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[LemonSauceD]

This team would be near last place without Lankinen, who chose to be here over more money elsewhere, and gave the team a bargain for a one year deal.

Four millions in a Ninety Plus millions cap environment for a solid, reliable 1B/2A Goaltender is a bargain, and he's already a fit on your team.

Ditching that and Looking for the "next guy" you hope is as good as what you've got, to save maybe one and a half million dollars, is a completely stupid, jimtarded, bowman level decision.

4eorgeiv and vanacek make 3.5. 34 year old jake allen makes 3.9....
Yall want trash like that instead....?!

Vanacek, Allen, 4giev got those contracts because of their 1 year wonder seasons.

Especially Vanacek and Allen who both put up better seasons than Lankinen is having rn

 

[bossram]

there's always 5-6 teams each year that just get sunk by bad goaltending. there's not enough reliable goalies to go around. if you think you have one you gotta sign them. i don't have strong feelings about resigning lankinen but if the team believes in him i think you gotta pay him

I don't think anyone actually can "know" if you have one. Goaltending is very volatile. Outside of like 6 or 7 goalies, every team that thinks they can identify if their goalie can be a stable 1A/1B starter pretty much turns out to be wrong.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Yes. Lankinen was a great signing. I advocated signing him in the summer.

Goaltending is also extremely volatile. Only the most elite goalies have any semblance of year-to-year consistency in high-level play. I'd like to thank Lankinen for his service and send him on to get his deserved py bump elsewhere.

You do realize...all the goalies you derided there got those contracts because they had a decent season somewhere along the line and the team decided to over-invest in them after that. And then what happened?

Every season some unheralded goalies are signed for like super cheap and pop-off with a nice year. And every season some other goalies implode on themselves out of nowhere. Better to be on the right side of that equation.

I won't call you any names or make some stupid insults like you did. But you obviously have no context or understanding of the league dynamics with goalies.

So he's a great signing that you advocated for in the summer, came in a performed great, saved your season, and wants to stay for reasonable money, but isn't worth keeping?!
...And i dont understand context or leafue goalie dynamics lmao?!

Its just an incredibly stupid take, no team is going to walk from solid, affordable, goaltending that already fits on your team just to go be another of the teams searching for exactly that. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Its not like he's asking for 5x5 or 6x6, and its still a cheaper tandem then other teams starter alone.

What goalies do you advocate replacing Lankinen with and for how much exactly?! List them....

 

[VanillaCoke]

Vanacek, Allen, 4giev got those contracts because of their 1 year wonder seasons.

Especially Vanacek and Allen who both put up better seasons than Lankinen is having rn

And Lankinen isnt a one year wonder.

Allen is 34 those other goalies have all looked worse than Lankinen frequently, and add Samsonov and campell and more.

Half a dozen teams arw desperate for goaltending and yall geniuses want to trash one of the best 1Bs in the league the past few seasons for a magic box.
To save maybe 1.5% of the cap and less every season afterwards... lol, lmao even.

Dont even @ me its just so stupid & ridiculous i literally cant even.

 

[sting101]

Huge management mistake for how they handled that leave of absence.

Is EP not happy after Buff game? Or management?

Fans mostly for watching them suck

 

[TruGr1t]

I don't think anyone actually can "know" if you have one. Goaltending is very volatile. Outside of like 6 or 7 goalies, every team that thinks they can identify if their goalie can be a stable 1A/1B starter pretty much turns out to be wrong.

Lankinen had a great stretch, but he's still hovering around his career .905 save percentage and has been pretty inconsistent over his last number of starts. I think people are overweighting his hot stretch to start the year. Assuming he finishes with 40-45 starts he'll likely be around, if not below, his career average stats.

So I'm not sure he's increased his value as much as people think.

 

[LemonSauceD]

And Lankinen isnt a one year wonder.

Allen is 34 those other goalies have all looked worse than Lankinen frequently, and add Samsonov and campell and more.

Half a dozen teams arw desperate for goaltending and yall geniuses want to trash one of the best 1Bs in the league the past few seasons for a magic box.
To save maybe 1.5% of the cap and less every season afterwards... lol, lmao even.

Dont even @ me its just so stupid & ridiculous i literally cant even.

Well thats the point.

 

[F A N]

There is nothing wrong with a complementary scoring winger, the problem is you'll have to find him a suitable C as well. If you are making an $8m x 8 investment (or in that range), you probably don't want to then have to find another expensive piece in order to get full value from the first investment. Whereas Ehlers you can plug him with any generic 3C (ie: Namestinkov) and give him some PP1 time and he will be a PPG player.

Its just my preference that, if you are paid a premium dollar amount, you shouldn't then have additional requirement to perform up to expectation.

Hockey is a team game. Linemates are important. So I don't see things the way you do.

When you have McDavid/Crosby you need to find him a winger to play with. Even when we have the Sedins we looked for a winger to compliment them. Eventually, Malkin played with Crosby and McDavid played with Drai. Just the way teams have it these days.

I think it's inefficient to play an $8M AAV winger on your 3rd line with generic 3Cs and Ehlers has not been a PPG player. He's been near that level twice. Once in 20-21 and this season (which he may again finish below that). Last season his most frequent C was actually Scheifele.

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As for the playoff, I would worry about it when we get there. Excluding the bubble playoff where the 10th place team in the conference can get in, we only legit made the playoff once in 9 seasons, and we might miss out again this year. Lets not put the cart before the donkey.

That's like saying I would worry about building a team that can win a Stanley Cup when we get to the Stanley Cup Finals. We've only made the Finals three times in our history. I think you're missing the forest for the trees here.

Also, lots of Jets underperformed in past playoffs, even Hellebyuck, I have no idea what is going on there but it isn't like Ehlers is the only struggling there.

Except it's not just last year.

And I do think Boeser's production would drop pretty significantly soon. Obviously I hope to be wrong because BB6 is a great person, but he has most of the traits of a player that won't age well. Unless you tether him to another 100pts 1C like he was the last couple seasons, I don't think he will approach 40G or 75pts again.

And Ehlers' career high is 29 goals and 64 points. Maybe Ehlers reaches 30+ goal 70+ points. Maybe Boeser does too again.

 

[bossram]

So he's a great signing that you advocated for in the summer, came in a performed great, saved your season, and wants to stay for reasonable money, but isn't worth keeping?!
...And i dont understand context or leafue goalie dynamics lmao?!

Its just an incredibly stupid take, no team is going to walk from solid, affordable, goaltending that already fits on your team just to go be another of the teams searching for exactly that. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Its not like he's asking for 5x5 or 6x6, and its still a cheaper tandem then other teams starter alone.

What goalies do you advocate replacing Lankinen with and for how much exactly?! List them....

And Lankinen isnt a one year wonder.

Allen is 34 those other goalies have all looked worse than Lankinen frequently, and add Samsonov and campell and more.

Half a dozen teams arw desperate for goaltending and yall geniuses want to trash one of the best 1Bs in the league the past few seasons for a magic box.
To save maybe 1.5% of the cap and less every season afterwards... lol, lmao even.

Dont even @ me its just so stupid & ridiculous i literally cant even.

Relax man. Crazy you're so emotional over (what should be) one of the most benign and inoffensive takes on goaltending in the NHL: "Goaltending is volatile and hard to predict".

Yes. already said, I advocated for signing Lankinen in the summer. Because he would come cheap, and because he was cheap there was an asymmetric risk-reward profile on him. If you significantly bump up the price tag on him, that is no longer true.

Vejmelka is interesting to me as a UFA. So is Charlie Lindgren. Lyon, Rittich, Forsberg would be on the very cheap end of the spectrum and hold some interest for me. You keep ripping on Jake Allen, but his SV% is 0.01 worse than Lankinen.

Lankinen had a great stretch, but he's still hovering around his career .905 save percentage and has been pretty inconsistent over his last number of starts. I think people are overweighting his hot stretch to start the year. Assuming he finishes with 40-45 starts he'll likely be around, if not below, his career average stats.

So I'm not sure he's increased his value as much as people think.

I agree with the bolded.

If that does end up bringing down his asking price, then I would be more interested. If Lankinen views this as his one shot to maximize his career earnings, then I wish him the best.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

And Ehlers' career high is 29 goals and 64 points. Maybe Ehlers reaches 30+ goal 70+ points. Maybe Boeser does too again.

The idea is changing our team comp. We are severely lacking in speed in our top 6 and are below the 50th percentile for forwards.

Someone with speed like Ehlers is going to be able to back defenders off, and give players like Elias much more room to operate on the rush.

The options are either tying yourself up to a long term contract to a slow, non-line driving Brock, perhaps an imperfect addition like Ehlers, or replace him with no one, which means Quinn has no incentive to stay.

It’s particularly tough because Brock is a big character guy. You lose him and Miller, you only have Quinn left as a voice and leader of note.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Keep in mind .905 as a save percentage means something very different from .905 from 10 years ago.

.905 back then was pretty bad, now is pretty good.

 

[VanJack]

Keep in mind .905 as a save percentage means something very different from .905 from 10 years ago.

.905 back then was pretty bad, now is pretty good.

I agree. When the league clamped down on hooking, holding and interference, the quality of the scoring chances went way up......which is what the NHL wanted.

During the 'dead puck era' when hockey resembled MMA on ice, there were a ton of very boring games.....and the GAA and Save Percentage for the goalies went through the stratosphere. Add to that the goalie equipment which at times looked like it was designed by the Michelin Tire Company.

But fans don't pay to see mud-wrestling at center ice they pay to see goals and offense. Goalies are bigger today, and more athletic, but they've never had it tougher. More shooters are getting wide-open looks and the mayhem in the blue paint makes pucks impossible to track.

So a .905 save percentage, is actually pretty decent.

 

[TruGr1t]

Keep in mind .905 as a save percentage means something very different from .905 from 10 years ago.

.905 back then was pretty bad, now is pretty good.

Blackwood has been substantially above that over the past two seasons. Legit good starters tend to be above .910.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Relax man. Crazy you're so emotional over (what should be) one of the most benign and inoffensive takes on goaltending in the NHL: "Goaltending is volatile and hard to predict".

Yes. already said, I advocated for signing Lankinen in the summer. Because he would come cheap, and because he was cheap there was an asymmetric risk-reward profile on him. If you significantly bump up the price tag on him, that is no longer true.

Vejmelka is interesting to me as a UFA. So is Charlie Lindgren. Lyon, Rittich, Forsberg would be on the very cheap end of the spectrum and hold some interest for me. You keep ripping on Jake Allen, but his SV% is 0.01 worse than Lankinen.

I'm literally as lifted as it gets rn, just dumbfounded to the point of incredulity.

Idk how much of those goalies you watch but they're all varying levels of yikes to average at best, and for how much ...?!

Vej & Forsberg already make 2.75 rn.
Lindgren, Rittich(lol), Lyon, forsberg are even older lamer vets... Pretty pathetic list imo.

And Washington, Detroit, LAK, and Senators are all teams that have been perpetually searching for goaltending lmao, you want their old worse backups??
Sens, devils, Caps just traded for fixes, expensive ones, and the kings went back to Kuemper for PLD.


Im not ripping on Allen, I'm pointing out he's five years older and makes 4M rn, for as you say "SV% is 0.01 worse", but a younger better version that wants to stay isnt worth keeping?

Yall want to ditch Lankinen for a mystery box that might be as good as the current team fit player that wants to stay for less money than recent contracts..... to maybe save ~1.4% of the cap.
Absurdly dumb.
I'm actually shocked you of all ppl have this opinion, lemon and some other sure but dang.

Can just agree to disagree I guess, but with the OBVIOUS state of goaltending league wide and how many teams are desperate for it year after year, i find the trash Lankinen for ?¿ opinion pretty laughable.

 

[Bleach Clean]

How bad does Yzerman's impression of Miller have to be for DET to be out on him?

This is the exact team that could use a 1C right now.

 

[Ernie]

Probably the worst outcome for the Canucks is trading Miller for something perceived as a subpar return, the team continues to suck, and basically nobody shows up for games anymore and the disinterest around the team gets worse heading into the summer. Oh, and then Miller will undoubtedly have a renaissance actually caring for his new team, and make them look even worse.

It's a perfect storm for Aquilini to make some truly horrible decisions about management. The shine is certainly wearing off of this current group but it could get much worse.

6 weeks ago they decided one of them needed to go.

Perhaps if they can't get anything resembling fair value back for JT, they end up moving Pettersson instead.

Worked out well enough in 2013 when after months of trying to move Luongo Gillis shocked the hockey world by trading the younger player; and then less than a year later they traded Luongo for Markstrom. Both high end franchise goalies dealt in less than a year.

There is so much noise around JT now I don't see how they can keep him around long term. Whether they will also have to trade Pettersson is another matter.

 

[bossram]

I'm literally as lifted as it gets rn, just dumbfounded to the point of incredulity.

Idk how much of those goalies you watch but they're all varying levels of yikes to average at best, and for how much ...?!

Vej & Forsberg already make 2.75 rn.
Lindgren, Rittich(lol), Lyon, forsberg are even older lamer vets... Pretty pathetic list imo.

And Washington, Detroit, LAK, and Senators are all teams that have been perpetually searching for goaltending lmao.
Sens, devils, Caps just traded for fixes, expensive ones, and the kings went back to Kuemper for PLD.


Im not ripping on Allen, I'm pointing out he's five years older and makes 4M rn, for as you say "SV% is 0.01 worse", but a younger better version that wants to stay isnt worth keeping?

Yall want to ditch Lankinen for a mystery box that might be as good as the current team fit player that wants to stay for less money than recent contracts..... to maybe save ~1.4% of the cap.
Absurdly dumb.
I'm actually shocked you of all ppl have this opinion, lemon and some other sure but dang.

Can just agree to disagree I guess, but with the OBVIOUS state of goaltending league wide and how many teams are desperate for it year after year, i find the trash Lankinen for ?¿ opinion pretty laughable.

You're making the basic mistake that you think you can predict goaltending. You can't. Most NHL teams can't.

Vejmelka might be on the pricier end of the names mentioned, but all the others will come cheap. Allen isn't going to get $4M this offseason. The other guys I named will be cheap.

Yes, I know these goalies are mystery boxes. That's the point. You don't know what you're going to get next season. No one really knows. Lankinen himself is a mystery box! He's had an .891 season. He could turn back into that! His numbers are getting worse as this season progresses. If most goalies are mystery boxes, the only way to extract any value from them is to make sure you're paying them as little as possible. Then if they turn out with a nice season, you reap big surplus value. If they implode, well, at least you didn't invest much. Or you could give someone like Lankinen a Ville Husso contract and then immediately watch it turn into a turd.

You call this a laughable take, but most people here seem to agree with me. What's laughable is that you can't understand the very basic concept that goaltending performance is extremely volatile. Like yeah, if the goalie in question is Shesterkin or Lundqvist or Luongo then it's a different story. Sorry, Lankinen is not in that tier.

 

[Peen]

always ran this risk

He was a random cheap goalie. He was on the market in September. This is an accurate description.

I also advocated for signing him all summer because I thought he was better than his reputation. And he is! He's delivered very good value for the Canucks.

Now he's going to get paid market value or above. So it's time to move on, let someone else make that investment, and to find the next random cheap goalie that is actually better than their reputation.

I think there's some guys where you do this and some that you don't.

Lankinen is one of the ones where I don't think they should do this. Suter is where they should let someone else do it.

 

[F A N]

The idea is changing our team comp. We are severely lacking in speed in our top 6 and are below the 50th percentile for forwards.

Someone with speed like Ehlers is going to be able to back defenders off, and give players like Elias much more room to operate on the rush.

The options are either tying yourself up to a long term contract to a slow, non-line driving Brock, perhaps an imperfect addition like Ehlers, or replace him with no one, which means Quinn has no incentive to stay.

It’s particularly tough because Brock is a big character guy. You lose him and Miller, you only have Quinn left as a voice and leader of note.

I'm not sure having a speedy winger alongside Petey is the answer.

Speaking of speed, Pods has gotten noticeably faster this season. Maybe we should have kept him. Despite Pods' low production, I think the idea of pairing him with Drai is that he allows Drai to play his game.

 

[bossram]

always ran this risk

I think there's some guys where you do this and some that you don't.

Lankinen is one of the ones where I don't think they should do this. Suter is where they should let someone else do it.

I'm the exact opposite on this. Goaltending is volatile and unpredictable, at the best of times. Lankinen has done good work for them, but I don't think it really has much predictive value on what he'll be going forward.

I think Suter is as safe a bet as you can make to get reliable two-way play from the middle-six. I'm not saying I would pay him whatever he wants, but I think you can be pretty confident in the performance you'll get from him, which makes coming up with a fair-value price very easy.

 

[Hodgy]

Lankinen was quite strong the last two years but this year is at 0.7 GSAA according to Moneypuck and 1 GSAA according to Natural Stat Trick. He’s in the 30-40 range in the league this year.

Ya, I posted this a couple of weeks ago. I think Lankinen is being overrated a bit based on his svp., and not enough emphasis is being placed on Tochett's system and the low event hockey the Canucks are playing.

With that said, it will be a tough decision for the Canucks because Demko hasn't proven he can play well after his injury, and even if he does, he's a major injury risk. I'd be more inclined to roll the dice with a "value" goalie if Demko was playing well, but if he doesn't turn things around, and we go into next season with a mediocre Demko and a question mark.....that's not great.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm the exact opposite on this. Goaltending is volatile and unpredictable, at the best of times. Lankinen has done good work for them, but I don't think it really has much predictive value on what he'll be going forward.

I think Suter is as safe a bet as you can make to get reliable two-way play from the middle-six. I'm not saying I would pay him whatever he wants, but I think you can be pretty confident in the performance you'll get from him, which makes coming up with a fair-value price very easy.

I'd give Silovs another shot and put Lankinen's money toward a defender instead.

Suter I would re-sign at $3m~ AAV, for 3 to 4 years.

 

[bossram]

I'd give Silovs another shot and put Lankinen's money toward a defender instead.

Suter I would re-sign at $3m~ AAV, for 3 to 4 years.

Agreed, but I would still be adding another goalie in the ~$1M range.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Snorlax says Utah are trying to make a big move and have been one of the teams that have expressed interest in Pettersson

 

[JT Milker]

Going in to next year with robo-Demko and Sievlovs would be a total joke.