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[Ernie]

JT being put on leave by management would’ve for sure been leaked to Dhali.

By who? Management? JT's agent? No incentive to do so.

 

[Quinning]

You can successfully retool when you get fair value or win trades, plus add ELC talent. That's what Washington has done.

Where you go wrong is losing dumbass trades and signing players to inflated cap hits and term.

 

[Diablo2020]

Since it's us or Minnesota, they'd have to pay to get him, or we keep him, and we know they want him.

In the unlikely event we don't sign him, and don't move him to minny, he's more valuable and would get a better return than Norris, whom we don't want.

Pretty straightforward.

Its not straight forward at all. The only reason I even propose it is because it'd be part of a chain of events.

In a vacumn, Boeser is worth more than Norris yes. With contract considerations, again Boeser as a UFA is worth more. With injury concerns, again Boeser is worth more.

But im my scenario above, I want center trade insurance. For all the "Hughes will leave if we trade our centers" crowd, I also want Hughes buddy insurance.

And I personally want to sell our centers for the best possible packages, without needing to ensure centers are the focus.

Boeser for Norris accomplishes a bunch of that. Maybe they add a pick or an Oskar Pettersson to keep our Petey levels up, I dunno.

 

[Diablo2020]

You can successfully retool when you get fair value or win trades, plus add ELC talent. That's what Washington has done.

Where you go wrong is losing dumbass trades and signing players to inflated cap hits and term.

Years ago out of nowhere with an already decent defense corps, Washington added Brooks Orpik and Matt Niskanen as UFAs.

This offseason, with already a decent defense corps, Washington added Jakub Chychrun and Matt Roy.

They literally have 8 defenseman that would be our 2nd or 3rd best.

Perfect example of play your cards right and you can retool and be a contender in one offseason. Everything I want us to do.

Sell these drama queens, use that capspace to fit in solid NHLers later, and be a force for years.

 

[Hodgy]

It's not Pettersson, despite outperforming Miller to this point.

FYI, Miller has a higher PPG this year (.89 to .82) albeit with better deployment and while being out of action for a sizeable period of the season.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Its not straight forward at all. The only reason I even propose it is because it'd be part of a chain of events.

In a vacumn, Boeser is worth more than Norris yes. With contract considerations, again Boeser as a UFA is worth more. With injury concerns, again Boeser is worth more.

But im my scenario above, I want center trade insurance. For all the "Hughes will leave if we trade our centers" crowd, I also want Hughes buddy insurance.

And I personally want to sell our centers for the best possible packages, without needing to ensure centers are the focus.

Boeser for Norris accomplishes a bunch of that. Maybe they add a pick or an Oskar Pettersson to keep our Petey levels up, I dunno.

If one really wanted norris for Hughes insurance (unnecessary imo) then just trade some junk for him, Ottawa prob wants out from under.

Either keep boeser or see what minny will give you if you're scared of his extension (unnecessary imo), and end up with Norris ++.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

 

[Bleach Clean]

FYI, Miller has a higher PPG this year (.89 to .82) albeit with better deployment and while being out of action for a sizeable period of the season.

On balance (deployment, possession and counting stats), I would take Pettersson's play over Miller this year.

 

[Diablo2020]

If one really wanted norris for Hughes insurance (unnecessary imo) then just trade some junk for him, Ottawa prob wants out from under.

Either keep boeser or see what minny will give you if you're scared of his extension (unnecessary imo), and end up with Norris ++.

I know i know its actually a bad example im just trying to show there's Hronek's out there we havent thought of that play center. And if we needed to make it tomorrow, salary is pretty much a wash IF it was Boeser.

Seems like alot of fans are stuck on the principles of "if you trade a 100 point center you need a 100 point center back"

And "oh we also need top 6 defenders"

So unless the proposed deal is Pettersson for Pettersson and Byram fans are going to find ways to poo poo it.

When in reality this is a management group who traded a centerman on a 40 goal pace for Aatu Raty and zero defensemen.

Who then used those assets to get a RHD we never even seen coming.

A management group who held out Miller at the deadline, healthy, because they were working on two 1st rounds picks and then what centermen they could get for said 1sts.

Fans need to start thinking like Iron Mike Keenan here. Its the only way we come out a contender 2026 after trading this core.

 

[Hodgy]

On balance (deployment, possession and counting stats), I would take Pettersson's play over Miller this year.

Ya, although Miller’s cap hit is less than 70% of Pettersson.

 

[brock hughes007]

Honestly Management has to put there foot down and show that they will not put up with this type of shit and trade both of them.This is embarrassing to the team and to the city.If not let's just continue to bring in whinny shitty attitude players and be an embarrassing team that no one will want to be involved in.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Ya, although Miller’s cap hit is less than 70% of Pettersson.

Who cares? The point was about their play.

 

[Hodgy]

Who cares? The point was about their play.

Everyone should care. A player’s performance can only be measured in context to their cap hit. If you are comparing Pettersson and Miller’s play you should consider their cap hits too.

 

[Canucker]

It’s going to be really funny when Hughes and EP come back from their injuries and we suddenly go on a tear and all of this is yesterday’s news.

 

[Diablo2020]

Everyone should care. A player’s performance can only be measured in context to their cap hit. If you are comparing Pettersson and Miller’s play you should consider their cap hits too.

No it can be attributed to what we know theyre capable of, regardless of salary.

We expect Pettersson to be a top center in the game because hes shown he can and "should" only continue to improve.

When he doesnt perform to his standards we get upset and question his game.

The salary ramifications are the GM and Owners problem. The coach just knows who is who on his depthchart, and these centers are supposed to be some of the best.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Everyone should care. A player’s performance can only be measured in context to their cap hit. If you are comparing Pettersson and Miller’s play you should consider their cap hits too.

But that's not the context of the original argument. Miller calling out the better player was. Pettersson has still outperformed him this year.

 

[Hodgy]

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But that's not the context of the original argument. Miller calling out the better player was. Pettersson has still outperformed him this year.

I mean, they’ve both been bad. And I’m not sure Pettersson has markedly out performed Miller, and at the end of the day, Miller had a higher PPG. So if you want to further define performance with reference to advanced stats or whatever, that’s fine, but we may as well also analyze it in the context of cap hits. Because, again, performance, without the context of the cap, is pretty meaningless.

 

[rypper]

I think that veteran was supposed to be Phil Kessel.

Still not sure why they didn’t sign him. They didn’t use that cap space for anyone else at the deadline.

They desperately needed another offensive winger option in the playoffs—but I feel like they needed another voice in the locker room more than anything else.

I don't think Phil Kessel is telling JT Miller to shut up and sit down in the locker room personally.

Last season it was (probably) Cole helping to keep guys in check. Maybe DeSmith somewhat too having been in some locker rooms if playoff teams . Zadorov is a big personality too. They say Myers is a the kind of guy everyone in the room loves but maybe he's not the guy giving hard conversations.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I mean, they’ve both been bad. And I’m not sure Pettersson has markedly out performed Miller, and at the end of the day, Miller had a higher PPG. So if you want to further define performance with reference to advanced stats or whatever, that’s fine, but we may as well also analyze it in the context of cap hits. Because, again, performance, without the context of the cap, is pretty meaningless.

You're overcomplicating this needlessly.

The difference in their PPG, especially with the Hughes deployment, should in no way embolden Miller to keep going here. The salary should be another tell to Miller that he is not that calibre of player.

 

[Hodgy]

You're overcomplicating this needlessly.

The difference in their PPG, especially with the Hughes deployment, should in no way embolden Miller to keep going here. The salary should be another tell to Miller that he is not that calibre of player.

I just pointed out that Miller was out scoring him. Then you started bringing in more context which is why I referenced cap hit. But I think they’ve both been bad and I don’t think either has really outperformed the other to a degree where it’s worth talking about.

 

[calnuck]

They should move Miller first for best offer heading into the deadline, and then revisit what to do with Pettersson pending what happens thereafter. I wouldn't move Pettersson until the summer after you see what he looks like without Miller. What if he blows the doors off? Then you can either keep him, or his value is even higher. I doubt his value goes much lower either way.

This is my line of thinking as well

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Norris is making 8 million dollars per year long term and has 52 points in his last 88 games.

Is he not a power play merchant too.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

It's going to be hilarious when we make no trades like when Allvin was first hired (not counting Hamonic and Dermott since those were minor) and we all lose our minds.

 

[Diablo2020]

Is he not a power play merchant too.

Yeah he makes 8 mill and might be a 50 point centerman over the last 80+.

Hes also 25 years old with a 35 goal season, mostly PP merchanting, and has taken the most draws on the Sens this year with a 54.3% while not missing a game to injury.

He's a flawed player thats why he might be available. Everybody wants to be Vegas and Tampa Bay and Florida but is unwilling to take on risks.

If Canuck fans had a week to think about Filip Hronek we would have talked ourselves out of it somehow.

 

[Jerry the great]

Let’s see if it works this time.

Joel Eriksson Ek. Oh man I would love to trade JT Miller for Joel Eriksson Ek!

you're dreaming.