Confirmed with Link: Guentzel's rights traded to Tampa for 25 3rd

[spockBokk]

Yea if you tell a team what you want and they agree then you don't sign it's a rather douche move.

Why is it douche-y?

He’s earned the right to go where he wants. The Canes had plenty of time to meet his ask weeks ago.

 

[DaveG]

Wasn't that Guentzel's initial ask?

UFA's can talk to teams since last Monday, so Carolina saying they have met his ask before he talked with other teams really isn't saying much.

IIRC they changed that, but we know that's happening anyway. I'd f***ing LOVE to see Tampa get smacked for tampering on this but we all know the league won't do shit about it.

 

[Lempo]

I thought there was an update to CBA in recent MOU or otherwise that eliminated the pre UFA contact timeframe? Am I having a senior moment?

No, Mr. President, at least that you got correct.

 

[ElmCityGuy]

Why is it douche-y?

He’s earned the right to go where he wants. The Canes had plenty of time to meet his ask weeks ago.

I would tell a team to give me your best offer and I will weigh my options. I wouldn't tell a team a number then when they agree say I will think about it. That is not the way to do business in my opinion.

 

[dogbazinho]

It's our own fault for not meeting their ask earlier.

(edit: blamed dw, maybe its ownership)

 

[Borsig]

More florida having no income tax benefits for them.

 

[cptjeff]

I wonder if all the talk about 8x8 got new teams involved who didn't think his number would be anywhere near that low.

 

[HydratedByStormBrew]

So, bump the cup window closed thread again?

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he signs. Always seemed a bit of a longshot anyway. And I’ll have the offseason to get over it either way.

 

[Chan790]

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he signs. Always seemed a bit of a longshot anyway. And I’ll have the offseason to get over it either way.

I'm more concerned that this FO is going to take it as an object lesson and not go after the next big acquisition that could have a long-term impact for us, because of an expiring contract.

I mean he didn't cost us anything we couldn't afford to lose.

 

[Bub]

I'm more concerned that this FO is going to take it as an object lesson and not go after the next big acquisition that could have a long-term impact for us, because of an expiring contract.

I mean he didn't cost us anything we couldn't afford to lose.

Well, it certainly adds to our own narrative that we get used by agents/GMs as a stalking horse for deals elsewhere.

 

[DaveG]

So, bump the cup window closed thread again?

depends on what happens in UFA. If someone comes along and gives Necas a 2 year offre hostile taking him right up to UFA, yeah that's major f***ing trouble.

 

[hblueridgegal]

May be some time for some introspection if it doesn't work out with the test drives or others who simply say pass. Are the tactics employed, negotiation approaches, valuations..just not worth the hassle if the road to a deal is easier elsewhere?

 

[Unsustainable]

depends on what happens in UFA. If someone comes along and gives Necas a 2 year offre hostile taking him right up to UFA, yeah that's major f***ing trouble.

Trade Necas to Chicago for the 2025 1st unprotected if all else fails at this point.

 

[Borsig]

depends on what happens in UFA. If someone comes along and gives Necas a 2 year offre hostile taking him right up to UFA, yeah that's major f***ing trouble.

Isnt the offer sheet for necas like craxy high in picks? 2x first a second and a third? I mean at that point for 2 years? Yeah take him,

 

[dogbazinho]

Well, it certainly adds to our own narrative that we get used by agents/GMs as a stalking horse for deals elsewhere.

I mean that's what an agent should do. We can avoid this if we negotiated extensions or trade players that won't sign during the season (I know wouldn't have helped with JG).

Hamilton, Trochek, Skjei, Pesce, now JG. You could field a playoff team with the players we've let leave since GM committee has been here.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I gotta say, this always the bridesmaid never the bride is getting tiring, even if it's not our fault and just players. It's more exhausting hearing how we were basically signing our names on Tkachuk, Meier, Marchmant, Guentz, etc only to have the paper ripped away before the ink dries than it is just not being in the running at all. That's why TDL was such a big win to me, it felt like maybe we finally got over that hump

 

[dogbazinho]

I gotta say, this always the bridesmaid never the bride is getting tiring, even if it's not our fault and just players. It's more exhausting hearing how we were basically signing our names on Tkachuk, Meier, Marchmant, Guentz, etc only to have the paper ripped away before the ink dries than it is just not being in the running at all. That's why TDL was such a big win to me, it felt like maybe we finally got over that hump

IMO once Necas leaves we won't have to worry about competing for those trades for a bit.

 

[DaveG]

Isnt the offer sheet for necas like craxy high in picks? 2x first a second and a third? I mean at that point for 2 years? Yeah take him,

no the OS is a per year thing up to the first 5 years. I can seriously see someone doing an offer sheet to us at the high end of the 1st-3rd range for 2 years at Necas's agents design knowing that even if we do match, he's f***ing gone anyway in 2 years.

 

[User13452]

Looks like it won’t be happening. Not really the canes fault they met the ask of the player and he’s just choosing to go somewhere else.

 

[Brock Anton]

Looks like it won’t be happening. Not really the canes fault they met the ask of the player and he’s just choosing to go somewhere else.

Or they could’ve met the 8x8 ask when it was first made a while back.

 

[raynman]

Just gonna blame Dundon cause I like blaming billionaires for things that go wrong.

 

[Svechhammer]

Quite frankly if he does go elsewhere after we were willing to pay what he wanted, the front office needs to realize they f***ed up. You can't always be cute thinking you're going to squeeze everyone for maximum value and attract elite level talent. Either you play the f***ing game like everyone else in FA or you make a legitimate big trade for an elite player with term. Maybe we do end up getting him, but I'm tired of this front office getting played by agents who just don't respect their crap.

At this point I'm just glad I don't have season tickets anymore. It's not going to be worth the cost going forward

 

[Unsustainable]

If we matched what he wanted, but decides to hit FA to Tampa or something, I am just going to say I wont be mad if Svech hits him harder that he hit Hampus every time we play.

 

[Novacane]

Congrats, we played ourselves and are now gonna waste the prime years of Aho, Svech, and Jarvis with no supporting cast