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[F A N]

Time to retire, Taylor. You can spend your days in bars telling a bunch of 19 year old girls about your Hart Trophy.

I would cut Taylor a bit of slack. It's not his fault he had to play for the Oilers. His career was ruined by knee injuries.

Don't have to tell me. I've been as low on Myers as anyone...ever...going back to his Winnipeg days.

He had one half decent season and people kinda memory-holed his career. A 3 year deal for him was a huge mistake.


He was quite good last season, yeah.

He's also graded out quite well in Seattle, albeit with easier deployment.

Myers, I think, has been a #4 Dman most of his career. He's not a guy who can anchor his own second pairing. He is a RHD with a unique skillset given his size. He can clearly handle top 4 minutes when deployed with a good partner on a good team and for whatever reason his coaches love to play him on the PK. He has had about one and a half good seasons here.

I think when it comes to Myers there are separate discussions: He hasn't been a good signing, he could have been traded for an asset but Allvin chose to keep him, re-signing him to his 3 year contract.

The 3 year contract has been discussed here. I think most of us were shocked at the length but I don't think re-signing him was a mistake. Myers is 34. Given his previous play (i.e. not a top pairing defenseman) I think expecting him to handle top 4 duties playing alongside a partner who isn't a #3 calibre defenseman without a strong 3rd pairing is a big ask. He is also not paid to be a top 4 Dman anymore so that should be taken into consideration. Last year the Canucks had Cole who in his prime could be considered a solid #3 who has a history of elevating his partners. Myers actually split time with Cole and Soucy last season but again the 3rd pairing was noticeably better last season.

“Replenishing their system”

Mynio, Klimovich, Desharnais, 2nd for Pettersson with retention

Replenished!

I'm a big fan of Mynio and I'm against any trade where he is merely a throwin.

I don't know why, but I am getting Nate Schmidt vibes from these Pettersson Pittsburgh rumours.

Someone please allay my concerns, I can't say I've watched him a ton.

I think Pettersson has been better defensively than Schmidt. Pettersson also doesn't play on his off side. At the end of the day it comes down to AAV. Schmidt actually was/is a competent defenseman but he was overpaid. Plus when we acquired him he was actually coming off a down season where he struggled handling top defensive duties.

I still don't know why a team with contending aspirations would want a guy like Jiricek, who can't crack a developing team's roster in Columbus and is mad about it. Even tonight, he had 2:30 of ice time in the first. Do people really think Tocchet is going to be easier on him than Evason in Columbus?

I think a team with contending aspirations should keep one eye on the future. I think the idea is that Jiricek might/will break out with a change of scenary. If Jiricek is the real deal it's not inconceivable that by the time playoffs roll around he's playing at level of a #4 Dman. Plus Jiricek is signed for ~$1.9M AAV this year and the next. Regardless, if you can buy low on a player why not? It potentially gives the team more options such as trading Willander or not relying on Willander to play a significant role next year.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

^ if they want to retain 50% I’m open to it but I’d rather target someone that pushes our current guys down the lineup to their proper roles. Hronek is being relied on to be our 2 guy and he has been honestly underwhelming. A target like Hampus is one that you would ask how to make it work and make sense. A target like Pettersson who may not be up to snuff in the first pass department would spell disaster I think.

 

[F A N]

I think getting rid of Stillman and getting anything back is already a win. But yeah, the point is, GMs see things differently than we do, it’s been proven over and over.

Only in the sense that we didn't get a bonified NHler out of piece of a garbage. I wouldn't say they were wrong at all. Not every prospect makes the big leagues.

I agree that getting rid of Stillman was a huge plus. Like I said, it was a WTF trade as I couldn't believe a GM actually targeted Stillman. But what I am saying is that we might not have received an asset back as arttk suggested. Bloom was a super late 3rd round pick signed to an ELC whose development has stalled. Consequently he might of had negative value at the time of the trade.

 

[kanucks25]

Has McAvoy been bad this year?

AFAIK both he and Lindholm have struggled this season.

And Schenn was a good soldier for us but he is always a 6/7, which we have plenty of.

 

[JT Milker]

Pittsburgh would just take Forbort, retain salary or we'd just have to waive one of them. They aren't going to want two years of Desharnais.

I don’t think Forbert is going to be traded given his dad just died.

 

[kanucks25]

I still believe in Soucy considering the level he played at last season, but it is becoming very concerning. He looks like he's skating in concrete too.

He was quite good last season, yeah.

He's also graded out quite well in Seattle, albeit with easier deployment.

I think at this point you just have to operate like Soucy is a bottom-pair guy that could perform well as a #4 as long as his partner carries the pairing (and he himself turns his game around). So essentially another Myers... and 2 Myers on your 2nd pairing is not a recipe for success.

Seems like his entire career has been a long stretch of being very solid followed by a long stretch of being not very good.

 

[ManVanFan]

So Canucks are having lots of difficulties this year. Still second in percentage in the division.

Soucy Myers are probably the worst 2nd pair in the league.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

So Canucks are having lots of difficulties this year. Still second in percentage in the division.

Soucy Myers are probably the worst 2nd pair in the league.

I think most of the credit goes to Hughes and Lankinen. The rest of the team has either played below expectations, or some played above but aren't huge impact players (ie: Sherwood/Heinen/Brannstrom/etc).

We are still in decent shape once Demko and BB6 returns, and hopefully JTM recovers. Petey bouncing back has been huge, we just need a couple of our star players back.

 

[Hodgy]

Schen is cooked.

 

[Jerry the great]

CBJ has royally effed up his development. They send him down to the AHL for short periods, then call him up to sit in the press box or play 8 minutes on a given night. They've done it for two seasons in a row.

They did that last year, but neither this year, nor his rookie season. And last year he had long stretches playing in each location. I doubt the situation last year was optimal for his development, but he fought them on going to the AHL and other than a 14game stretch in the playoffs, played absolutely mediocre hockey when he was there.

This year under a different coaching staff, after an underwhelming camp/preseason he is alternating between the luxury suite and the end of the bench because he still isn't playing the way they want him to. They are trying to deconstruct and reconstruct his game at the NHL level, instead of in the minors and it is not going well. Why he isn't in the AHL is a mystery and now the trade rumours are starting to swirl.

 

[ManVanFan]

I think most of the credit goes to Hughes and Lankinen. The rest of the team has either played below expectations, or some played above but aren't huge impact players (ie: Sherwood/Heinen/Brannstrom/etc).

We are still in decent shape once Demko and BB6 returns, and hopefully JTM recovers. Petey bouncing back has been huge, we just need a couple of our star players back.

I'd prefer not to just rely on Demko to steal every 2nd game for the team. People noticing the difference in Miller without Boeser and seeing that Petey hasn't had a winger of Boeser quality since he got to Van except when they were the lotto line. Debrusk has performed admirably but he's still not Boeser.

 

[Bgav]

Schen is cooked.

and he still walked myers. i legit laughed

 

[ManVanFan]

They did that last year, but neither this year, nor his rookie season. And last year he had long stretches playing in each location. I doubt the situation last year was optimal for his development, but he fought them on going to the AHL and other than a 14game stretch in the playoffs, played absolutely mediocre hockey when he was there.

This year under a different coaching staff, after an underwhelming camp/preseason he is alternating between the luxury suite and the end of the bench because he still isn't playing the way they want him to. They are trying to deconstruct and reconstruct his game at the NHL level, instead of in the minors and it is not going well. Why he isn't in the AHL is a mystery and now the trade rumours are starting to swirl.

Got to be one of the hardest things in development. Too good for AHL but not consistent enough for the NHL. A young kid that is watching others his age get different treatment for different reasons but that's not how a young kid see's it.

Sucks for Jiricek, on a good team, he's playing a supported role on the 3rd pair, like Schneider's development in NY. In Clb they are shit and need him to be great or they are still crap and it's hard on his development.

I think a little extra marinading is better than less.

 

[Jerry the great]

Got to be one of the hardest things in development. Too good for AHL but not consistent enough for the NHL. A young kid that is watching others his age get different treatment for different reasons but that's not how a young kid see's it.

Sucks for Jiricek, on a good team, he's playing a supported role on the 3rd pair, like Schneider's development in NY. In Clb they are shit and need him to be great or they are still crap and it's hard on his development.

I think a little extra marinading is better than less.

He is absolutely not "too good for the AHL" He has not been a good all situations player at that level with more than half his point production coming on the PP.

In total he has 68 points in 98 GP in the AHL and 38 of them have been on the PP. He's also been a -24 over that span. The idea he has nothing left to learn in the AHL is wrong. He should be there playing top pair minutes in every situation before getting another sniff of an NHL paycheck (which I'd bet on being an issue with this player and his agent).

 

[Vector]

Some personal news. Canucks Army asked me to contribute and my first article was published this morning.

 

[JT Milker]

I wonder what percentage of Hughes’ points come on the power play

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Some personal news. Canucks Army asked me to contribute and my first article was published this morning.

Congrats!

 

[bossram]

Myers, I think, has been a #4 Dman most of his career. He's not a guy who can anchor his own second pairing. He is a RHD with a unique skillset given his size. He can clearly handle top 4 minutes when deployed with a good partner on a good team and for whatever reason his coaches love to play him on the PK. He has had about one and a half good seasons here.

I think when it comes to Myers there are separate discussions: He hasn't been a good signing, he could have been traded for an asset but Allvin chose to keep him, re-signing him to his 3 year contract.

The 3 year contract has been discussed here. I think most of us were shocked at the length but I don't think re-signing him was a mistake. Myers is 34. Given his previous play (i.e. not a top pairing defenseman) I think expecting him to handle top 4 duties playing alongside a partner who isn't a #3 calibre defenseman without a strong 3rd pairing is a big ask. He is also not paid to be a top 4 Dman anymore so that should be taken into consideration. Last year the Canucks had Cole who in his prime could be considered a solid #3 who has a history of elevating his partners. Myers actually split time with Cole and Soucy last season but again the 3rd pairing was noticeably better last season.

I just disagree with this assessment of Myers fundamentally. During Myers tenures with VAN, he's had exactly one season where he's shown real top-four ability (last season). In Winnipeg, he largely played on the third pair. His underlying metrics have nearly always been pretty bad.

I don't get the "unique skillset". Is it unique that despite being 6'9 he's phenomenally bad at using his reach effectively? I guess so. There are multiple plays every game where he just gets stuck between engaging an attacker and literally just screening his goalie. He's 6'9! Get stick on puck!! What is the point of being that tall if it doesn't even help you set a gap?

Re-signing him was a mistake and was the only move of the offseason I didn't like from Allvin. My preference was 1. Don't resign, 2. One year deal, 3. Two year deal, 4. Ugh....

 

[Vector]

I wonder what percentage of Hughes’ points come on the power play

This season 39% and last season 41%.

 

[bossram]

I think at this point you just have to operate like Soucy is a bottom-pair guy that could perform well as a #4 as long as his partner carries the pairing (and he himself turns his game around). So essentially another Myers... and 2 Myers on your 2nd pairing is not a recipe for success.

Seems like his entire career has been a long stretch of being very solid followed by a long stretch of being not very good.

I think the bolded is a fairly reasonable assessment. But I disagree in that Soucy's floor is a lot higher than Myers. When Myers is bad, he is simply a disaster.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Great work Vector and Congratulations!

 

[bossram]

They did that last year, but neither this year, nor his rookie season. And last year he had long stretches playing in each location. I doubt the situation last year was optimal for his development, but he fought them on going to the AHL and other than a 14game stretch in the playoffs, played absolutely mediocre hockey when he was there.

This year under a different coaching staff, after an underwhelming camp/preseason he is alternating between the luxury suite and the end of the bench because he still isn't playing the way they want him to. They are trying to deconstruct and reconstruct his game at the NHL level, instead of in the minors and it is not going well. Why he isn't in the AHL is a mystery and now the trade rumours are starting to swirl.

He was healthy scratched for like 6 straight games. You said yourself he's getting benched every game.

That's not good for development.

Some personal news. Canucks Army asked me to contribute and my first article was published this morning.

YAAAAAAS

 

[StreetHawk]

He is absolutely not "too good for the AHL" He has not been a good all situations player at that level with more than half his point production coming on the PP.

In total he has 68 points in 98 GP in the AHL and 38 of them have been on the PP. He's also been a -24 over that span. The idea he has nothing left to learn in the AHL is wrong. He should be there playing top pair minutes in every situation before getting another sniff of an NHL paycheck (which I'd bet on being an issue with this player and his agent).

23/24 season will haunt the CBJ. You don't bring a kid up and play him in the NHL more than in the AHL in terms of games if he's not either ready or getting better in the NHL. It's not a 5-10 game looksee. It was more than half the season. Gets into the player's head that they are an NHL player. And his agent Walsh is no help in getting him to understand the long game. Yes, cutting salary by 90% from $925K to $90K is hard to go back to the AHL, but that $800K is an "investment" that it will you hope will lead to bigger contracts later when you improve. Cause right now, he's only going to get a QO at this rate. And he has the potential for much more if he can improve his weaknesses.

 

[ManVanFan]

He is absolutely not "too good for the AHL" He has not been a good all situations player at that level with more than half his point production coming on the PP.

In total he has 68 points in 98 GP in the AHL and 38 of them have been on the PP. He's also been a -24 over that span. The idea he has nothing left to learn in the AHL is wrong. He should be there playing top pair minutes in every situation before getting another sniff of an NHL paycheck (which I'd bet on being an issue with this player and his agent).

That's wasn't a personal suggestion. That was how Clb feels.

 

[Rowlet]

Some personal news. Canucks Army asked me to contribute and my first article was published this morning.

The amount of people in the comments and on Facebook that don't understand that you weren't looking for an actual Hronek is concerning.