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[Just A Bit Outside]

Dumoulin is slow but he's still effective and pulling positive goal differentials from top-pairing high-leverage minutes with a terrible Anaheim team. He'd be a big upgrade here.

I can now ride off into the sunset knowing a trade candidate I suggested got an approval from MS.

And by sunset, I mean tell my wife who will have no idea what I'm talking about and tell me to stop wasting my time posting on some silly board.

 

[Wisp]

with the cap set to rise so dramatically, players with term are suddenly interesting.

like, some of the d-men on the blues rosters that i would consider too volatile during flat cap... they are interesting now.

 

[credulous]

with the cap set to rise so dramatically, players with term are suddenly interesting.

like, some of the d-men on the blues rosters that i would consider too volatile during flat cap... they are interesting now.

colton parayko is a guy who could push this team over the top imo

 

[Wisp]

colton parayko is a guy who could push this team over the top imo

even faulk is interesting now.

that said, I don't watch the blues at all and am just stats creeping. i defer to posters who actually do as i could totally be out to lunch here.

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

This team needs another significant piece on the blue line that is not a rental. What about some kind of package for Sandhiem? He looked pretty good when we played against the Flyers. Good skater, heads up player that could play with Hronek or babysit Myers, or even Willander when he arrives.

 

[Flik]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859343861715509515

Dang, future Canucks HHOFer in 2065?

 

[I am toxic]

I can now ride off into the sunset knowing a trade candidate I suggested got an approval from MS.

And by sunset, I mean tell my wife who will have no idea what I'm talking about and tell me to stop wasting my time posting on some silly board.

I know this is grub's thread, but holy hell this post reminded me of eddy punch clock

 

[Wisp]

Dumoulin is a flip the puck off the glass type.

 

[ManVanFan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859351787431739608

 

[theguardianII]

This team needs another significant piece on the blue line that is not a rental. What about some kind of package for Sandhiem? He looked pretty good when we played against the Flyers. Good skater, heads up player that could play with Hronek or babysit Myers, or even Willander when he arrives.

I think they need size and playoff performers. Again, a guy like Lemieux or Zadorov that their game picks up in the show.
Willander might be too far down the line before he can make an impact, tocchet would want him to serve a while on the farm and then team needs help now.
Hronek disappeared and Hughes got worn out and worn down whereas Zadorov, Soucy and Myers games picked up quite a bit even Cole but he gave all he had.

Unless they trade away cap space any player is likely a rental due to the team paying 5.5 million for players to play on other teams.

Even if the cap does take a huge increase all that will do is increase salary expectations and some teams will be able to cash in with the space they have now. The Canucks would not be able to compete for high end FA's

Size matters especially in the real season so go big if possible.

One player with marginal NHL experience that is a RHD and 6'2 is Jirieck, small cap hit this year and due to the recent circumstances not a really big increase expected, also a RFA that can be sent down and still under cap control.

The better the quality traded the better the quality in return.

 

[ManVanFan]

23rd

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Have to think mgmt will inquire as to whether Carlo is available and if so, what’s the cost.

 

[LemonSauceD]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859351787431739608

I really like Sanheim and I think his contract + his age fits. I’m pretty sure he lives in B.C. as well during the off season.

Would need to do some cap gymnastics to pull it off.

 

[VanJack]

23rd

Wow! Craig Button comparing Tom Wilander to Charlie McAvoy and Brock Faber.....says he'll play in the NHL with the Canucks as soon as BU is eliminated this spring.

I realize that doesn't jive with what some other posters have opined on these boards.....but if indeed that scenario pans out, then maybe the Canucks don't have to blow the wad at the TDL to stock up on defensemen.

 

[kanucks25]

I really like Sanheim and I think his contract + his age fits. I’m pretty sure he lives in B.C. as well during the off season.

Would need to do some cap gymnastics to pull it off.

Sanheim would be the ideal target.

His cap hit isn't so high that they couldn't maneuver it in somehow, and it's cheap for what he brings overall.

Just don't see how you get him without Willander going the other way. Not sure if they'd be interested in 2x 1sts instead.

1st + Hog + Soucy likely does not interest Philly lol

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Wow! Craig Button comparing Tom Wilander to Charlie McAvoy and Brock Faber.....says he'll play in the NHL with the Canucks as soon as BU is eliminated this spring.

I realize that doesn't jive with what some other posters have opined on these boards.....but if indeed that scenario pans out, then maybe the Canucks don't have to blow the wad at the TDL to stock up on defensemen.

As much as that is great news, it comes from Button which means it contains a huge grain of salt.

 

[F A N]

@bossram from the previous thread:

No, we do fundamentally disagree. As I said, and I maintain this, since his Winnipeg days, he has never shown an ability to play in the top-four. Yes, there are certainly times he was asked to play top-four minutes. But he has never actually performed well in those minutes. I'm looking at his career GAR chart. Since 15-16 (first full season in WPG), he has never had a GAR above 1(!) for a single season. Not one season!

Yeah, he can be thrown in harder minutes. He just fails in them.

Like I said, there are three separate decisions: the decision to sign him, the decision not to trade him, and the decision to re-sign him. I agree that he was a bad signing and underperformed his contract.

We can also agree to disagree on whether Myers has shown the ability to be a #4 as opposed to a #5 but the fact is that he's averaged over 20 minutes in every single season of his career. He clearly has been utilized in a top 4 role under Tocchet and the majority of his time here. I don't think you disagree with this?

This is functionally the same as saying "there are few 6'8 defensemen". Any of them will have a "unique" skillset by the rarity of their frame in hockey. For whatever physical tools he has, he does not use them properly and this is why his performance (which is borne out by the metrics) have been so poor for his career. Myers is 10x more physical and a way more gifted skater than Adam Fox. But Fox is elite and Myers is not good. I care less about whatever "skillset" he has than actually being able to play.

You can move the height down to 6'6" or taller and it doesn't change the point and the point mas that Myers possesses a unique skillset. Whether the manages to make effective use of his skillset is irrelevant. If Myers was 6'2 he might be making near league minimum if he's still in the league.

Many were in favour of bringing him back. I was not in favour of bringing him back, but basically was at the stage of reluctant acquiescence because I knew he would be re-signed. Was just hoping it would be for cheaper, shorter, and hopefully able to play him on the third pair. Yes, I think he is miscast in the top-four. That much is obvious.

I feel the same way. It was easy to see that bringing back Myers was going to be an attractive option. I just take issue with saying that re-signing him is a mistake when he hasn't been put in a position to succeed and the re-signing was likely predicated on market conditions. It's not like we found a better replacement for the same money. We're paying Desharnais $2M AAV and he isn't as good as Myers.

 

[DFAC]

Sanheim would be the ideal target.

His cap hit isn't so high that they couldn't maneuver it in somehow, and it's cheap for what he brings overall.

Just don't see how you get him without Willander going the other way. Not sure if they'd be interested in 2x 1sts instead.

1st + Hog + Soucy likely does not interest Philly lol

Hog + Soucy might be negative value atm.

 

[Lat]

Wow! Craig Button comparing Tom Wilander to Charlie McAvoy and Brock Faber.....says he'll play in the NHL with the Canucks as soon as BU is eliminated this spring.

I realize that doesn't jive with what some other posters have opined on these boards.....but if indeed that scenario pans out, then maybe the Canucks don't have to blow the wad at the TDL to stock up on defensemen.

I think there are a number of posters here that are aligned and think Willander will be ready at the end of this BU season.

Unfortunately, this still does not predicate the potential need for a [preferably top 4] LD, which is probably the biggest need for the Canucks.

 

[David71]

Also throwing this out there...Ethan Bear is with Washington's AHL club right now.

he had some chemistry with hughes as well. could move the puck. but i think the ship has sailed.

 

[David71]

Montreal Canadiens star defenseman, who would be perfect fit for Vancouver Canucks, at center of trade buzz

Allvin and the Canucks have been linked to a number of defensemen in recent weeks.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[DFAC]

Montreal Canadiens star defenseman, who would be perfect fit for Vancouver Canucks, at center of trade buzz

Allvin and the Canucks have been linked to a number of defensemen in recent weeks.

www.yardbarker.com

Mike Matheson is a star defenseman now...?

 

[bossram]

@bossram from the previous thread:



Like I said, there are three separate decisions: the decision to sign him, the decision not to trade him, and the decision to re-sign him. I agree that he was a bad signing and underperformed his contract.

We can also agree to disagree on whether Myers has shown the ability to be a #4 as opposed to a #5 but the fact is that he's averaged over 20 minutes in every single season of his career. He clearly has been utilized in a top 4 role under Tocchet and the majority of his time here. I don't think you disagree with this?

You can move the height down to 6'6" or taller and it doesn't change the point and the point mas that Myers possesses a unique skillset. Whether the manages to make effective use of his skillset is irrelevant. If Myers was 6'2 he might be making near league minimum if he's still in the league.

I feel the same way. It was easy to see that bringing back Myers was going to be an attractive option. I just take issue with saying that re-signing him is a mistake when he hasn't been put in a position to succeed and the re-signing was likely predicated on market conditions. It's not like we found a better replacement for the same money. We're paying Desharnais $2M AAV and he isn't as good as Myers.

I've already acknowledged that Myers has played top-four minutes in his career. My main issue is that he doesn't perform well in them. You can't really call him a top-four defenseman if he is constantly overmatched when playing a top-four role.

"Whether he manages to make effective use of his skillset is irrelevant". Huh? How is this irrelevant? The point of having this "skillset" is that it makes him a better player. But he's not good! That's my point! I don't care if he's not good in a "unique" way. He's still not good! GMs keep making mistakes with him because they think they can leverage his toolkit, except he keeps delivering poor results!

Yes, he is miscast playing the minutes he is. That isn't his fault. It's Allvin's. Myers shouldn't have been re-resigned. The $3M would have been better allocated differently. Yeah, they're overpaying VD too. Had they allocated VD's $2M (or Forbort's $1.5M) + Myers' $3M, they could have acquired an actually good player. I'll take the L on VD, I thought he would be more effective (though he's been decent with Brannstrom and is a useful PKer - for now I would have him in the lineup over Juulsen).

 

[Bleach Clean]

Also throwing this out there...Ethan Bear is with Washington's AHL club right now.

Good buy low option. Maybe send Forbort their way.

Of the options mentioned, I like Pettersson, Carrier and Bear.

Bear would likely be an upgrade on Juulsen and could push Desharnais for a spot.

Pettersson brings the defensive acumen Matheson does not have. Also fits next to Myers.

If Soucy returns to form, Dumoulin probably isn't a significant enough upgrade to make the switch.

Carrier would outright take Desharnais' spot and could push Hronek for his spot. Unlikely to move though.

 

[F A N]

I've already acknowledged that Myers has played top-four minutes in his career. My main issue is that he doesn't perform well in them. You can't really call him a top-four defenseman if he is constantly overmatched when playing a top-four role.

I get that. Like I said, I really don't think we're fundamentally disagreeing on the assessment of the player. I called him a #4 and you have called him a #4/#5 in the past.

"Whether he manages to make effective use of his skillset is irrelevant". Huh? How is this irrelevant? The point of having this "skillset" is that it makes him a better player. But he's not good! That's my point! I don't care if he's not good in a "unique" way. He's still not good! GMs keep making mistakes with him because they think they can leverage his toolkit, except he keeps delivering poor results!

It's how players have traditionally been described. A player can play like a gentle giant (hence be said to not make full use of his size) yet be big and strong. Size matters and there's no doubt that Myers being 6'8" RHD who can log top 4 minutes, play 2nd unit PP, PK, and play a physical game has made him desirable to coaches and GMs.

Yes, he is miscast playing the minutes he is. That isn't his fault. It's Allvin's. Myers shouldn't have been re-resigned. The $3M would have been better allocated differently. Yeah, they're overpaying VD too. Had they allocated VD's $2M (or Forbort's $1.5M) + Myers' $3M, they could have acquired an actually good player. I'll take the L on VD, I thought he would be more effective (though he's been decent with Brannstrom and is a useful PKer - for now I would have him in the lineup over Juulsen).

What would you have suggested with Willander in the system and the team looking to compete? The team needed players in order to compete? Maybe Brendan Dhillon at $4M AAV? There aren't a whole lot of options out there. Upgrade options on the UFA market cost more AAV, term, or both.