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[Jyrki]

This trade has to be one of the most psycho moves in recent years, no? Massive risk for both teams, clearly the GMs are betting on their pro scouting that the fits are better, while the Avs in particular see the extra year on Necas as more valuable than having Rantanen to extend their Cup window. It would be like if Malkin was traded for Hossa back in 2010, or something like that.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

This trade has to be one of the most psycho moves in recent years, no? Massive risk for both teams, clearly the GMs are betting on their pro scouting that the fits are better, while the Avs in particular see the extra year on Necas as more valuable than having Rantanen to extend their Cup window. It would be like if Malkin was traded for Hossa back in 2010, or something like that.

Avs were right up against the cap this year and had trouble at times icing a full team so I guess Sakic really likes Necas at 6.5m next season. Maybe almost half of what Rantanen will make. Maybe Carolina's going to try and re-sign Rantanen for cheaper than he would have got in Colorado using the Finns already there.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

This trade has to be one of the most psycho moves in recent years, no? Massive risk for both teams, clearly the GMs are betting on their pro scouting that the fits are better, while the Avs in particular see the extra year on Necas as more valuable than having Rantanen to extend their Cup window. It would be like if Malkin was traded for Hossa back in 2010, or something like that.

Canes needed a big push and Avs wanted to get something for Rantanen before he likely left in FA.

Necas under contract next year as well so gives them some flexibility.

Risky but understand it from both sides.

Personally think Canes made out like bandits.

 

[arttk]

Even if they trade both, they will not rebuild. They'll probably use futures and whatever currency and cap space they have left to try to go for it again next year.

If we trade both then I really don’t see any path to compete.

Canes needed a big push and Avs wanted to get something for Rantanen before he likely left in FA.

Necas under contract next year as well so gives them some flexibility.

Risky but understand it from both sides.

Personally think Canes made out like bandits.

Think the Canes are taking a ton of risk with this which is fine. You gotta take risks to get better. If they get to like the SCF but don’t win and then Rantanen walks because he likes a lot of money, you can argue the trade was still worth it.

 

[December5th]

the cap of an nhl team should be dependent on the province/states taxes

 

[timw33]

It's one of the biggest hauls for a pending UFA in a long time, but man, if Carolina gets him signed this is getting a top 10 player for spare parts including a guy they've been loath to commit to long term and have actively been trying to trade for almost a year.

Canes trade Necas in a season he went nuclear early on riding some incredibly unsustainable numbers, that's some excellent asset management and could end up being a textbook sell high. I think he could be a good fit in Colorado, but his consistency may drive Avs fans absolutely mental and his game can get pretty soft at times compared to Rantanen who is an absolute unit.

Excited to see what Aho-Rantanen can do.

 

[Glennis the Menace]

It's one of the biggest hauls for a pending UFA in a long time, but man, if Carolina gets him signed this is getting a top 10 player for spare parts including a guy they've been loath to commit to long term and have actively been trying to trade for almost a year.

Canes trade Necas in a season he went nuclear early on riding some incredibly unsustainable numbers, that's some excellent asset management and could end up being a textbook sell high. I think he could be a good fit in Colorado, but his consistency may drive Avs fans absolutely mental and his game can get pretty soft at times compared to Rantanen who is an absolute unit.

Excited to see what Aho-Rantanen can do.

We're right before the Four Nations too, where those two will be paired up. Risk/reward, gotta admire the balls on Tulsky for going for it.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Necas was on the table for Pettersson, but not for Miller, but according to half of these boards, it should be the other way around no?

Pettersson has been disappointing this season, but he spent the majority of this summer recovering from tendonitis. When he signed his 3 year extension and missed training camp, he played like shit that season as well when the entire contract ordeal went on throughout the summer.

Other teams are circling us as they smell blood in the water. I think of trading Pettersson as a disaster of epic proportions because there's no deal that we win, and you'd be basically signing off on Hughes leaving this team when he gets the chance.

 

[December5th]

fire tocc and hire bruce for coach bump again to raise petey and millers value for the off season

 

[Orca Smash]

It's one of the biggest hauls for a pending UFA in a long time, but man, if Carolina gets him signed this is getting a top 10 player for spare parts including a guy they've been loath to commit to long term and have actively been trying to trade for almost a year.

Canes trade Necas in a season he went nuclear early on riding some incredibly unsustainable numbers, that's some excellent asset management and could end up being a textbook sell high. I think he could be a good fit in Colorado, but his consistency may drive Avs fans absolutely mental and his game can get pretty soft at times compared to Rantanen who is an absolute unit.

Excited to see what Aho-Rantanen can do.

I think you are underselling necas a bit, he is an excellent pure offensive forward with tons of speed stuck in Brindamours system where he values defense, tight checking, and encourages throwing pucks on net from every bad angle. Some years he would not even have Necas on PP1. He is also stuck this year saddled with Kotkaneimi and eric robinson for some unknown reason. Yet whenever aho and necas were on ice together it was magic. Hes similar to tocchet in that he values defense well above offense.

Aho should be a 90-100 point player every year but he struggles to hit 80 due to Rod. It will be interesting to see how Necas does in Colorado and Rantanen does in Carolina that is for sure. I seen a post this year how few of rantanens points didnt come from empty netters or playing with mackinnon. Rantanen is like a slightly lesser draisatl to me, unfortunately he lacks Draisaitl's consistency. Hell of a player for sure when he has that drive.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Even if they trade both, they will not rebuild. They'll probably use futures and whatever currency and cap space they have left to try to go for it again next year.

They won't have a choice. Not even Hughes will save this team from the bottom in that event.

 

[David71]

what if miller gets traded tommorow? before puckdrop ? team is TBD.. the return would be overwhelming and everyone will say OH keep him until the offseason for more suitors. but noo you pay what you get

 

[Wisp]

would not sneer at Mittelstadt, he's third in Avs scoring.

 

[sting101]

Mittlesradt is not a 2C you win with. Maybe with MacKinnon but not here. We need a match up guy if Miller's going out the door. Manson and Girard are negative value contracts. Ritchie is a nice piece but pretty far removed in age if the objective is the Hughes and Pettersson timeline. The only deal is a 3 way if someone values those assets

 

[Big zZz]

Millers age, attitude and contract are clearly hurting his value more than we thought.

 

[sting101]

Necas is getting undersold from what ive neen reading.. He makes 6.5 for this and next year that's 2 runs for the Avs with a lot of savings. He"s also been pushing to move back to his natural C position and hitting his prime as one of the fastest and most skilled players with size. That 1-2 combo is about as good as it gets I'm terms of playdriving.
Drury is also a little underrated. He's got some 3rd line chops and even enough skill to be a 3rd wheel on a top6 line. He will fit in well in Colorado.

Rantanen is a unit but he's gonna get 14m by the sounds of it...so much for any surplus value and he's been through the wars and is gonna be 28 to start out. And that's if they retain if not they just gave up a premium asset. Hope it works out because it has a lot of risk.

Bold though which I like

 

[Lupuls Grit]

The interesting take-away here is that Petterson is now confirmed to be on the trading block. There are obviously more teams that could take him on with the lack of no-trade clause. If Allvin is desperate to make a move soon for the sake of the team, it is reasonable to expect that Petey will be the one traded and they will hold on to Miller, at least to the end of the season and perhaps longer depending on how team chemistry works after a Petey trade.

 

[JT Milker]

Mittlesradt is not a 2C you win with. Maybe with MacKinnon but not here. We need a match up guy if Miller's going out the door. Manson and Girard are negative value contracts. Ritchie is a nice piece but pretty far removed in age if the objective is the Hughes and Pettersson timeline. The only deal is a 3 way if someone values those assets

Just use Pettersson against other teams’ top lines, not like he’s scoring anyway.

 

[Quinning]

Going on record again...

Any deal for Miller that has Mittelstadt or Kotkaniemi as the main/best piece coming back (even if there are other pieces) should be absolute non-starters.

Miller has 33 points in 37 games. Just a few points off PPG in his "worst" season as a Canuck.

Teams are trying to lowball offers for him because they think the Canucks are desperate. Don't be fooled into thinking his actual value is that low.

That's the problem, though. The Canucks ARE desperate and everyone knows it because of how badly management has let this thing spiral.

 

[Nucker42]

I’m sure Pettersson telling the team he wants to stay, then immediately almost getting traded won’t effect his confidence at all.

I like it though, other than Hughes everyone else can go. This team has played terrible no one deserves to stay.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I dunno. To me, Chicago is the most puzzling team here.

I see the rationale from the other sides. CAR is taking the big swing and going all-in. They need a true finisher. They got another useful player in Hall. COL doesn't think they're gonna re-sign Rantanen so they replace him with Necas - who while inferior, I think his skating/transition ability will fit the Avs really well. And they have more cap space to make another move.

Chicago trades Hall AND uses a retention slot at $4+M for.....a third round pick. Seems pretty light.


Carolina/Tulsky were dummying Vancouver the entire time. Negotiating ploy with COL to say they have "another deal" on the table.

Worth noting it's their own 3rd rounder. Makes me wonder about an offer sheet in the off season?

 

[iFan]

The interesting take-away here is that Petterson is now confirmed to be on the trading block. There are obviously more teams that could take him on with the lack of no-trade clause. If Allvin is desperate to make a move soon for the sake of the team, it is reasonable to expect that Petey will be the one traded and they will hold on to Miller, at least to the end of the season and perhaps longer depending on how team chemistry works after a Petey trade.

I don’t think our management group will make a move out of desperation. They seem to have a good level of self control. We all want change to happen and to get back on track but you don’t make a move to make a move, you make it when the right deal comes along. Gillis was great at doing this, these guys also seem to think this way which is good. Teams will try and rip,us off to get Miller or Pettersson, but in reality what playoff or cup contender team wouldn’t love to to add a JT Miller? He’s a straight up beast, he’s a big, gritty, tough, edgy player who is solid in the face offs, can play wing, good defensively… he is perfect for most teams and his cap hit for what he brings is a good deal.

 

[TruGr1t]

The interesting take-away here is that Petterson is now confirmed to be on the trading block. There are obviously more teams that could take him on with the lack of no-trade clause. If Allvin is desperate to make a move soon for the sake of the team, it is reasonable to expect that Petey will be the one traded and they will hold on to Miller, at least to the end of the season and perhaps longer depending on how team chemistry works after a Petey trade.

If they're serious about trading Pettersson they should absolutely be circling back with Buffalo, NYI, and Columbus.

 

[Nucker42]

I don’t think our management group will make a move out of desperation. They seem to have a good level of self control. We all want change to happen and to get back on track but you don’t make a move to make a move, you make it when the right deal comes along. Gillis was great at doing this, these guys also seem to think this way which is good. Teams will try and rip,us off to get Miller or Pettersson, but in reality what playoff or cup contender team wouldn’t love to to add a JT Miller? He’s a straight up beast, he’s a big, gritty, tough, edgy player who is solid in the face offs, can play wing, good defensively… he is perfect for most teams and his cap hit for what he brings is a good deal.

I’m keeping an eye on 3 teams:

1. Colorado - have almost 6 million in cap, Middlstadt is their 2C. Lots of speculation they aren’t happy with his play.

2. NJ - Carolina just made a huge move, they need to keep pace.

3. NYR - lots of smoke but they would be my least favourite team.

 

[Curm]

The missed opportunity feels just as bad the morning after. The Canucks are going to pay dearly for deals they didn't make much earlier on. Nobody could have predicted Miller and Pettersson's post extension value would have tanked like it has, Miller more so though he did have the best year of his career last season, but it has and both need to go.

The on-ice results are one thing, but the Canucks have publicly poured gas on the situation with how they handled Miller's LOA and Allvin's public ripping of EP40, it sounds like teams are now also leery of adding either player to their locker rooms, and who can blame them. Hard to believe it's reached this point.

Hoping for the best return on both players but prepared for the worst.