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[VanillaCoke]

I watch the leafs all the time and liljegren is hot garbage, I wouldn't trade friedman for him straight across.

At one million it's a decent gamble, at six million he's not worth a fourth rounder.

Leafs ruined his development, deployment and now any value he might have had to another team.

 

[VanJack]

Sic?

Probably nothing 'sic' about it. The point the pundits are making is that just about everybody on the Canucks last year had a 'career year'.

And 'one-off' seasons are very rarely duplicated next season. Already Demko has to be be considered a 'longshot' as a finalist for the Vezina. And it could be stretch to suggest that either Miller or Pettersson hit the 100-point mark.

And a number of sites also have Quinn Hughes as only the 'sixth best' choice to win the Norris Trophy back-to-back. Not sure why.....but there it is.

So there's probably some logic in assuming 'a correction' for the Canucks this season.

 

[Vector]

Probably nothing 'sic' about it. The point the pundits are making is that just about everybody on the Canucks last year had a 'career year'.

And 'one-off' seasons are very rarely duplicated next season. Already Demko has to be be considered a 'longshot' as a finalist for the Vezina. And it could be stretch to suggest that either Miller or Pettersson hit the 100-point mark.

And a number of sites also have Quinn Hughes as only the 'sixth best' choice to win the Norris Trophy back-to-back. Not sure why.....but there it is.

So there's probably some logic in assuming 'a correction' for the Canucks this season.

No…do you mean Steve Simmons?

 

[David71]

should have just resigned ian cole instead of derek forbort.

 

[David71]

I would do Dehsarnais for Liljegren. You need to do a little cap manoeuvring to keep accruing cap space though.

that is a no for me. trading a guy the team just signed 3months ago, puts a bad taste in future ufas coming to vancouver imo. let vd learn the system and give it 15-20 games before blasting everyone.

 

[valkynax]

that is a no for me. trading a guy the team just signed 3months ago, puts a bad taste in future ufas coming to vancouver imo. let vd learn the system and give it 15-20 games before blasting everyone.

That I think will be closer to deadline, by closer I mean January maybe, so we won't...you know...run out of time.

It's been only one game, so I'll sit and watch some more to see where this goes.

 

[David71]

That I think will be closer to deadline, by closer I mean January maybe, so we won't...you know...run out of time.

It's been only one game, so I'll sit and watch some more to see where this goes.

last year alvin got zads in late november so maybe he does something similar depending on how the team is doing.

 

[valkynax]

last year alvin got zads in late november so maybe he does something similar depending on how the team is doing.

Fair enough. I still miss General Zad - the swag and the attitude of not giving a shit.

I saw this earlier today, not entirely sure what the disrespect part come from. It's no secret that a couple of games into playoffs and even long before that he's became a fan favorite, and every source indicated that he was also a hugely (pun untended I swear to god) popular figure in locker room too.

Nikita Zadorov claim of disrespect by Canucks smacks of hypocrisy

Nikita Zadorov believes the Canucks were disrespectful in negotiations with him, but the reality is he was trying to take advantage of his favourable position.

thecanuckway.com

Was he thinking that the team's offer was disrespectful? But he should understand that the team must put...team first, there's only so much they can offer before the deal simply makes no sense.

 

[David71]

Fair enough. I still miss General Zad - the swag and the attitude of not giving a shit.

I saw this earlier today, not entirely sure what the disrespect part come from. It's no secret that a couple of games into playoffs and even long before that he's became a fan favorite, and every source indicated that he was also a hugely (pun untended I swear to god) popular figure in locker room too.

Nikita Zadorov claim of disrespect by Canucks smacks of hypocrisy

Nikita Zadorov believes the Canucks were disrespectful in negotiations with him, but the reality is he was trying to take advantage of his favourable position.

thecanuckway.com

Was he thinking that the team's offer was disrespectful? But he should understand that the team must put...team first, there's only so much they can offer before the deal simply makes no sense.

before he came into the canucks he was 5th D in calgary too. i guess he felt was too entitled and wanted to be in the top 4 for the flames but guess they thought otherwise and he wanted out. his small sample here in vancouver before the playoffs he was in the same position. the 13 playoff game sample he displayed for vancouver made sure teams were getting that zadorov for 82 regular season games. guess boston thought he was worth paying the bag for". as much i would have liked Z to be back for vancouver the money wasnt worth it. us fans be bitching and moaning about "overpaying a 30year old dman to a longterm contract" and what if he declines in years 3-4? down the line.

 

[David71]

Fair enough. I still miss General Zad - the swag and the attitude of not giving a shit.

I saw this earlier today, not entirely sure what the disrespect part come from. It's no secret that a couple of games into playoffs and even long before that he's became a fan favorite, and every source indicated that he was also a hugely (pun untended I swear to god) popular figure in locker room too.

Nikita Zadorov claim of disrespect by Canucks smacks of hypocrisy

Nikita Zadorov believes the Canucks were disrespectful in negotiations with him, but the reality is he was trying to take advantage of his favourable position.

thecanuckway.com

Was he thinking that the team's offer was disrespectful? But he should understand that the team must put...team first, there's only so much they can offer before the deal simply makes no sense.

it was his agent dan milstien who didnt wanna talk to the orgnaization for contract talks. so i don't know if canucks "disrepected" zads. maybe it was the agent.. had we signed zads, myers doesnt get resigned too. and joshua..

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I watch the leafs all the time and liljegren is hot garbage, I wouldn't trade friedman for him straight across.

At one million it's a decent gamble, at six million he's not worth a fourth rounder.

Leafs ruined his development, deployment and now any value he might have had to another team.

I do wonder if Tocchet could fix Liljegren. There's clearly talent there but he has no idea what to do with it. Granted, Toronto's been throwing him around all over the place.

He'd definitely one of those players to pass through a third team or the Leafs hold 40-50% of his contract. I'd like to give him a flyer but not at 3M

 

[VanillaCoke]

Provorov thirty-five percent retained incoming :0

 

[oceanchild]

I would have liked them to keep Zads. I know it’s not a popular take but I think we should have traded garland. I feel Zads and a $2M forward is better than Garland and Forburt

 

[F A N]

So Tanev for Lilegegren is happening for the Leafs?

 

[VanJack]

The Canucks will undoubtedly have the cap room to acquire somebody significant on the blueline at the TDL. But until then, they'll probably just have to muddle through.

And Lilgegren might have been a possibility if he wasn't making $3m a season. Can't pay anywhere close to that for a depth d-man, and I doubt the Leafs would ever be willing to retain any of his salary.

 

[oceanchild]

Lindholm $7.75M & Zads $5M = $12.75M

Pettersson $11.7m & Forbort $1.5m = $13.2M

You could argue we had Cole last year and Zads so that Forbort is his replacement and shouldn’t be counted in the calculation.

Not sure I would not have preferred to keep Lindholm and Zads over Pettersson. This is due to the young assets I perceive we would have gotten should we have traded him. Love this management team, but I’m not sure this will end up playing out as the best decision. Since we don’t know what the Canucks would have received in trade or what was available it will always be nebulas, but I suspect it will be a net loss.

 

[theguardianII]

Lindholm $7.75M & Zads $5M = $12.75M

Pettersson $11.7m & Forbort $1.5m = $13.2M

You could argue we had Cole last year and Zads so that Forbort is his replacement and shouldn’t be counted in the calculation.

Not sure I would not have preferred to keep Lindholm and Zads over Pettersson. This is due to the young assets I perceive we would have gotten should we have traded him. Love this management team, but I’m not sure this will end up playing out as the best decision. Since we don’t know what the Canucks would have received in trade or what was available it will always be nebulas, but I suspect it will be a net loss.

Deharnais - 2 mil & Forbort - 1.5 mil Zardorov - 5 mil

Last year
Myers 6 mil, this year 3 mil a savings of 3 mil
Cole - 3 mil, this year 0 mil
Zadorov - 3.75 mil - this year 5 mil

So the savings from Myers and Cole equaled enough to pay big Z and still have enough for another currently available dman, RHD Shattenkirk, RHD Shultz for example, there are other bigger guys too or sign Deharnais still and they would still save money

Last year not counting Hughes or Hronek
TM (6)+ Ian Cole (3)+ NZ (3.75)= 12.75 mil
This year could have been
TM (3)+ NZ (5)+ Vincent Deharnais (2)= 11 mil

Bigger, younger and still enough to sign Forbort @ 1.5 mil and save 275K.

With the Demko question you really have to ask WHY didn't this happen? The defence would have been better.

Now AHL dmen Juulsen or Freidman are the Zadorov replacement.

That was not a good look for Myers, sprained/torn knee it looked like, painful like the devil, detached hurt but differently.

 

[TruGr1t]

If Myers is out for a while they almost need another RSD. We can’t run Desharnais/Juulsen/Friedman down the right side for any length of time with Forbort on the bottom pair.

 

[JT Milker]

Probably nothing 'sic' about it. The point the pundits are making is that just about everybody on the Canucks last year had a 'career year'.

And 'one-off' seasons are very rarely duplicated next season. Already Demko has to be be considered a 'longshot' as a finalist for the Vezina. And it could be stretch to suggest that either Miller or Pettersson hit the 100-point mark.

And a number of sites also have Quinn Hughes as only the 'sixth best' choice to win the Norris Trophy back-to-back. Not sure why.....but there it is.

So there's probably some logic in assuming 'a correction' for the Canucks this season.

Probably nothing ‘sic’ about it

 

[theguardianII]

Probably nothing 'sic' about it. The point the pundits are making is that just about everybody on the Canucks last year had a 'career year'.

And 'one-off' seasons are very rarely duplicated next season. Already Demko has to be be considered a 'longshot' as a finalist for the Vezina. And it could be stretch to suggest that either Miller or Pettersson hit the 100-point mark.

And a number of sites also have Quinn Hughes as only the 'sixth best' choice to win the Norris Trophy back-to-back. Not sure why.....but there it is.

So there's probably some logic in assuming 'a correction' for the Canucks this season.

My take has been a repeat 2016. Certainly not looking very good so far

BUT it is early.

2 games does not a season make. Old style grammar there.

The way things are being talked about Demko ever playing again might start being a question.

 

[Hodgy]

If Myers is out for a while they almost need another RSD. We can’t run Desharnais/Juulsen/Friedman down the right side for any length of time with Forbort on the bottom pair.

We may also get bent over in any trade negotiation given this context so not sure if a trade is all that likely.

 

[TruGr1t]

We may also get bent over in any trade negotiation given this context so not sure if a trade is all that likely.

They need to give Brannstrom a shot and should even look at budget options like Schultz and Shattenkirk as stop gaps if the trade market is prohibitive.

 

[VanillaCoke]

ep for rantanen

 

[Bobby9]

should have just resigned ian cole instead of derek forbort.

100%. Cole was reliable. Made mistakes but still worth his salary.

 

[brock hughes007]

Any updates re: Myers yet?