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[VanillaCoke]

Me too. That's a very reasonable ask - therefore I suspect it's more.

It's terrific, if they're coming in a full tier under Daccord, Blackwood and Logan Thompson, give him the four by four asap.

Opens up flexibility with Demko too.
These next few months have the opportunity for major major decisions/changes.

 

[TruGr1t]

I would imagine management wants something below $4M AAV on a multiyear extension for Lankiken, and if they plan on giving Demko run here I'm not sure they would be in a particular rush to sign anything for another couple weeks.

 

[Jerry the great]

Pettersson seems unlikely to go anywhere:

Pettersson

• Told the Canucks he wants to stay and the talks around him have cooled
• Team and players are receptive to Pettersson staying
• If Pettersson plays to the level he can play at, people will rally around that

This is why i brought up the situation Gillis faced with his goalies in 2012/13. They explored the market for both (sound familiar?) and eventually concluded that trading the older Luongo for a shit return made less sense than trading Schneider for the 13th OA pick (and then eventually trading Luongo when the right deal came along). Irrespective of our idiotic owners subsequent moves, Vancouver ended up with two pretty solid building blocks after moving both goalies out.

If they can find the right deal for Pettersson, it might make more sense to make that trade, rather than eating a shit sandwich just to get Miller out of the room.

 

[bossram]

Vancouver Canucks

• Canucks and Kevin Lankinen have expressed a mutual desire to extend the relationship past this season
• Haven’t been serious contract talks yet between the two sides
• Lankinen’s side is waiting for the NHL to announce the salary cap increase
• New goalie extensions keep changing the market
• Doesn’t think he can be signed for less than 4m

Yeah, I would probably walk away from that. Try to find the next random-cheap-goalie-that-has-a-good-season in UFA.

 

[Jerry the great]

I would imagine management wants something below $4M AAV on a multiyear extension for Lankiken, and if they plan on giving Demko run here I'm not sure they would be in a particular rush to sign anything for another couple weeks.

They may be content to slow play the situation in case things go too far off the rails and the season is deemed unsalvageable. In that case, it might make more sense to sell him at the deadline (especially if a contender runs into injury trouble).

 

[bossram]

It's terrific, if they're coming in a full tier under Daccord, Blackwood and Logan Thompson, give him the four by four asap.

Opens up flexibility with Demko too.
These next few months have the opportunity for major major decisions/changes.

I'm surprised people are readily willing to give Lankinen $4M x4 when we see every year some goalies implode and other random goalies turn in a nice season.

Just cycle through cheap guys. Find the next Daccord/Lankinen/Stolzarz/Thompson before you have to pay them.

 

[arttk]

Eddie Lack? Damn...

damnit eddie

 

[TruGr1t]

I'm surprised people are readily willing to give Lankinen $4M x4 when we see every year some goalies implode and other random goalies turn in a nice season.

Just cycle through cheap guys. Find the next Daccord/Lankinen/Stolzarz/Thompson before you have to pay them.

I think, and would suspect the front office agrees, the body of work is still too short to commit to a multiyear contract at that salary level. He'll get a raise and term for sure, but I would be surprised even if he goes to market he gets $4M AAV. That and he's cooled off after a hot start and has looked more average during his last few starts.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Aside from you disliking the comparison, I'm not sure we are disagreeing apart from conclusions drawn. Hull does benefit from having a playmaking C feeding him but is that a bad thing? Like Mogilny was at his best when he had a good C feeding him. Of course Boeser benefits from playing with good players but it's not like he can't score playing with different Cs.


I get that but when you're giving out these long term $$$ deals, the priority isn't the back end of it but the front end of it. Of course if the assessment is that Boeser will decline "soon" then of course you should think twice about giving him a 7-8 year contract. That has nothing to do with Ehlers.

For me, I don't want to build a team that wins only in the regular season. Ehlers has not shown the ability to produce in the playoffs. Meanwhile we've seen Boeser score some big goals in the playoffs. Plus it's not like Ehlers isn't injury prone. So that should be factored in as well if you think he will simply age well.

There is nothing wrong with a complementary scoring winger, the problem is you'll have to find him a suitable C as well. If you are making an $8m x 8 investment (or in that range), you probably don't want to then have to find another expensive piece in order to get full value from the first investment. Whereas Ehlers you can plug him with any generic 3C (ie: Namestinkov) and give him some PP1 time and he will be a PPG player.

Its just my preference that, if you are paid a premium dollar amount, you shouldn't then have additional requirement to perform up to expectation.

As for the playoff, I would worry about it when we get there. Excluding the bubble playoff where the 10th place team in the conference can get in, we only legit made the playoff once in 9 seasons, and we might miss out again this year. Lets not put the cart before the donkey. Also, lots of Jets underperformed in past playoffs, even Hellebyuck, I have no idea what is going on there but it isn't like Ehlers is the only struggling there.

And I do think Boeser's production would drop pretty significantly soon. Obviously I hope to be wrong because BB6 is a great person, but he has most of the traits of a player that won't age well. Unless you tether him to another 100pts 1C like he was the last couple seasons, I don't think he will approach 40G or 75pts again.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I'm surprised people are readily willing to give Lankinen $4M x4 when we see every year some goalies implode and other random goalies turn in a nice season.

Just cycle through cheap guys. Find the next Daccord/Lankinen/Stolzarz/Thompson before you have to pay them.

Not to mention, what does a $4m x 4 extension says to Demko? His contract is up after next season, would the team really want a $4m goalie to backup Demko, or is that $4m goalie a replacement for Demko? Would the team want to extend Demko afterwards and spend more than $10m in net? I don't see the rush right now. If Lankinen leaves as a UFA this summer, you should be able to find a legit backup relatively easily, let him and Demko plays out next season and then decide what the plan is long term.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I'm surprised people are readily willing to give Lankinen $4M x4 when we see every year some goalies implode and other random goalies turn in a nice season.

Just cycle through cheap guys. Find the next Daccord/Lankinen/Stolzarz/Thompson before you have to pay them.

This team would be near last place without Lankinen, who chose to be here over more money elsewhere, and gave the team a bargain for a one year deal.

Four millions in a Ninety Plus millions cap environment for a solid, reliable 1B/2A Goaltender is a bargain, and he's already a fit on your team.

Ditching that and Looking for the "next guy" you hope is as good as what you've got, to save maybe one and a half million dollars, is a completely stupid, jimtarded, bowman level decision.

4eorgeiv and vanacek make 3.5. 34 year old jake allen makes 3.9....
Yall want trash like that instead....?!

 

[Kryten]

This team would be near last place without Lankinen, who chose to be here over more money elsewhere, and gave the team a bargain for a one year deal.

Four millions in a Ninety Plus millions cap environment for a solid, reliable 1B/2A Goaltender is a bargain, and he's already a fit on your team.

Ditching that and Looking for the "next guy" you hope is as good as what you've got, to save maybe one and a half million dollars, is a completely stupid, jimtarded, bowman level decision.

4eorgeiv and vanacek make 3.5. 34 year old jake allen makes 3.9....
Yall want trash like that instead....?!

It would be another Zadorov blunder. Demko and Lank combined would be lower than some of these new goalie contracts. It also gives us insurance if Demko cant get back to usual in the future.

 

[VanillaCoke]

It would be another Zadorov blunder. Demko and Lank combined would be lower than some of these new goalie contracts. It also gives us insurance if Demko cant get back to usual in the future.

Exactly, they're not giving demko eight million, so even a six million dollar demko and Lankinen combo is still less than shesty/Bobrovsky/Helle, or close enough.

You want a tandem in todays nhl and especially with a poplietus demko, need a solid 1B, we have one. Why look and hope for something else when you cannjust keep your guy that wants to stay, isnt old, has a proven track record, and isn't even asking for ridiculous money.

Otherwise you're the oilers, or last years sens, devils, leafs etc, searching and hoping for saves.

We have been absolutely spoiled with goaltending in Vancouver, so let's just keep that going.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This is why i brought up the situation Gillis faced with his goalies in 2012/13. They explored the market for both (sound familiar?) and eventually concluded that trading the older Luongo for a shit return made less sense than trading Schneider for the 13th OA pick (and then eventually trading Luongo when the right deal came along). Irrespective of our idiotic owners subsequent moves, Vancouver ended up with two pretty solid building blocks after moving both goalies out.

If they can find the right deal for Pettersson, it might make more sense to make that trade, rather than eating a shit sandwich just to get Miller out of the room.

I think the precedent you offered is sharp. It is a consideration, but when you look at the team through the lens of the quick re-tool JR/Allvin tried to do, and not Gillis' desire to rebuild, the decision to keep at least one of Pettersson/Miller becomes clear. They want to compete now, not build.

The entertained offers for both, but only Miller is still getting pushed. They have seemingly made their decision.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I'm surprised people are readily willing to give Lankinen $4M x4 when we see every year some goalies implode and other random goalies turn in a nice season.

Just cycle through cheap guys. Find the next Daccord/Lankinen/Stolzarz/Thompson before you have to pay them.

Yeah I agree with this he hasn’t even been that great this season. Relative to our other goalies yes but he has been a little above average league wide. Especially considering how good the Canuck have been defensively, the need to be spending money on generating more offence.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Yeah, I would probably walk away from that. Try to find the next random-cheap-goalie-that-has-a-good-season in UFA.

Think it's a discredit to Lankinen to call him a random cheap goalie. He will have 3 strong years behind him by expected goals saved. Similar guys on the market this season (Adin Hill, Logan Thompson) will get money in that $4M range too, I expect.

 

[Vector]

It could be a really interesting free agency for goaltenders. You have the older guys having breakout seasons (Lankinen, Lyon, and Lindgren), some guys in their late 20s also performing well (Thompson, Vladar, Vejmelka, and Hill), and then three bounce-back candidates that have had some success in the past (Samsonov, Georgiev, and Vanecek).

 

[bossram]

This team would be near last place without Lankinen, who chose to be here over more money elsewhere, and gave the team a bargain for a one year deal.

Four millions in a Ninety Plus millions cap environment for a solid, reliable 1B/2A Goaltender is a bargain, and he's already a fit on your team.

Ditching that and Looking for the "next guy" you hope is as good as what you've got, to save maybe one and a half million dollars, is a completely stupid, jimtarded, bowman level decision.

4eorgeiv and vanacek make 3.5. 34 year old jake allen makes 3.9....
Yall want trash like that instead....?!

Yes. Lankinen was a great signing. I advocated signing him in the summer.

Goaltending is also extremely volatile. Only the most elite goalies have any semblance of year-to-year consistency in high-level play. I'd like to thank Lankinen for his service and send him on to get his deserved pay bump elsewhere.

You do realize...all the goalies you derided there got those contracts because they had a decent season somewhere along the line and the team decided to over-invest in them after that. And then what happened?

Every season some unheralded goalies are signed for like super cheap and pop-off with a nice year. And every season some other goalies implode on themselves out of nowhere. Better to be on the right side of that equation.

I won't call you any names or make some stupid insults like you did. But you obviously have no context or understanding of the league dynamics with goalies.

 

[pitseleh]

Vegas traded for Hert's age 29-through-35 seasons. We are trying to trade Miller's age 31-through-36.

Though fair, Miller is starting at a higher base level of on ice value at 31 than Hertl at 29, so even with typical aging curves I think Hertl’s worse value. Less duration risk and more room for a decline with Miller’s contract.

 

[credulous]

there's always 5-6 teams each year that just get sunk by bad goaltending. there's not enough reliable goalies to go around. if you think you have one you gotta sign them. i don't have strong feelings about resigning lankinen but if the team believes in him i think you gotta pay him

 

[Vector]

Though fair, Miller is starting at a higher base level of on ice value at 31 than Hertl at 29, so even with typical aging curves I think Hertl’s worse value. Less duration risk and more room for a decline with Miller’s contract.

Hertl was 30 years old when they acquired him and is playing this season at 31 since November.

 

[bossram]

Think it's a discredit to Lankinen to call him a random cheap goalie. He will have 3 strong years behind him by expected goals saved. Similar guys on the market this season (Adin Hill, Logan Thompson) will get money in that $4M range too, I expect.

He was a random cheap goalie. He was on the market in September. This is an accurate description.

I also advocated for signing him all summer because I thought he was better than his reputation. And he is! He's delivered very good value for the Canucks.

Now he's going to get paid market value or above. So it's time to move on, let someone else make that investment, and to find the next random cheap goalie that is actually better than their reputation.

 

[Bgav]

What team this off season would give you value for a player that will be turning 33 next year ? If they don’t trade him now I think he won’t be traded at all

 

[pitseleh]

Think it's a discredit to Lankinen to call him a random cheap goalie. He will have 3 strong years behind him by expected goals saved. Similar guys on the market this season (Adin Hill, Logan Thompson) will get money in that $4M range too, I expect.

Lankinen was quite strong the last two years but this year is at 0.7 GSAA according to Moneypuck and 1 GSAA according to Natural Stat Trick. He’s in the 30-40 range in the league this year.

 

[vancityluongo]

Exactly, they're not giving demko eight million, so even a six million dollar demko and Lankinen combo is still less than shesty/Bobrovsky/Helle, or close enough.

You want a tandem in todays nhl and especially with a poplietus demko, need a solid 1B, we have one. Why look and hope for something else when you cannjust keep your guy that wants to stay, isnt old, has a proven track record, and isn't even asking for ridiculous money.

Otherwise you're the oilers, or last years sens, devils, leafs etc, searching and hoping for saves.

We have been absolutely spoiled with goaltending in Vancouver, so let's just keep that going.

100%. for every stolarz/thompson, there are two or three samsonov or grubauers. it's really hard to predict which way a guy goes.

if that's all it takes for lankinen to stay in what could very well be a shared role, it's a no brainer. worst case, he's an overpaid backup at a manageable hit.

imo the much bigger question is what to do with demko and if he's capable of being a 1a going forward

and if they decide no on demko, giving lankinen $4m doesn't negate getting one of those guys either, it just provides a baseline downside better than silovs as the defacto starter.

curious what others think on lankinen + vejmelka, at say $4m + $3m, vs demko at $5m + silovs at $.85m. maybe add whatever asset you get back for demko at the draft or lankinen at the deadline on either side...can't imagine the demko return being too much higher unfortunately, so maybe that's a wash.