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[mriswith]

39% xgoals %, that graph doesn't say what that guy thinks it says lmao.

i thought adam foote is in charge of the d pairings? very questionable indeed if those two are always on the ice together. too bad you cant move myers now because he lives in kelowna in the offseason.

I initially thought the same and that we were stuck with Myers as well because he will never waive his nmc, but I've since realized his buyout is relatively painless.

I think a trade package around Hoglander lands Jiricek.

Hoglander is talented, but doesn't fit our system. I think on a team like Columbus he scores 25+ quite easily.

Maybe if you add Lekk+ to Hog it'd have a chance

 

[LemonSauceD]

I don’t really get this Jiricek talk.

1. We have Willander.
2. We have Hronek.
3. Willander’s skating and defensive potential > Jiricek’s 5 on 5 liability concerns, poorer skater, and PP needs.

Jiricek’s potential as a big guy with offensive ability is nice, but unless we part ways with Hronek who’s basically developed as a top pair defenseman under us or we abandon Willander’s potential as an elite skating defensive backend, there’s no realistic succession for Jiricek here. And right now he doesn’t move the needle for us.

I used to be high on him, but his lack of growth defensively coupled with some grave concerns of his 5 on 5 game and entitlement issues is quite frankly off putting.

On the flip side, there’s zero chance Columbus lets him go for anything less than a 1st round pick and a solid prospect.

 

[Leif Rohlin]

I don’t really get this Jiricek talk.

1. We have Willander.
2. We have Hronek.
3. Willander’s skating and defensive potential > Jiricek’s 5 on 5 liability concerns, poorer skater, and PP needs.

Jiricek’s potential as a big guy with offensive ability is nice, but unless we part ways with Hronek who’s basically developed as a top pair defenseman under us or we abandon Willander’s potential as an elite skating defensive backend, there’s no realistic succession for Jiricek here. And right now he doesn’t move the needle for us.

I used to be high on him, but his lack of growth defensively coupled with some grave concerns of his 5 on 5 game and entitlement issues is quite frankly off putting.

There’s also zero chance Columbus lets him go for anything less than 1st round pick and a solid prospect.

I'm always wary of the good player on a bad team... and he's on a bad team and hasn't even been a good player for them. Would not touch unless it was just to flip him for a better asset.

 

[theguardianII]

I don’t really get this Jiricek talk.

1. We have Willander.
2. We have Hronek.
3. Willander’s skating and defensive potential > Jiricek’s 5 on 5 liability concerns, poorer skater, and PP needs.

Jiricek’s potential as a big guy with offensive ability is nice, but unless we part ways with Hronek who’s basically developed as a top pair defenseman under us or we abandon Willander’s potential as an elite skating defensive backend, there’s no realistic succession for Jiricek here. And right now he doesn’t move the needle for us.

I used to be high on him, but his lack of growth defensively coupled with some grave concerns of his 5 on 5 game and entitlement issues is quite frankly off putting.

On the flip side, there’s zero chance Columbus lets him go for anything less than a 1st round pick and a solid prospect.

A bit of disagreement.

Willander hasn't signed yet, a and then it could be a couple of years needed for seasoning so it might be three years before he is seasoned enough. He might follow Jiricek' progress line.

Jiricek is now and might help THIS team immediately and for a decade if he is any good.

Not many fans/posters think that re-signing Hughes here is not a forgone conclusion but in the couch session skit with him they pointed out how tight his family is and that they all live together, with his brothers so there could be a real possibility of him leaving so having a potential immediate replacement already here and still subject to cap control may be smart. (There is also that snipped out interview comment by him right after his youngest brother was drafted about he can't wait until they all can play together, seen live then edited out)

Like Lekkerimaki, Tocchet has an aversion to younger inexperienced players, that assumes Tocchet will still be here

I remember Juloevi was going to be "Willander" that was a flop but Willander might not be as good as the hype.

It's obvious management wants a WIN NOW team, pretty much at all costs Jiricek at least looks a little to the future and right now.

During Benning's time here the team had loads or "promising prospects" but almost none played a single NHL game, but there was the hype for hope.

I do think both Lekkerimaki and Willander will play in the NHL but maybe not for Tocchet right away.

Jiricek is also buried behind some big contracts as well so not much NHL icetime. Broberg was buried that way as well and he has been a pleasant surprise for St Louis.

 

[ManVanFan]

I'm always wary of the good player on a bad team... and he's on a bad team and hasn't even been a good player for them. Would not touch unless it was just to flip him for a better asset.

He seems to also have character issues obviously. Sighting that because others get to play in the NHL and he thinks he's just as good as the reason why. I can see something of a McGroaty-Yager type trade going on with another team.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Honestly Jiricek for Hoglander isn’t all that far off, we have a young 20 goal scorer who isn’t seeing a tonne of PP time or top line minutes, most of his goals were even strength
We are adding but both Lekk and Willander IMO hold more value
Hoglander and EP 2 would be fair

 

[LemonSauceD]

I want Cole Sillinger more than Jiricek

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Can’t imagine Hoglander is with the Nucks for much longer.

He’s gone by the TDL at the latest. Sooner once Boeser and Miller are back.

 

[ManVanFan]

I want Cole Sillinger more than Jiricek

Cole Sillinger, was very high on my list before Benning went stupid. I always thought he would become another version of Miller. Doubt Canucks would want to pay that price for him.

 

[Jerry the great]

I want Cole Sillinger more than Jiricek

me too, but why would they trade him?

 

[Vector]

I want Cole Sillinger more than Jiricek

If we're just going to list Blue Jackets that I'd prefer over Jiricek, it's a fairly long list.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Honestly Jiricek for Hoglander isn’t all that far off, we have a young 20 goal scorer who isn’t seeing a tonne of PP time or top line minutes, most of his goals were even strength
We are adding but both Lekk and Willander IMO hold more value
Hoglander and EP 2 would be fair

Yes it is. Is this a joke. Big right handed defender that has put up really good stats in the AHL, for a small diminutive winger who the heck would make that trade. Are you trading Willander for Hoglander. They drafted him 6th overall in 2022.

 

[sting101]

Hoglander pick Desharnais for Provorov

 

[timw33]

Yes it is. Is this a joke. Big right handed defender that has put up really good stats in the AHL, for a small diminutive winger who the heck would make that trade. Are you trading Willander for Hoglander. They drafted him 6th overall in 2022.

Good offensive numbers, yes. Really underwhelming to bad defensive numbers in the AHL.

His footspeed and general mobility is a big problem.

 

[DFAC]

Hoglander pick Desharnais for Provorov

How is that going to work cap wise? Retention?

Isn't that a negative value package (except for the pick)?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

A bit of disagreement.

Willander hasn't signed yet, a and then it could be a couple of years needed for seasoning so it might be three years before he is seasoned enough. He might follow Jiricek' progress line.

Jiricek is now and might help THIS team immediately and for a decade if he is any good.

Not many fans/posters think that re-signing Hughes here is not a forgone conclusion but in the couch session skit with him they pointed out how tight his family is and that they all live together, with his brothers so there could be a real possibility of him leaving so having a potential immediate replacement already here and still subject to cap control may be smart. (There is also that snipped out interview comment by him right after his youngest brother was drafted about he can't wait until they all can play together, seen live then edited out)

Like Lekkerimaki, Tocchet has an aversion to younger inexperienced players, that assumes Tocchet will still be here

I remember Juloevi was going to be "Willander" that was a flop but Willander might not be as good as the hype.

It's obvious management wants a WIN NOW team, pretty much at all costs Jiricek at least looks a little to the future and right now.

During Benning's time here the team had loads or "promising prospects" but almost none played a single NHL game, but there was the hype for hope.

I do think both Lekkerimaki and Willander will play in the NHL but maybe not for Tocchet right away.

Jiricek is also buried behind some big contracts as well so not much NHL icetime. Broberg was buried that way as well and he has been a pleasant surprise for St Louis.

I think it's safe to assume that every Canuck coach in the last 30 years has had an aversion to playing younger, inexperienced players...and then get blamed for stunting their careers.

Hughes might not re-sign, Willander might suck, and take years to become an NHL player..?

What's with all the fear/ doomsaying based posting..Pretty soon you'll be posting that the players are 'eating the cats, eating the dogs..'.

 

[VanillaCoke]

They're not going to trade Desharnais already let that one go, they knew he was a project which is why he got multiple years.

He hasn't even played two seasons of nhl games yet, give him and the organization/coaches time to get settled, developed, video, practices, game reps etc.

For context brannstrom has a hundred and twenty more nhl games played than Desharnais ..

 

[sting101]

How is that going to work cap wise? Retention?

Isn't that a negative value package (except for the pick)?

Depends when they make the deal. I would think it's not happening until Xmas at the earliest so by then the cap space could off set. Could also send Brannstrom or Forbort if they want a expiring contract

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

The defense prospect I want from Columbus is Mateychuk.

 

[timw33]

I don’t really get this Jiricek talk.

1. We have Willander.
2. We have Hronek.
3. Willander’s skating and defensive potential > Jiricek’s 5 on 5 liability concerns, poorer skater, and PP needs.

Jiricek’s potential as a big guy with offensive ability is nice, but unless we part ways with Hronek who’s basically developed as a top pair defenseman under us or we abandon Willander’s potential as an elite skating defensive backend, there’s no realistic succession for Jiricek here. And right now he doesn’t move the needle for us.

I used to be high on him, but his lack of growth defensively coupled with some grave concerns of his 5 on 5 game and entitlement issues is quite frankly off putting.

On the flip side, there’s zero chance Columbus lets him go for anything less than a 1st round pick and a solid prospect.

Yeah it's making me feel a little crazy, and now you have bozo Taj boosting Jiricek hard while alluding that they should move Willander for him because Jiricek's ceiling is higher.

When Willander is on the ice, his team just not get scored on. His mobility and skating are top of class, and like others have mentioned, he projects like a RH Brodin or Faber type. These types are insanely more valuable than D men with flawed skating and flawed defensive play but puts up nice shiny counting stats.

Like, I don't think that Jiricek is a terrible prospect or anything, but we've got an extremely rare breed of RHD prospect in Willander that you just do not trade away for anything but a legit top-4 NHL D man with several years of team control. He may not play a game that shows up on the scoring logs every night, but god damn could he be a guy that quietly destroys 20+ minutes a night.

 

[VanillaCoke]

The defense prospect I want from Columbus is Mateychuk.

Which is why he's not the one available ..

 

[pitseleh]

Yeah it's making me feel a little crazy, and now you have bozo Taj boosting Jiricek hard while alluding that they should move Willander for him because Jiricek's ceiling is higher.

When Willander is on the ice, his team just not get scored on. His mobility and skating are top of class, and like others have mentioned, he projects like a RH Brodin or Faber type. These types are insanely more valuable than D men with flawed skating and flawed defensive play but puts up nice shiny counting stats.

Like, I don't think that Jiricek is a terrible prospect or anything, but we've got an extremely rare breed of RHD prospect in Willander that you just do not trade away for anything but a legit top-4 NHL D man with several years of team control. He may not play a game that shows up on the scoring logs every night, but god damn could he be a guy that quietly destroys 20+ minutes a night.

There was a case to be made last year that swapping Willander for Jiricek made sense because Jiricek better fit the Canucks’ timeline, but given their respective development I’m not sure that’s even the case at this stage.

 

[Peen]

They're not going to trade Desharnais already let that one go, they knew he was a project which is why he got multiple years.

He hasn't even played two seasons of nhl games yet, give him and the organization/coaches time to get settled, developed, video, practices, game reps etc.

For context brannstrom has a hundred and twenty more nhl games played than Desharnais ..

I don't think suggestions of trading Desharnais conflict with the idea that they knew he was a project.

To make the cap work, one of him or Forbort will likely need to be a part of a deal. It's just the cap reality of things. Maybe they deal a FWD instead like Suter or Heinen, but I doubt it.

 

[Vector]

There was a case to be made last year that swapping Willander for Jiricek made sense because Jiricek better fit the Canucks’ timeline, but given their respective development I’m not sure that’s even the case at this stage.

Yeah, a year ago I could squint and see the argument but not now. I much prefer Willander’s traits over Jiricek’s, though.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I don't think suggestions of trading Desharnais conflict with the idea that they knew he was a project.

To make the cap work, one of him or Forbort will likely need to be a part of a deal. It's just the cap reality of things. Maybe they deal a FWD instead like Suter or Heinen, but I doubt it.

The suggestions of trading him are just as silly as the suggestions they might trade either of those fwds.

Doubt they're trying to or going to trade either of the defensemen they just signed and haven't played twenty games with the franchise, they fit the mold the organization/coaches clearly want, are cheap, can both pk and have the tools to be effective relative to cost.

Hoglander seems like the most likely one on the way out if/when necessary.