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[VanillaCoke]

Kesselring is the guy I would want from Utah.

you'll get maata and you'll like it.

 

[Nuckles]

The way I read it, it looks like heavy speculation from Seravalli regarding Utah calling the Canucks about Miller/Pettersson.

Also I think there's zero chance Miller waives his NMC for Utah, and it sounds like the Canucks want to hold on to Pettersson (at least for the time being).

 

[kanucks25]

Also I think there's zero chance Miller waives his NMC for Utah,

I don't see why not?

American city (underrated city by most accounts) and good young team.

 

[Nuckles]

I don't see why not?

American city (underrated city by most accounts) and good young team.

Because Miller is turning 32 soon and probably wants to win a cup. And Utah is not "good", they are 25th in the league standings.

He has a full NMC, he can be extremely picky about where he ends up.

 

[Canucker]

Because Miller is turning 32 soon and probably wants to win a cup. And Utah is not "good", they are 25th in the league standings.

He has a full NMC, he can choose to be extremely picky about where he ends up.

The Rangers are 24th and shitting the bed and he’s open to going to them…I dont think Utah is THAT big of a stretch. It’s a nice safe city (as American cities go).

 

[iFan]

I mean if their plan is to move Miller to make Pettersson happy then we should make that move sooner than later so if Pettersson is a ghost for the rest of the season you can move him before his NMC kicks in.

 

[Heldig]

If Utah is serious, about taking a run at JTM,

Hayton + Lamoureux would get my attention.

Cant see Lamoureux being available.

Probably available guys would include Schmaltz, Crouse, and Hayton. On D, Valimaki and Kolyachonok.

 

[Canucker]

Cant see Lamoureux being available.

Probably available guys would include Schmaltz, Crouse, and Hayton. On D, Valimaki and Kolyachonok.

Yeah, doesnt sound like they’d be that interested.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I hear that Dylan Guenther kid is really something. Would be crazy to trade a pick that high up though.

 

[Nuckles]

The Rangers are 24th and shitting the bed and he’s open to going to them…I dont think Utah is THAT big of a stretch. It’s a nice safe city (as American cities go).

Yeah but New York is New York, and he has a connection to that franchise. I imagine it's the only non-playoff team he'd accept a trade to. I'd love to be wrong though.

Also I don't remember if that rumor about him being open to going to the Rangers was before they plummeted in the standings or after. Things might be different now.

 

[kanucks25]

Because Miller is turning 32 soon and probably wants to win a cup. And Utah is not "good", they are 25th in the league standings.

He has a full NMC, he can be extremely picky about where he ends up.

There are only a handful of true contenders in the league and how many of them:

1) Need him
2) Can fit him
3) Actually want him
4) Have something we want?

If he's open to moving he won't be able to be that picky. Just depends on how much he wants a change of scenery (if at all) which nobody knows.

 

[Heldig]

Yeah, doesnt sound like they’d be that interested.

Schmaltz would be your leading scorer atm. He is a good player. Plus some other assets under team control for a player the Canucks really need to get rid of? Unless you see the Canucks starting a mini rebuild?

 

[theguardianII]

Think of the record, not many wins and blown plays, obvious mistakes.

For a team that should be taking a step further into a playoff spot or contender status games like this year these are a disaster, the results. Right now forget about all the attached drama.

BUT

For a team in a rebuild with lots of very young players in a learning curve some of these games are expected.

What I am saying is fans should be prepared to get behind a rebuild and have tolerance as these possible younger player mature IF a full blown rebuild does occur.

The assembled players, the bottom six could carry younger players while learning

For a veteran team this win/loss record is bad but for a rebuilding team it's pretty good.

IF they do a blow up, which IMO now is the right time because most of the vets with value still carry last years performance in value, then there is a good chance that most of the core could be changing addresses.
If that happened there would be more games like what just happened but with the knowledge that with experience they will get better.
A full blown rebuild need not be the Buffalo experience or Arizona's it could easily be the Devils or some of the long termed winners that had only 2 or 3 bad years.
IF a full blown rebuild is done the return for some vets would be in the form of younger prospects, players and mostly draft picks.
That would change many posters expectations for returns in trades.

What I see for proposals are attempts to hang on to NOW and not give tomorrow enough thought.

Some of the core's time is up meaning Boeser's contract this season and Demko's next season, that extra year for Demko has value in it's cap hit. If both are dealt for many GM's might be willing to offer picks in 2026.
The current "room" addressed might see Miller and Pettersson traveling. Both of these will get both pretty decent young players and picks. This would clean out the room and the losing culture that has had 7 years to fester. It would leave Hughes as an unquestioned leader in the room. Both of these players are still good players and will likely flourish once out from this oppressed room. There would be a chance that a couple of early draft picks could replace them, certainly at current levels of play. So while the loss will be seen when they play better on other teams it is already proven they are struggling here especially under the spotlight where all the baggage is under a magnifying glass.

Being upset with THIS group's performance is justified but if it ends up being a total rebuild and not a half assed job of trying to fix broken leg with a splint on the arm then supporting the rebuild with younger players with their entire future in front of them should be supported and encouraged. No booing when they lose because it isn't expected that they win immediately.

 

[Canucker]

Schmaltz would be your leading scorer atm. He is a good player. Plus some other assets under team control for a player the Canucks really need to get rid of? Unless you see the Canucks starting a mini rebuild?

Yeah, i don’t think Schmaltz is going to light up anyone with excitement in a Miller trade…he’s an ok player, but I’d hope for a better centerpiece than that.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I have been calling for patience, wait til their healthy, and see what happens.

That said, I would not be adverse to trading any of Miller Boeser and Demko if someone throws a decent package at us. Heck, I wouldn't object to letting go of all 3, if we could get 2 good roster players, 3 draft picks (say 2 1sts and a 2nd or some such), and a couple of top notch prospects.

But I doubt that happens.

Oh, and please note I can't see anyone trading for them where we could end up with a lottery pick for any of them. Likely in the 20 - 30 range, in what is deemed to be a mediocre draft.

 

[VanJack]

The Jersey Devils make the most sense to me. They're close to being a serious contender, if they're not there already. And they've probably got some assets that would interest the Canucks for Miller.

Of course, the hard reality, is that you're never going to be able to trade a guy like Miller and get anywhere close to the equivalent value back. That's just the way it is.

 

[Canucker]

The Jersey Devils make the most sense to me. They're close to being a serious contender, if they're not there already. And they've probably got some assets that would interest the Canucks for Miller.

Of course, the hard reality, is that you're never going to be able to trade a guy like Miller and get anywhere close to the equivalent value back. That's just the way it is.

Disagree…you might not get the “value” of a high end roster player, or top of the food chain prospect but if they’ve done their homework they might be able to get good aggregate value out of a decent roster player, a good prospect and a good pick that could turn into something if they flipped it, as well as some freed up cap space.

 

[Szechwan]

This is so strange.

Would an NHL GM actually get upset over this? I mean if he calls everyday asking for McDavid or Crosby or MacKinnon then yeah it's like go away dude but I can't imagine he's doing that lol

Everyone has that dipshit in their fantasy league that spams all the teams with lopsided trades in case someone accidently says yes.

I am not at all surprised to hear they exist at the professional level.

 

[sting101]

I mean if their plan is to move Miller to make Pettersson happy then we should make that move sooner than later so if Pettersson is a ghost for the rest of the season you can move him before his NMC kicks in.

Do people really believe he cant play good because of Miller?

Imagine that a 100pt player and Quinn Hughes bringing the 5th highest paid player down to a 65 pt player level.....my oh my

 

[Szechwan]

If Devils serious about Miller and Nemec wants out something here?

Miller and Boeser cap 14.65 for Nemec, Mercer and Meier 13.8.

Devils improve top 6 we get another RHD prospect and a big body for EP on wing. Mercer would take the 2C role.

I feel like NJ still value Meier a ton, even if he hasn't lived up to expectations.

 

[David71]

For what it’s worth, they have a two day break after tomorrow. Allvin’s most common trade date is Sunday. Would give them time to make trade and get a new player in to practice.

this seems plausible. one thing is miller could be scratched" for purposes of being traded?....

so today we have aqualini's man, mason, saying that he thinks pettersson stays. plus fresh meat on miller being traded involving nj.

and we have simultaneous stories that demko is sad (from an unlikely but reliable source) and from an agent mouthpiece that boeser talks are going nowhere if they are going at all.

it's not good news. i would bet at least one of these stories is intended to be a message that if miller goes the player in question goes.

management has a problem that their decision goes beyond miller and pettersson. we thought this shit had gone away. it is back.

brock boeser.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Get what you can for Miller in a package, a player like Nemec would be a great place to start. Then throw that Cap hit at Sam Bennet as a UFA and you could come out a net positive and fix the room.

 

[Killer Orcas]

I feel like NJ still value Meier a ton, even if he hasn't lived up to expectations.

They probably do but I'll be honest don't feel good about extending Boeser long term. He's got chemistry with Miller hence sending him along and Meier would give EP lots of room upfront. They are also playing him on his off wing for some reason so why not have a natural RW instead there in Boeser. We need to change the room more then just Miller I think bringing in another respected vet like Meier couldn't hurt.

 

[Vector]

• Very quiet out of Vancouver; which is in some ways telling
• After seeing Miller’s media availability yesterday, has the look of a guy who’s had enough; doesn’t mean the media since he believes that Miller has respect and appreciation of the questions being asked
• Can go one of two ways; Canucks approach him or he approaches them and tells them he won’t waive until the offseason and then he can pick where he goes
• Feels like there’s more action around Miller; teams around the league view him as a tangible upgrade
• Canucks need to compete so not looking for picks and prospects

• Thinks a trade is taking so long to develop because they haven’t found a third party to flip futures to
• Knows that Aquilini “will be got”; Aquilini has a lot of respect for Rutherford but they will have had words
• Says Blake Wheeler was very similar to Miller in his approach; in your face and that rubbed some guys the wrong way; some media at the game against the Jets said that the Canucks have a very similar feel to when the Jets were going through some tough times with Wheeler
• Not just about Pettersson & Miller; when you have situations like this it encourages cliques; teams can never find their happy place
• Not an indictment of the coaching staff
• Doesn’t think Boeser is coming back
• Thinks you could sell a renovation to the fans; knows the fans are tired of all the rumours and headlines
• Rutherford can be a very convincing guy and get ownership on board with whatever their plan is
• Something has to give; based on what happened in the last game it feels like that was the final straw

 

[Bleach Clean]

• Very quiet out of Vancouver; which is in some ways telling
• After seeing Miller’s media availability yesterday, has the look of a guy who’s had enough; doesn’t mean the media since he believes that Miller has respect and appreciation of the questions being asked
• Can go one of two ways; Canucks approach him or he approaches them and tells them he won’t waive until the offseason and then he can pick where he goes
• Feels like there’s more action around Miller; teams around the league view him as a tangible upgrade
• Canucks need to compete so not looking for picks and prospects
• Thinks a trade is taking so long to develop because they haven’t found a third party to flip futures to
• Knows that Aquilini “will be got”; Aquilini has a lot of respect for Rutherford but they will have had words
• Says Blake Wheeler was very similar to Miller in his approach; in your face and that rubbed some guys the wrong way; some media at the game against the Jets said that the Canucks have a very similar feel to when the Jets were going through some tough times with Wheeler
• Not just about Pettersson & Miller; when you have situations like this it encourages cliques; teams can never find their happy place
• Not an indictment of the coaching staff
• Doesn’t think Boeser is coming back
• Thinks you could sell a renovation to the fans; knows the fans are tired of all the rumours and headlines
• Rutherford can be a very convincing guy and get ownership on board with whatever their plan is
• Something has to give; based on what happened in the last game it feels like that was the final straw

Saw this one last night. That line about selling a renovation to the fans: Of course, JR is not coming here to be a puppet GM. He's going to do what he thinks is right. This includes walking Aqua through a change in the re-tool timeline.

Dhali made a quip about no one in the media speculating about ownership interference now. It's because it's not a thing.

They'll need a 2C back from somewhere. If the hold up is the lack of a third party to provide a 2C, then does that infer they are getting enough in futures from the first party? That's heartening to hear at least.

Boeser not coming back is foolhardy. Have to believe they will approach the Boeser camp closer to the TDL. A final offer.