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[F A N]

Time to retire, Taylor. You can spend your days in bars telling a bunch of 19 year old girls about your Hart Trophy.

I would cut Taylor a bit of slack. It's not his fault he had to play for the Oilers. His career was ruined by knee injuries.

Don't have to tell me. I've been as low on Myers as anyone...ever...going back to his Winnipeg days.

He had one half decent season and people kinda memory-holed his career. A 3 year deal for him was a huge mistake.


He was quite good last season, yeah.

He's also graded out quite well in Seattle, albeit with easier deployment.

Myers, I think, has been a #4 Dman most of his career. He's not a guy who can anchor his own second pairing. He is a RHD with a unique skillset given his size. He can clearly handle top 4 minutes when deployed with a good partner on a good team and for whatever reason his coaches love to play him on the PK. He has had about one and a half good seasons here.

I think when it comes to Myers there are separate discussions: He hasn't been a good signing, he could have been traded for an asset but Allvin chose to keep him, re-signing him to his 3 year contract.

The 3 year contract has been discussed here. I think most of us were shocked at the length but I don't think re-signing him was a mistake. Myers is 34. Given his previous play (i.e. not a top pairing defenseman) I think expecting him to handle top 4 duties playing alongside a partner who isn't a #3 calibre defenseman without a strong 3rd pairing is a big ask. He is also not paid to be a top 4 Dman anymore so that should be taken into consideration. Last year the Canucks had Cole who in his prime could be considered a solid #3 who has a history of elevating his partners. Myers actually split time with Cole and Soucy last season but again the 3rd pairing was noticeably better last season.

“Replenishing their system”

Mynio, Klimovich, Desharnais, 2nd for Pettersson with retention

Replenished!

I'm a big fan of Mynio and I'm against any trade where he is merely a throwin.

I don't know why, but I am getting Nate Schmidt vibes from these Pettersson Pittsburgh rumours.

Someone please allay my concerns, I can't say I've watched him a ton.

I think Pettersson has been better defensively than Schmidt. Pettersson also doesn't play on his off side. At the end of the day it comes down to AAV. Schmidt actually was/is a competent defenseman but he was overpaid. Plus when we acquired him he was actually coming off a down season where he struggled handling top defensive duties.

I still don't know why a team with contending aspirations would want a guy like Jiricek, who can't crack a developing team's roster in Columbus and is mad about it. Even tonight, he had 2:30 of ice time in the first. Do people really think Tocchet is going to be easier on him than Evason in Columbus?

I think a team with contending aspirations should keep one eye on the future. I think the idea is that Jiricek might/will break out with a change of scenary. If Jiricek is the real deal it's not inconceivable that by the time playoffs roll around he's playing at level of a #4 Dman. Plus Jiricek is signed for ~$1.9M AAV this year and the next. Regardless, if you can buy low on a player why not? It potentially gives the team more options such as trading Willander or not relying on Willander to play a significant role next year.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

^ if they want to retain 50% I’m open to it but I’d rather target someone that pushes our current guys down the lineup to their proper roles. Hronek is being relied on to be our 2 guy and he has been honestly underwhelming. A target like Hampus is one that you would ask how to make it work and make sense. A target like Pettersson who may not be up to snuff in the first pass department would spell disaster I think.

 

[F A N]

I think getting rid of Stillman and getting anything back is already a win. But yeah, the point is, GMs see things differently than we do, it’s been proven over and over.

Only in the sense that we didn't get a bonified NHler out of piece of a garbage. I wouldn't say they were wrong at all. Not every prospect makes the big leagues.

I agree that getting rid of Stillman was a huge plus. Like I said, it was a WTF trade as I couldn't believe a GM actually targeted Stillman. But what I am saying is that we might not have received an asset back as arttk suggested. Bloom was a super late 3rd round pick signed to an ELC whose development has stalled. Consequently he might of had negative value at the time of the trade.

 

[kanucks25]

Has McAvoy been bad this year?

AFAIK both he and Lindholm have struggled this season.

And Schenn was a good soldier for us but he is always a 6/7, which we have plenty of.

 

[JT Milker]

Pittsburgh would just take Forbort, retain salary or we'd just have to waive one of them. They aren't going to want two years of Desharnais.

I don’t think Forbert is going to be traded given his dad just died.

 

[kanucks25]

I still believe in Soucy considering the level he played at last season, but it is becoming very concerning. He looks like he's skating in concrete too.

He was quite good last season, yeah.

He's also graded out quite well in Seattle, albeit with easier deployment.

I think at this point you just have to operate like Soucy is a bottom-pair guy that could perform well as a #4 as long as his partner carries the pairing (and he himself turns his game around). So essentially another Myers... and 2 Myers on your 2nd pairing is not a recipe for success.

Seems like his entire career has been a long stretch of being very solid followed by a long stretch of being not very good.

 

[ManVanFan]

So Canucks are having lots of difficulties this year. Still second in percentage in the division.

Soucy Myers are probably the worst 2nd pair in the league.