5.

outside of that losing streak they are 13-6-2

buffalo doesn’t need your misfit toys.

Outside of the habs losses, the habs are undefeated!!

Your logic sucks! That 8 game losing streak was done by them so it counts. You can’t say if we didn’t have that, we would be far better. Guess what…every team would be better

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

The plan is for the Habs to tank, and to kamikaze themselves and bring Florida down with them (nothing against you Florida, but we have that sweet, sweet 2023 1st of yours, and we need Connor Bedard)

The best way to achieve that, is to arm those who can bring Florida down and keep them down


Won't be traded: Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Guhle, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky, Mesar, Beck, Hutson (we need them for the rebuild), Gallagher (because you don't want him anyway, his contract isn't worth talk about)

Every one else is on the table.

We can retain up to 50% of salaries on Drouin, Hoffman, Dadonov and Monahan, if needed.

We can pick up your garbage contracts of 1 year too, if you need cap space

What can we do to help you pummel Florida out of the playoffs?

Detroit and Buffalo? I see what you did here.

 

[ole ole]

Detroit needs centers. I mean Suzuki is what they really need. If he’s off the table I really can’t see Detroit wanting to pay for anything you’d part with.

Didn't realize you were interested in trading Larkin.

inb4 delusional habs fan asks for 1st + prospect for Edmundson and Matheson...

also inb4 those delusional habs fans replies with "We were right about chiarot..."

In before some delusional Hab trolls replies both together might get us a 3rd rd pick