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[Nucker101]

I disagree that Heinen's been fine. Granted, he has room to grow and has done some positive things, but he does some weird-ass things out there sometimes.

Well I think for his role and pay his impact has been perfectly fine. If he was more consistent or pleasing to watch, the Canucks don't get him on the same contract. Most 3rd liners have some shortcomings and "oof" moments.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Heinen has been fine
Sherwood a home run signing
Lankinen a homerun
DeBrusk so far looks pretty meh considering his contract
Desharnais looks rough so far
Forbort tbd
Sprong basically a wash, nothing lost or gained.

I am happy with a success rate of 50% when we are near the cap and have to take some low risk gambles. Even Gillis had some blunders. Some signings will flop as you are often targetting unproven players or players with small sample sizes.

I knew Desharnais would probably suck but it was a worthwhile attempt in the chance he ended up being decent. Fortunately we managed to get Brannstrom for a small price.

Although I am still a bit peeved at the forseen mistake of re-signing a 34 year old Myers to a 3 year contract. Ugh.

 

[Vector]

I did something exceptionally silly and looked at when the Canucks announce trades. Patrik Allvin has made 24 trades as GM of the Canucks. 15 of them were not at the deadline. Of these trades Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday are the most common 3 trades each. Friday has 2 and Mondau has 1. No trades on a Saturday. 9 trades after 3pm and 6 before. 7 of the last 8 trades were announced after 3pm.

The next trade is mostly likely to come on Sunday after 3pm.

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Sprong trade - Nov. 8th - Friday, 4:24pm
Poolman trade - Oct. 6th - Sunday, 10:45am
Podkolzin trade - Aug. 18th - Sunday, 3:47pm
Mikheyev trade - Jun. 26th - Wednesday, 7:52pm
Lindholm trade - Jan. 31st - Wednesday, 5:55pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.2) Dec. 15th - Friday, 3:09pm
Zadorov trade - Nov. 30th - Thursday, 3:01pm
Beauvillier trade - Nov. 28th - Tuesday, 5:50pm
Friedman trade - Oct. 17th - Tuesday, 10:35am
Lafferty trade - Oct. 8th - Sunday, 11:00am
Pearson trade - Sep. 19th - Tuesday, 2:46pm
Horvat trade - Jan. 30th - Monday, 2:43pm
Bear trade - Oct. 28th - Thursday, 12:17pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.1) Oct. 27th - Wednesday, 6:25pm
Dickinson trade - Oct. 7th - Thursday, 7:47pm

2023 Deadline:
Kalynuk trade
Lazar trade
Hronek trade (2 days prior)
Schenn trade (3 days prior)
Stillman trade (4 days prior)
Kravtsov trade (6 days prior)

2022 Deadline:
Motte trade
Dermott trade
Hamonic trade

 

[racerjoe]

Yeah that's completely fair. It's why someone like Guentzel would've been a better deadline move last year than Lindholm, as you want that player back long-term afterwards whereas with Lindholm he saved us from signing him to a terrible deal.

The short-term guys moving forward should be in the Zadorov mold, where the asset cost is relatively neglible.

In hindsight absolutely, and many here wanted to wait… I just also get the other side where you don’t know if that player is going to be available, and the question is can you wait for him? It probably would have gone better for both the pens and Canucks if the pens made their decision earlier.

 

[Nucker101]

the negative situation with the team is they are lacking timely offence and not as hard to play against as last year. add to that they have less to prove.

-miller and pettersson so far are inconsistent and at no time blowing the doors off and rarely pushing play. there are too many games where one or the other is not engaged. this is the biggest change from this time last year and shows on the scoresheet.

-lankinen has been good but other teams are now getting to him. he loses position when you crowd the net. this is only going to get worse. he is another desmith who can be good until nhl scouting figures him out. we need demko back and healthy.

-the defence is actually not bad technically but is not extracting a physical price from other teams. i agree that it is missing a piece. the piece must be physical. i do not see marcus pettersson as the remedy.

-the forwards are not forechecking as hard as last year and the heavy boardwork has dropped off. there are a lot of stick checks or blocking plays instead of body checks. both heinen and debrusk are good players but not that physical and it shows when they play with garland and he does all the heavy lifting on the boards. they are not bad players in and of itself but add them to blueger and suter who have similar physical limits and the middle of the lineup no longer wears down other teams. joshua should help with that but i think they expected more from debrusk. he reminds me a little of horvat in that he has size but does not use it for its own sake.

-i think they got used to being bigger and meaner with zadorov and joshua. joshua coming back will help but the lack of snarl on defence is an issue.

people are focussed on incrementally upgrading the defence. maybe, but i don't think that is the answer. i think a bigger trade may be coming. maybe trade in one key piece for another with different qualities.

Interesting. From what I've watched, it's lack of puck movement from the back end that's the bigger issue. Teams that forecheck well are giving us fits, you rarely see a clean breakout from a bottom 2 pairings outside of Brannstrom. It's very difficult to score and control play in this league if all you do is chip the puck out.

When I watch Florida play, their dmen all move the puck up quickly. Sure they have some bigger dmen like Ekblad, Mikkola but they also have Forsling as their top dman and guys like Schmidt/Balinskis/Boqvist, 4 guys who are all 195-200 lbs.

They just have the attack mentality.

 

[RobertKron]

I did something exceptionally silly and looked it when the Canucks announce trades. Patrik Allvin has made 24 trades as GM of the Canucks. 15 of them were not at the deadline. Of these trades Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursdau are the most common 3 trades each. Friday has 2 and Mondau has 1. No trades on a Saturday. 9 trades after 3pm and 6 before. 7 of the last 8 trades were announced after 3pm.

The next trade is mostly likely to come on Sunday after 3pm.

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Sprong trade - Nov. 8th - Friday, 4:24pm
Poolman trade - Oct. 6th - Sunday, 10:45am
Podkolzin trade - Aug. 18th - Sunday, 3:47pm
Mikheyev trade - Jun. 26th - Wednesday, 7:52pm
Lindolm trade - Jan. 31st - Wednesday, 5:55pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.2) Dec. 15th - Friday, 3:09pm
Zadorov trade - Nov. 30th - Thursday, 3:01pm
Beauvillier trade - Nov. 28th - Tuesday, 5:50pm
Friedman trade - Oct. 17th - Tuesday, 10:35am
Lafferty trade - Oct. 8th - Sunday, 11:00am
Pearson trade - Sep. 19th - Tuesday, 2:46pm
Horvat trade - Jan. 30th - Monday, 2:43pm
Bear trade - Oct. 28th - Thursday, 12:17pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.1) Oct. 27th - Wednesday, 6:25pm
Dickinson trade - Oct. 7th - Thursday, 7:47pm

2023 Deadline:
Kalynuk trade
Lazar trade
Hronek trade (2 days prior)
Schenn trade (3 days prior)
Stillman trade (4 days prior)
Kravtsov trade (6 days prior)

2022 Deadline:
Motte trade
Dermott trade
Hamonic trade

That's a lot of writing just to tell us that all of his trades have happened on friday afternoons.

 

[Vector]

That's a lot of writing just to tell us that all of his trades have happened on friday afternoons.

DAMN IT ROBERT! YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ ANYTHING I WROTE!

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857495450506629412

f*** Vegas.

 

[LemonSauceD]

McNabb went from a 6/7th D enforcer dman from the Kings to one of the best shot blocking/defensive dman for the better part of a decade.

 

[Nucker101]

I did something exceptionally silly and looked it when the Canucks announce trades. Patrik Allvin has made 24 trades as GM of the Canucks. 15 of them were not at the deadline. Of these trades Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursdau are the most common 3 trades each. Friday has 2 and Mondau has 1. No trades on a Saturday. 9 trades after 3pm and 6 before. 7 of the last 8 trades were announced after 3pm.

The next trade is mostly likely to come on Sunday after 3pm.

---

Sprong trade - Nov. 8th - Friday, 4:24pm
Poolman trade - Oct. 6th - Sunday, 10:45am
Podkolzin trade - Aug. 18th - Sunday, 3:47pm
Mikheyev trade - Jun. 26th - Wednesday, 7:52pm
Lindolm trade - Jan. 31st - Wednesday, 5:55pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.2) Dec. 15th - Friday, 3:09pm
Zadorov trade - Nov. 30th - Thursday, 3:01pm
Beauvillier trade - Nov. 28th - Tuesday, 5:50pm
Friedman trade - Oct. 17th - Tuesday, 10:35am
Lafferty trade - Oct. 8th - Sunday, 11:00am
Pearson trade - Sep. 19th - Tuesday, 2:46pm
Horvat trade - Jan. 30th - Monday, 2:43pm
Bear trade - Oct. 28th - Thursday, 12:17pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.1) Oct. 27th - Wednesday, 6:25pm
Dickinson trade - Oct. 7th - Thursday, 7:47pm

2023 Deadline:
Kalynuk trade
Lazar trade
Hronek trade (2 days prior)
Schenn trade (3 days prior)
Stillman trade (4 days prior)
Kravtsov trade (6 days prior)

2022 Deadline:
Motte trade
Dermott trade
Hamonic trade

Incredible and hilarious analysis. Well done

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

This team was always going to have to be "finished" by the trade deadline. In the meantime, just stay in the hunt. I've heard some absolute shit news on the Boeser front, but I am not sure how reliable that is.

I'm not sure people realize just *how* right things went for us last year. I have us at 98 points to finish.

As soon as I saw the hit and Brock's reaction, I knew he was out at least 2 months. It was a f***ing brutal headshot by a divisional rival that took out our best goal scoring winger, deserved far more than 3 games.

But that's the problem, Jeannot being out does nothing to them.

 

[Leif Rohlin]

As soon as I saw the hit and Brock's reaction, I knew he was out at least 2 months. It was a f***ing brutal headshot by a divisional rival that took out our best goal scoring winger, deserved far more than 3 games.

But that's the problem, Jeannot being out does nothing to them.

There's also the very real possibility that he's not the same player when he comes back.

Even if he is able to pick up where he left off, there's now more risk involved in signing him long-term. Absolutely sucks for him, but from a management perspective it has to factor into those decisions.

 

[cfj007]

Something vaguely around:

Brock/Raty - Byram/Tuch

Flame away....

 

[Nucker101]

Something vaguely around:

Brock/Raty - Byram/Tuch

Flame away....

How do you plan to get Kevyn Adams that drunk?

 

[cfj007]

How do you plan to get Kevyn Adams that drunk?

BC Indica/D Pete/1st

 

[brock hughes007]

I am happy with a success rate of 50% when we are near the cap and have to take some low risk gambles. Even Gillis had some blunders. Some signings will flop as you are often targetting unproven players or players with small sample sizes.

I knew Desharnais would probably suck but it was a worthwhile attempt in the chance he ended up being decent. Fortunately we managed to get Brannstrom for a small price.

Although I am still a bit peeved at the forseen mistake of re-signing a 34 year old Myers to a 3 year contract. Ugh.

Only reason Myers got signed was he would take a cut in salary to stay where his friends where playing.I hated this signing..Thank God for Lankinen otherwise we would be lower then we are now.But eventually he is gonna burn out.

 

[arttk]

People need to stop freaking out lol
If the team doesn't right itself, you guys honestly think Allvin will just sit on the roster? He's going to be trading players left and right, even the new ones that he has just signed and they are all pretty tradeable. There is a lot of flexibility on this roster, it's not like we are locked in and we are stuck with the team for good or for worse.

Super easy to trade

Soucy - 3.25 x2
Suter - 1.6 x 1
Heinen - 2.25 x 2
Sherwood - 1.25 x 2
Bluegar - 1.8 x 2
Forbort - 1.5 x 1
Lankinen - .875 x 1

Mor expensive but still easy

Boeser - 6.65 x 1
Garland - 4.95 x 2

 

[Peen]

People need to stop freaking out lol
If the team doesn't right itself, you guys honestly think Allvin will just sit on the roster? He's going to be trading players left and right, even the new ones that he has just signed and they are all pretty tradeable. There is a lot of flexibility on this roster, it's not like we are locked in and we are stuck with the team for good or for worse.

Super easy to trade

Soucy - 3.25 x2
Suter - 1.6 x 1
Heinen - 2.25 x 2
Sherwood - 1.25 x 2
Bluegar - 1.8 x 2
Forbort - 1.5 x 1
Lankinen - .875 x 1

Mor expensive but still easy

Boeser - 6.65 x 1
Garland - 4.95 x 2

Soucy, Heinen have trade protection

Forbort wouldnt be super easy

Others we want to keep

 

[Vector]

Soucy, Heinen have trade protection

Forbort wouldnt be super easy

Others we want to keep

I think Forbort won't be hard to move but he is negative value.

 

[arttk]

I think Forbort won't be hard to move but he is negative value.

he's like on 1.5 x 1. I imagine a team like the Habs would give us something to take him on because their blueline has like no vets.

 

[Vector]

he's like on 1.5 x 1. I imagine a team like the Habs would give us something to take him on because their blueline has like no vets.

Why would the Habs give up an asset, no matter how minor, to acquire an injured UFA?

 

[arttk]

Why would the Habs give up an asset, no matter how minor, to acquire an injured UFA?

i mean not right now, when he comes back from injury.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Something vaguely around:

Brock/Raty - Byram/Tuch

Flame away....

Why are we trading Brock. Like man this fanbase is fickle.

 

[Hyzer]

Honestly Myers at 3 isnt bad if hes #4 at best, hes more of a #5 but he definitely cannot carry a line by himself

 

[krutovsdonut]

Interesting. From what I've watched, it's lack of puck movement from the back end that's the bigger issue. Teams that forecheck well are giving us fits, you rarely see a clean breakout from a bottom 2 pairings outside of Brannstrom. It's very difficult to score and control play in this league if all you do is chip the puck out.

When I watch Florida play, their dmen all move the puck up quickly. Sure they have some bigger dmen like Ekblad, Mikkola but they also have Forsling as their top dman and guys like Schmidt/Balinskis/Boqvist, 4 guys who are all 195-200 lbs.

They just have the attack mentality..

i'd like to see the forwards do more with the opportunities they are given rather than look to the defence give them more. they have trouble with zone entries, sustained ozone possession and generating scoring chances in tight. right now they are a team that only achieves those things when they are in a push. they need to do it while playing at a regular energy level.

I did something exceptionally silly and looked at when the Canucks announce trades. Patrik Allvin has made 24 trades as GM of the Canucks. 15 of them were not at the deadline. Of these trades Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday are the most common 3 trades each. Friday has 2 and Mondau has 1. No trades on a Saturday. 9 trades after 3pm and 6 before. 7 of the last 8 trades were announced after 3pm.

The next trade is mostly likely to come on Sunday after 3pm.

---

Sprong trade - Nov. 8th - Friday, 4:24pm
Poolman trade - Oct. 6th - Sunday, 10:45am
Podkolzin trade - Aug. 18th - Sunday, 3:47pm
Mikheyev trade - Jun. 26th - Wednesday, 7:52pm
Lindholm trade - Jan. 31st - Wednesday, 5:55pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.2) Dec. 15th - Friday, 3:09pm
Zadorov trade - Nov. 30th - Thursday, 3:01pm
Beauvillier trade - Nov. 28th - Tuesday, 5:50pm
Friedman trade - Oct. 17th - Tuesday, 10:35am
Lafferty trade - Oct. 8th - Sunday, 11:00am
Pearson trade - Sep. 19th - Tuesday, 2:46pm
Horvat trade - Jan. 30th - Monday, 2:43pm
Bear trade - Oct. 28th - Thursday, 12:17pm
Studnicka trade - (pt.1) Oct. 27th - Wednesday, 6:25pm
Dickinson trade - Oct. 7th - Thursday, 7:47pm

2023 Deadline:
Kalynuk trade
Lazar trade
Hronek trade (2 days prior)
Schenn trade (3 days prior)
Stillman trade (4 days prior)
Kravtsov trade (6 days prior)

2022 Deadline:
Motte trade
Dermott trade
Hamonic trade