Would probably be more convoluted conditions on the 25 pick, such as top 12 protected, with the potential to transfer into either the florida pick, or the 2026 1stLooking for another pick in this draft (8-13 range). Any interest?
Would probably be more convoluted conditions on the 25 pick, such as top 12 protected, with the potential to transfer into either the florida pick, or the 2026 1st
I get your idea here...just don't see a team that would do this. You're basically asking someone to push their current 8-13 overall selection this year to get an 8-13 overall selection next year. That pushes a team back a whole year in their rebuild/development for only a late 1st in a weaker 1st round.
nobody will do that...it makes zero sense
I never commented on next year being weaker. This year is weaker, especially around the 26th pick which you are using to entice a team to shoot their pick back a whole year. Maybe at 8 overall next year there is a guy who is better than 8 overall this year, but most teams would rather have their guy sooner. Look at NJD for example in the 10 spot, or BUF at 11, ideally they're in the playoffs next year, so that late 1st really does nothing for them. They'd much rather draft someone this year who would be 1 year closer to joining their team.Depends on a team's direction and their rebuild strategy. Yes, it's pushing this years pick into next year but getting an extra pick later in this draft (26th). This is not just some small add.
You don't know if it's "weaker" next year. I've seen fans focus on this over and over again and it's just wrong. You go look at the movement that happened in this draft from Sept-April. The draft year plays a huge factor in what is deep and what is not deep. I still can't believe how some fans have not clued into this yet.
I never commented on next year being weaker. This year is weaker, especially around the 26th pick which you are using to entice a team to shoot their pick back a whole year. Maybe at 8 overall next year there is a guy who is better than 8 overall this year, but most teams would rather have their guy sooner. Look at NJD for example in the 10 spot, or BUF at 11, ideally they're in the playoffs next year, so that late 1st really does nothing for them. They'd much rather draft someone this year who would be 1 year closer to joining their team.
There's also the slight chance Montreal does make the playoffs/just miss and drafts in the 15-20 range next year. Why would another team risk that for just 26th overall?
A) You started this thread and asked for interest, I have given you reasons as to why teams wouldn't have interest. And even used examples like NJD and BUF. Yes I am a Sharks fan, but have not commented from a sharks perspective. You are asking for a team in that 8-13 range, but I wouldn't even do it for the 14th pick....so good luck then.Sorry, I don't believe in weak drafts before the draft is done. I've seen many drafts that were considered deep that ended up meh and vice versa. I don't buy this narrative one bit. Every teams draft board is different.
You think the Habs have a chance at making the playoffs next year? I don't. I expect some movement up but not sure how much.
No problem. You as a Sharks fan don't like the idea. It's OK but it's not a terrible dangle for the Habs to make. Probably the best one yet for us to get another dart from 8-13 range. OH, BTW, Sharks have the 14th pick. I'm looking for a pick from 8-13 so even if you said yes, it's declined.
A) You started this thread and asked for interest, I have given you reasons as to why teams wouldn't have interest. And even used examples like NJD and BUF. Yes I am a Sharks fan, but have not commented from a sharks perspective. You are asking for a team in that 8-13 range, but I wouldn't even do it for the 14th pick....so good luck then.
B) No I don't think the Habs make the playoffs next year. They're in a very difficult division and that alone gives them a tough road. As I did say though, "there is a slight chance Montreal makes the playoffs/just misses", which would make this trade look even worse for the team accepting it. Not saying they're going to be a cup contender, but even you said you expect them to improve, and if they can improve more than you expect, they could be drafting 15-20.
C) This is not the first thread where...again you started....and then have debated criticism/reasons as to why your value is off. I am just trying to give reason as to why I don't think the value is there for the other team to consider.
which risk?Sharks have the 14th pick. Even if you said yes, we say no. Habs are taking a small risk with this idea but most will not see it that way.
I understand the probability. Most things we talk about on these boards have low % of actually happening.
The habs get a guaranteed 8-13 overall pick while another team waits a year or two for the same (or worse) pick....but don't worry atleast you get 26th overall this year!which risk?
title states lottery protected mtl 25 first. if it lands in the lottery (as expected), it would be an unprotected 2026 first and the 26th pick this year. so best case is the 17th oa in 25 plus the winnipeg pick or waiting two drafts.
which risk?
title states lottery protected mtl 25 first. if it lands in the lottery (as expected), it would be an unprotected 2026 first and the 26th pick this year. so best case is the 17th oa in 25 plus the winnipeg pick or waiting two drafts.
End thread. This sums it up perfectly. You need 2 picks in the same draft to move up not a chance to get a similar pick.The habs get a guaranteed 8-13 overall pick while another team waits a year or two for the same (or worse) pick....but don't worry atleast you get 26th overall this year!
all team's first round pick, which finished between 17th and 32nd participate in the lottery. if the blues won the lottery this year they would have drafted 6th oa.I think lottery protected means top 2-3 protected.
But it’s not that simple. The Montreal pick next year could be anything so OP is expecting a team to give up a high pick for an unknown pick and also wants conditions on the Montreal pick which leaves little incentive for the team trading away a pick in the 8-13 range. There has to be more of an upside gamble for the team trading that pick.I guess the question is:
What is a Habs 2025 1st (~8-15OA) and Jet's 2024 1st (~26th OA) worth in this year's draft?
The upside is you get 2 x 1st round picks. One of them is defined. The other is not defined, but based on the stage of the Habs rebuild, its a good gamble given that that pick could be 5OA to 15OA. Habs are unlikely to make the playoffs next year. Worst case scenario, the team gets 2 x late 1st round picks. But the chances of that happening are remote.But it’s not that simple. The Montreal pick next year could be anything so OP is expecting a team to give up a high pick for an unknown pick and also wants conditions on the Montreal pick which leaves little incentive for the team trading away a pick in the 8-13 range. There has to be more of an upside gamble for the team trading that pick.
You want someone to give you their high pick snf maybe get a pick there next year?Flames 1st is connected to the Panthers pick yes. That could be in the mix vs the Habs pick.
I'm comfortable with offering either but with the Habs pick, it has to have lottery protection. I am personally am OK with not doing top 10 or top 12 protected. You got to dangle something for the teams in the 8-13 range to do it. Most would agree the Habs pick next year will be in the 8-15 range. We are going to move up slightly but no playoffs.
Could end up being
* 8-15th OA in 2025
* 26th OA in 2024
for
* 8-13 OA in 2024.
I'm OK with being a bit aggressive to get a 2nd dart in this draft. That would put the range from the guys we take in this draft to Suzuki at 7 years.
which risk?
title states lottery protected mtl 25 first. if it lands in the lottery (as expected), it would be an unprotected 2026 first and the 26th pick this year. so best case is the 17th oa in 25 plus the winnipeg pick or waiting two drafts.
You want someone to give you their high pick snf maybe get a pick there next year?
Nobody is taking that. Thrn you throe in these other confirm th ionsls.
Nobody is that dumb
A team like Buffalo who does not necessarily need to add high end prospects at this point I could see having some interest. I feel like they might shop that pick for immediate help anyways and it might be easier to fill holes with multiple 1sts instead of a higher oneI get your idea here...just don't see a team that would do this. You're basically asking someone to push their current 8-13 overall selection this year to get an 8-13 overall selection next year. That pushes a team back a whole year in their rebuild/development for only a late 1st in a weaker 1st round.