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Mr. Canucklehead said:
I like how Rick says out of one side of his mouth that media speculation and conjecture runs amok and hurts the team, but he’s the first to run his mouth about trades that were close that didn’t happen.

I’m a sucker for the rumor mill, but it’s an exercise in hypocrisy for some of these guys.
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He gets paid regardless of how the Canucks do in trades, so his first loyalty is to his pocketbook...well ahead of any fan loyalty.
 
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Breakers said:
Man this organization has to stop letting these trade talks that didn’t go through from leaking


There won’t even be a team of this keeps happening

Pettersson is too mentally fragile to answer these rumors
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It’s entirely self-inflicted. There would be no trade talks if the players were performing and not tanking their season.

Don’t want rumors to be circulating? Don’t underperform. The core players have been mentally fragile for years, so i find it hard to sympathize with them at this point. They’ve been given several different coaches and the results have mostly remained the same.
 
VanillaCoke said:
With the right odds I'd prob bet my house Carolina signs him, Aho - Rantanen Finnish combo, pre 4nations especially, was definitely their chips in 1A plan.
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LeBrun also said the Avs only talked to teams that rantanen would like to go to since he has a ntc. He's bff's with Aho


Basically if the Canes don't lowball him, I think he'll stay.
 
Jerry the great said:
If we had traded Pettersson for Necas and Kotkaneimi (+ a prospect if the rumors were true)) last Feb/March when that deal was on the table, we'd have had no additional cap space for Zadorov or anyone else...the cap savings would have been ~$300k.

It would have also probably resulted in deafening criticism (initially anyway). Pettersson was top 10 in scoring (between Marner and Draisaitl) and Necas and Kotkaniemi were both having down years. who knows how they'd have responded in Vancouver....or Pettersson in Carolina, but the overwhelming sentiment at the time was "thank god he signed because Necas and Kotkaneimi suck"
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I would add I think we would have than a.so had to deal Miller anyway this year, as lost in most of this talk is the fact it seems more likely it’s the team and miller who have had it, not just Petey.
 
LeBrun making it sound like the Canucks really want Kotkaniemi lol

I know there was talk about whether Jesperi Kotkaniemi could have been part of this blockbuster, but I’m told his name actually wasn’t part of this specific trade negotiation with Colorado. I suspect the reason his name was out there was actually because the Vancouver Canucks had brought up his name in trade talks with Carolina. (More on that in a moment.) The Avs wanted Jack Drury, and his upside was part of the trade along with the talented Martin Necas, of course.

It’s the price to pay if you’re Carolina for the chance to have a superstar like Rantanen.

Of note, several NHL front offices I chatted with in the aftermath of the blockbuster had no idea Rantanen was available. But it’s not accurate to say Colorado only dealt with one team on it. League sources confirmed Saturday that the Avs did reach out to a very small number of teams and carefully suggested if they got to the point where they felt they couldn’t sign him, that perhaps that team would get a call and they should be ready for that. I think it was a very, very small list of teams. In part because Rantanen had a partial no-trade list.

Where this leaves the Canucks is a whole other story, of course. As I reported late Friday night, it’s my understanding that Carolina and Vancouver got close on a deal this past week. What I can’t confirm is whether it involved J.T. Miller or Elias Pettersson because the reality is that the Canes had talks with the Canucks over the past several weeks on each player. All I know is that Miller wasn’t asked to waive his full no-move clause.

We also know that Carolina tried to trade for Pettersson a year ago before he extended with the Canucks. I can confirm that Vancouver had talks with other teams as recently as this past week regarding Pettersson, as well. So it remains as it ever was. The Canucks could trade either Miller or Pettersson and perhaps even both when all is said and done between now and next season.

Whatever the case is, Vancouver lost a trading partner once Carolina went the Colorado route.

Whether this re-opens the door for the New York Rangers to take a third crack at it on Miller, we shall see. The New Jersey Devils have dabbled on Miller, but my sense as of Saturday is they just don’t see how it all fits, cap-wise and asset-wise. That could change closer to March 7 when the salary cap circumstances change. There are a handful of other teams that have talked to Vancouver on Miller, as well.
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VanillaCoke said:
With the right odds I'd prob bet my house Carolina signs him, Aho - Rantanen Finnish combo, pre 4nations especially, was definitely their chips in 1A plan.
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Not sure what the ask from Rant is now. Been months since Kypreos reported that Rant turned down $90 mill over 8 years $11.25 mill AAV from the Avs either in the off-season or early in the season. Mack beat out McDavid's AAV by just $100K, which has since been passed by Matthews in the $13's and Drai at $14 mill.
So, figuring that given Rant's production, he wants to fall within the market, not capped by Mack.
Aho is at like $9.75mill per. Rant is likely looking at $3 mill more than that.
 
wonton15 said:
Probably because Tulsky did it on purpose and played Allvin like a fiddle to up the leverage and urgency in the Colorado deal which was their real priority
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given the canucks used a canes offer to sign pettersson (which was their real priority) last year that would be completely fair and not playing anyone like a fiddle if they were both upfront about it. being a backup offer is ok if you know about it going in.
 
scariest thing about everything so far is our management.

I've basically have 0 confidence in this management.

overrated pro scouting, and the timing of most of our contracts are poor.
 
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Canucks’ Involvement
  • Kotkaniemi was never discussed as part of the Rantanen trade but was brought up by the Canucks in trade talks
  • Canucks and Hurricanes got close on a deal in the past week
  • Can’t confirm whether that deal involved Miller or Pettersson
  • Had discussed both players with the Hurricanes over the past several weeks
  • Miller has not been asked to waive his NMC
  • Hurricanes tried to acquire Pettersson last season before he was signed to an extension
  • Had talks about Pettersson with other teams as recently as this past week
  • Could trade Miller, Pettersson, or both when all is said and done
Trading Partners
  • Canucks lost a trading partner in the Hurricanes
  • May open the door for the Rangers to take a “third crack” at Miller
  • Devils have “dabbled on Miller” but they don’t see how he fits cap and asset-wise; this could change closer to the trade deadline
  • Handful of other teams have talked to the Canucks about Miller
 
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Miller for Ratface and Kastelic

Pettersson and Boeser and whatever else is needed for Thompson and Tuch

Demko for Severson+

That + and a 2nd for K'Andre MIller

DeBrusk-Thompson-Garland
Marchand-Suter-Tuch
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
Heinen-Kastelic-Sasson/Hog/Lekk

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Severson
Miller-Myers

Lank/Silovs
 
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Who cares? The team is becoming irrelevant. It's the same core with the same result 6 out 7 times.

Look how long they hung onto the last WC spot while playing so poorly and now they are 3 points out with the team in front having a game in hand and a party on the bench every goal.

Having a good team spirit seems to work especially when the pressure to win is eased up.

St Louis and Utah could pass them by Sunday evening. Sure the Canucks will have games in hand but the pressure to excel, to go beyond might be too much. And even if the Canucks surprise Washington and win they are still out of the show and may only be 1 point ahead of two teams snapping at their heels.

Again at the start of the season game one, I "guessed" this would be a repeat of 2016, I was prepared to eat crow because it didn't look to be that bad a start. But now? In a week they could be in 27th in the league or worse. Their GF and GA is trending in that direction and an injury to Joshua can't still be trotted out as a reason (excuse).
 
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Reverend Mayhem said:
Yes it does.
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The Hurricanes were negotiating with the Avalanche for 6-8 weeks. Have been talking to the Canucks about their players at the same time. Had multiple offers on the table and had a choice between different packages. We have multiple examples of teams making deals with different teams and choosing their options.

You are completely wrong on this.
 
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Vector said:
The Hurricanes were negotiating with the Avalanche for 6-8 weeks. Have been talking to the Canucks about their players at the same time. Had multiple offers on the table and had a choice between different packages. We have multiple examples of teams making deals with different teams and choosing their options.

You are completely wrong.
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If the Canes were dealing in full faith and pivoted off to Rantanen, which we don't have the information to accurately say whether or not they were...then yeah I'm completely wrong.

I don't believe I'm completely wrong. 50% wrong? Yeah, I could acquiesce to that.
 
Orr4Norris said:
These players could not play ‘Green’ hockey, ‘Bruce’ hockey or ‘Tocchet’ hockey but changing the coach is going to help? I’m sure it will give them a small boost which will dwindle away as soon as any bumps along the road are encountered.
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Out of those coaches, you have green who is dog shit, Bruce, who is a great offensive coach, but that is really it, and Tocchett who has had one good season ever.

I actually do like Tocchett, but I don’t like a lot of his decisions this season, and has me questioning some of his abilities.
 
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