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[TruGr1t]

I highly doubt they trade Pettersson, namely because of the Eichel-type comparisons. It has way too high a potential to blow-up in their faces. Miller is probably the guy due to age, I wouldn't expect him to maintain his elite level of play past ~2 season. I would suspect Miller may waive for a number of major US markets.

 

[Hodgy]

Zibanejad’s on-ice numbers fell off massively last year and haven’t rebounded this year. Good chance he is cooked at this stage.

That Islanders pick is 5th overall right now. That’s a package I think you’d have to look long and hard at - the first can likely get you a quality young centre on top of Dobson as a return.

As much as I don't like it as a fan of offensive hockey, I also think Tocchett's system is way more defense oriented, and I wonder whether we'd benefit from having a more stacked top four (Hughes, Hronek, Dobson, Willander) vs. a stacked top two centres. Ironically, the Islanders kind of tried that approach without much success.

I highly doubt they trade Pettersson, namely because of the Eichel-type comparisons. It has way too high a potential to blow-up in their faces. Miller is probably the guy due to age, I wouldn't expect him to maintain his elite level of play past ~2 season. I would suspect Miller may waive for a number of major US markets.

I also just don't think Allvin would make those public statements if they were planning, right now, on trading Pettersson.

 

[TruGr1t]

I also just don't think Allvin would make those public statements if they were planning, right now, on trading Pettersson.

Yeah, I don't think they have any interest in trading Pettersson. Unless someone drastically overpays. Miller I think they're rethinking it, and could make that move.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Understand the interest in Dobson but I would be just as interested in Romanov.

Also, I’d be ok with JPG as a 2C stop gap for another year to make the math work.

Potential Top 5 pick could net you an excellent F prospect or Schaefer.

So JPG, Dobson/Romanov + 2025 1st unprotected would be a deal I think I’d be ok with for EP. Throw in Casey if needed to make $$ work.

Still prefer a deal with CBJ though.

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

I can see why Chicago would look to add a big piece like Miller. They need someone significant to support Bedard. They tanked too hard and it's affecting the psychology of the players.

I don't really know much about Chicago's system but I get the feeling we would be getting a lot of futures back with all the picks they've been stockpiling over the last couple seasons. Doesn't really fit our "win now" direction but might be worth considering if we're getting those futures at pennies on the dollar.

 

[pitseleh]

As much as I don't like it as a fan of offensive hockey, I also think Tocchett's system is way more defense oriented, and I wonder whether we'd benefit from having a more stacked top four (Hughes, Hronek, Dobson, Willander) vs. a stacked top two centres. Ironically, the Islanders kind of tried that approach without much success.

Yeah, I think it only makes sense if you then put together a big offer for someone like Brady Tkachuk. Canucks need a top-6 caliber forward already as it is.

I also have a hard time seeing keeping all of Hronek, Dobson and Willander around making sense too unless one can move to the left side. With Hughes on PP1, you’ve got three RS defenders who will be splitting ~55 mins of ice time.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I can see why Chicago would look to add a big piece like Miller. They need someone significant to support Bedard. They tanked too hard and it's affecting the psychology of the players.

I don't really know much about Chicago's system but I get the feeling we would be getting a lot of futures back with all the picks they've been stockpiling over the last couple seasons. Doesn't really fit our "win now" direction but might be worth considering if we're getting those futures at pennies on the dollar.

Miller would lose his mind playing for the Hawks.

 

[Diversification]

If it’s NYR, we’d be better off with a package of K’AM and Chytil and a pick. We’re not going to get Laf or Schneider. They are retooling.

Personally, I’d prefer K’AM and Lindgren so as not to tie up capspace down the line. But that sort of trade means we’re effectively giving up on this season.

 

[ManVanFan]

Are 5v5 goals overrated or are Petey and Miller 4th liners now?

I think guy might have got it wrong.

 

[Vector]

Talking to Kypreos & Bourne Yesterday

• Had never done Toronto radio before
• Jokes with Brough about sucking up to them; “Gotta loosen these guys up, Brough!”
• Likes the undrafted NHLers the most (Kypreos was undrafted) and likes reading their books
• Understands there’s people in Vancouver that don’t like Ron Maclean but it was a pleasure to meet him; when he thinks about pure broadcasting, calls him a legend; whether you like someone or not, always respect the job

Demko

• Heard last night that Demko’s injury not super serious and should be okay

Lankinen

• Will probably have to go out of their comfort zone to re-sign him
• Can re-sign him now that January 1st has passed
• Believes that his camp was looking for close to 2m as a back-up and lowered it to 1.5m
• Is going to get a big raise and term; already gave the Canucks a discount this season
• Really hard to come up with a contract number right now
• Wonders if he is interested in re-signing if Demko is the long-term starter

Boeser

• Was told a lot of work to do when he checked in earlier this week
• Term is going to be an issue
• Wonders if the Canucks worry about his footspeed at the end of his next contract
• If they don’t have a deal with him before the trade deadline, they have no choice but to trade him
• Would not say pretty far but doesn’t have specifics
• Would be very surprised if they went to 8 years with him
• Lose him and will need to replace the goals

Misc.

• Will be very interesting to see what this team looks like at the end of January
• Schedule is much harder this month
• Trade deadline is 5 weeks away by the end of January
• Doesn’t see the Canucks catching the top-2 spots in the Pacific Division

Miller & Pettersson

• May be impossible but the Canucks need to quiet the noise; are the talk of the NHL for the wrong reasons
• Glad Brad Richardson mentioned the tensions in the locker room because he’s a guy who was their teammate; played 17 games with them and could see the problems
• Allvin accomplished two things with that interview; a message to Pettersson to get going and a message to the rest of the league to get there offers in in-case the Canucks decide to trade him later
• Will keep listening in-case they decide to trade them later
• Right now, the goal may be to keep both

New York Rangers

• Rangers and Canucks are talking about a lot of things; not just Miller
• Pieces on both roster that both teams are interested in
• Has said for two years that the Canucks like Alexis Lafreniere & Braden Schneider

J.T. Miller

• Wonders if teams would back off on Miller due to his issues with Pettersson
• Was told last night to “cool the jets on the Miller stuff”
• Miller hasn’t asked for a trade
• Was told last night Miller does not have a favourite city he would waive his NMC for
• Miller is focused on playing for the Canucks
• Those around the league don’t think the Canucks have the chutzpah to trade Pettersson
• Agents on the Canucks are getting a laugh out of some of the rumours floating around

Willander

• Has had a very good WJC tournament
• Very active stick at the worlds and has impressed scouts
• Swedish coach is very happy with him
• Would be very surprised if Willander doesn’t sign with the Canucks after this season
• Most people he’s talked to have said he’s pro-ready
• Teams are asking for Willander and they won’t trade him

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

Miller would lose his mind playing for the Hawks.

With Miller it feels like he could go either way. He might become a toxic mess or embrace being the unchallenged alpha dog that gets to tell everyone what to do. And he gets to live in a major US city.

 

[pitseleh]

I can see why Chicago would look to add a big piece like Miller. They need someone significant to support Bedard. They tanked too hard and it's affecting the psychology of the players.

I don't really know much about Chicago's system but I get the feeling we would be getting a lot of futures back with all the picks they've been stockpiling over the last couple seasons. Doesn't really fit our "win now" direction but might be worth considering if we're getting those futures at pennies on the dollar.

No idea if they’d be open to trading him but Wyatt Kaiser looks really interesting. They already have Vlasic and Korchinski as LS defenders so he could become expendable.

 

[Jerry the great]

Zibanejad’s on-ice numbers fell off massively last year and haven’t rebounded this year. Good chance he is cooked at this stage.

That Islanders pick is 5th overall right now. That’s a package I think you’d have to look long and hard at - the first can likely get you a quality young centre on top of Dobson as a return.

I think the chances of Lou sticking that unprotected first in play is very low considering the year they're having. The chances of him putting both the first and Dobson in the same pot are immeasurably low IMO.

If he was willing to do that deal for Pettersson it's a no brainer IMO. A top 5 pick to a rebuilding team is incredibly valuable and could likely be flipped for something that helps us now.

I mentioned a similar deal with Buffalo for the same reason, and they probably have a bigger appetite for high end talent signed to a long term deal....AND their GM is way more likely to do something generous.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Talking to Kypreos & Bourne Yesterday

• Had never done Toronto radio before
• Jokes with Brough about sucking up to them; “Gotta loosen these guys up, Brough!”
• Likes the undrafted NHLers the most (Kypreos was undrafted) and likes reading their books
• Understands there’s people in Vancouver that don’t like Ron Maclean but it was a pleasure to meet him; when he thinks about pure broadcasting, calls him a legend; whether you like someone or not, always respect the job

Demko

• Heard last night that Demko’s injury not super serious and should be okay

Lankinen

• Will probably have to go out of their comfort zone to re-sign him
• Can re-sign him now that January 1st has passed
• Believes that his camp was looking for close to 2m as a back-up and lowered it to 1.5m
• Is going to get a big raise and term; already gave the Canucks a discount this season
• Really hard to come up with a contract number right now
• Wonders if he is interested in re-signing if Demko is the long-term starter

Boeser

• Was told a lot of work to do when he checked in earlier this week
• Term is going to be an issue
• Wonders if the Canucks worry about his footspeed at the end of his next contract
• If they don’t have a deal with him before the trade deadline, they have no choice but to trade him
• Would not say pretty far but doesn’t have specifics
• Would be very surprised if they went to 8 years with him
• Lose him and will need to replace the goals

Misc.

• Will be very interesting to see what this team looks like at the end of January
• Schedule is much harder this month
• Trade deadline is 5 weeks away by the end of January
• Doesn’t see the Canucks catching the top-2 spots in the Pacific Division

Miller & Pettersson

• May be impossible but the Canucks need to quiet the noise; are the talk of the NHL for the wrong reasons
• Glad Brad Richardson mentioned the tensions in the locker room because he’s a guy who was their teammate; played 17 games with them and could see the problems
• Allvin accomplished two things with that interview; a message to Pettersson to get going and a message to the rest of the league to get there offers in in-case the Canucks decide to trade him later
• Will keep listening in-case they decide to trade them later
• Right now, the goal may be to keep both

New York Rangers

• Rangers and Canucks are talking about a lot of things; not just Miller
• Pieces on both roster that both teams are interested in
• Has said for two years that the Canucks like Alexis Lafreniere & Braden Schneider

J.T. Miller

• Wonders if teams would back off on Miller due to his issues with Pettersson
• Was told last night to “cool the jets on the Miller stuff”
• Miller hasn’t asked for a trade
• Was told last night Miller does not have a favourite city he would waive his NMC for
• Miller is focused on playing for the Canucks
• Those around the league don’t think the Canucks have the chutzpah to trade Pettersson
• Agents on the Canucks are getting a laugh out of some of the rumours floating around

Willander

• Has had a very good WJC tournament
• Very active stick at the worlds and has impressed scouts
• Swedish coach is very happy with him
• Would be very surprised if Willander doesn’t sign with the Canucks after this season
• Most people he’s talked to have said he’s pro-ready
• Teams are asking for Willander and they won’t trade him

This is why I think targeting a young LHD makes more sense than a RHD in any trade.

Based on how Willander is progressing and the faith the organization has in him, he could very well slot in next year.

So to me it makes more sense to acquire a LHD.

Hughes-Willander
New Player-Hronek

Would look like very nice as a Top 4.

Soucy, Myers, etc can slot in as a 3rd pairing.

 

[wonton15]

Yeah, JT will either hate or love playing for a rebuilding Chicago. There’s no between — kind of like JT himself… maybe there IS a fit here

 

[thecupismine]

Dobson still doesn’t make much sense to me as a target. He’s a guy that needs PP time to see the value he’d be looking for in his next contract, and when healthy he’d be on PP2 with Hronek.

 

[Nick Lang]

Former players like Gadzic and Richardson, and Canucks management/coaches, seems to love the way Miller conduct himself and talk glowingly about it. I think it's a hockey culture thing, where yelling at each other, "showing emotions", etc are looked upon as great leadership and is how you hold guys accountable. I mean we had psychos like Keenan and Babcock coaching not too long ago, and some pretty shady characters like Messier and Toews hailed as some of the greatest leaders. While society came a long way with dealing with each other on a human level, I don't think hockey has kept up. This all bodes well for guys like JT but bad for players like Petey. If you are a skilled player but not one of those old school temperament, you really need the mental fortitude of the Sedins to survive in this culture.

That's the whole thing though. Hockey is not like society. It's an archaic construct that follows it's own made up rules as part of a game. It's a dangerous sport that requires a mental and outward shield to protect you out there. In order to get to the next level you need players who are willing to do to the tough things like get excited, get angry at the opposition, get serious with their own players, drag others into the fight. It's more like a war out there than society to be honest. Not everyone can be like Sakic and Tanev out there skating around cool as a cucumber. So yeah hockey definitely doesn't reflect much at all in the way of civil mental growth. It's not supposed to. We'll be left with old timers hockey if that happens.

Personally I have no problem at all with that and prefer players like that. With Miller I have no problem with him being emotional and gruff. It's the quitting on plays continually, lack of effort, defensive lapses, crossing the line with negativity towards teammates, and not playing a team game that irks me about him. Great player, when focused a top 10 type guy. On the downside a cancer in the room and on the ice.

I don't really think you have to be some special player to survive in that culture. Most NHLers have no problems with it.

I can see why Petey is isolated in the locker room and in the organization. I still think Petey has elite talent but more and more I think he needs a perfect environment (for him) to reach that level, and unfortunately it doesn't look like it is here, unless there are massive organizational changes.

I still think people are missing the big picture here. Petey was just fine for large periods here without perfect environments. Obviously it was not a problem then. People need to understand that players performance is not linear and give them a chance to work it out. I have a real hard time believing a guy who finished 19th and 10th the last two seasons while averaging 96 points (ppg in career with Miller as a teammate) is washed up or suddenly can't play hockey in the same environment. It does not compute. It seems like this issue is taking on a life of it's own around here that's not even accurate.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-y...ders-noah-dobson-lou-lamoriello-patrik-allvin

Canucks interested in Noah Dobson.

Said they also like Danny Nelson.

I would love to have a younger Brock Nelson on this team. I've thought he's exactly the type of piece we need. Large bodied sniper who delivers. Unfortunately he's getting a little long in the tooth now. This trade is a complete pipe dream though. No way we can fit a $10 mil cap hit on defence moving forward.

 

[TruGr1t]

Bit surprised by the rumours Miller has some interest from rebuilding teams. You better be darn sure he's not going to go "Pettersson" on Bedard if you're acquiring him. Some of the more veteran teams would make some sense if they have established leadership groups etc.

I am starting to think a Miller trade is potentially possible, whereas previously I didn't think they'd move either until at least the summer.

 

[StickShift]

This is why I think targeting a young LHD makes more sense than a RHD in any trade.

Based on how Willander is progressing and the faith the organization has in him, he could very well slot in next year.

So to me it makes more sense to acquire a LHD.

Hughes-Willander
New Player-Hronek

Would look like very nice as a Top 4.

Soucy, Myers, etc can slot in as a 3rd pairing.

I think we need to tap the brakes of Willander playing top-four minutes next year. He will be transitioning from a college cadence of games to playing every other night.

It would not be good for his mental or physical development to play that many minutes that often as a rookie.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

If Chicago is interested, Sam Rinzel looks like a very interesting player to acquire in a deal.

 

[Cheeks Clapinski]

Maybe Miller can scream Bedard into a Canucks jersey

 

[TruGr1t]

Demko

• Heard last night that Demko’s injury not super serious and should be okay

Lankinen

• Will probably have to go out of their comfort zone to re-sign him
• Can re-sign him now that January 1st has passed
• Believes that his camp was looking for close to 2m as a back-up and lowered it to 1.5m
• Is going to get a big raise and term; already gave the Canucks a discount this season
• Really hard to come up with a contract number right now
• Wonders if he is interested in re-signing if Demko is the long-term starter

To me, Lankinen and Demko is a fairly binary choice. If you're signing Lankinen to anything resembling market worth over 5+ years, you're basically declaring you're moving off Demko. I don't think Lankinen is signing anywhere to be a back-up at this point.

 

[StickShift]

For better or worse—I imagine that Chicago would want a JT Miller deal built around Seth Jones.

 

[ManVanFan]

I think we need to tap the brakes of Willander playing top-four minutes next year. He will be transitioning from a college cadence of games to playing every other night.

It would not be good for his mental or physical development to play that many minutes that often as a rookie.

The past couple years, lots of NCAA D have come and had very good seasons for rookies playing lots of minutes. It's the sophomore slump that gets them. Haha.

 

[Jerry the great]

One team I haven't heard about being interested in Miller but absolutely would be is the Philadelphia Flyers.

They have no #1 C and nobody really in the pipeline who's on the right trajectory to get there.

They also have a surplus of left shot defenders and three 1st round picks.

maybe something like Miller and Hoglander for:

York
Frost
Cates
PHI 1st (currently 12th)