How can people who watched this team over the last few years look at Panarin and NOT think he's a problem? The guy does what he wants, plays how he wants, never gets benched and never has to answer to the media. I know he's our best offensive player but come on, be realistic.
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Guyute
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He’s a problem on our team because we don’t have any leadership.
EF told a story about the Panthers on a 32 Thoughts podcast last week. Apparently, Schmidt turned over a puck with a hope play in the neutral zone during a preseason game and one of the players told him “We don’t do that here”. EF didn’t know who said it, but it supposedly was one of Barkov, Bennett, or Reinhardt.
There’s no accountability with the Rangers.
Yep. The players are coddled and treated like kings when they haven't won shit. Just look at Mika's end of the year interview, the guy didn't give two shits about the year the team had. I don't think there is a single guy on the team who even cares about not making the playoffs. The organization isn't serious about winning and it reflects on the players. Nobody gives a shit
LaffyTaffy13
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1) hes played with a lot of different guys. That is a conspiracy theory
2) he speaks with media. Barely speaks english tho
Would it really be a shock if this team catered to Panarin and let him play with who he wants to play with? Everybody says players love NY. Of course they do, they get treated like gods and they don't have to win a single thing or answer any hard questions. It would have been nice to hear one of the players say "missing the playoffs is unacceptable and we embarassed ourselves and we embarassed the city of NY and we stole money from our fans who pay good hard earned money to watch us get dominated every night". Or something along those lines. This team is full of shit
Panarin Miller Zibanejad
Lafreniere Trocheck Perreault
Frederic Parssinen Othmann
Rempe Edstrom Berard
kinda meh
Lafreniere Trocheck Perreault
Frederic Parssinen Othmann
Rempe Edstrom Berard
kinda meh
I know Mika looked good at RW with Miller but i feel like having him at center makes us a more balanced team. Can he even produce at center anymore? Who knows but idk if Parssinen is ready for 3C duties. Miller-Trocheck-Mika-Edstrom/Parssinen might be the way to go
the C make more sense with Zib at 2C and Troch at 3C.
Panarin Miller Cuylle
Lafreniere Zibanejad Perreault
Frederic Trocheck Othmann
Edstrom Parssinen Berard
Looks a little better but i just feel like we are missing something at forward. I would also put Berard on the 3rd line and move Othmann or Frederic down. I think Berard can be a big time player under Sullivan. He needs to play
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Not to mention he had 120 the year prior. If he can score 120 with no pride he’s an alien. Ridiculous take.
Anyone who doesn’t think that size and strength are important should check out the Carolina/ the Florida series. The Panthers are taking apart the Moneyball Hurricanes. That the team you will have to beat in the east the next few years.
Drury needs to copy that Panthers way of building a team. Barkov and Lundell. 2 players built through the draft. Both are center. I wish the Rangers had better scouts in the organization. That would help build a consistent aggressive playoff team.
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Not sure why some people are using FLA's dismantling of CAR as some sort of victory lap for anti-analytics. FLA are also one of the most dominant teams in the league as far as analytics are concerned.
Every time a team has a succession of good playoff runs and wins a cup or 2, everyone else tries to copy them, and the teams that end up winning are the ones that find the counterpunch to that style of play. Rinse and repeat. What would be really nice is if we found the next big way to win; whatever that happens to be. One can dream.
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And then Lafreniere would be a monster on Florida, and we'd have pushed Lundell out of the organization by now.
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Dolan sucks!!!
90% of the posters on this board, the Ranger fans on X and in The Athletic comments section don't think size and strength are important.
The majority of the 90% are so deeply ingrained in the moneyball analytic numbers. Even some of the Rangers beat writers like Vince Mercogliano and Peter Baugh are deep believers. Vince rattles off these numbers on his podcast and it's time to either fast forward or stop listening all together.
I don’t think anyone thinks size and strength aren’t important…
But size and strength can’t be the only things they’re good at. early rempe for example.
Speed is important. The panthers aren’t small, but they’re also fast enough to play with anyone.
Parsinnen is big and strong, and struggles in the NHL.
Kakko was one of the strongest guys we had in corners and board battles. Look at his career.
I think everyone agrees those things are important but we can't just put 18 Rempe's on the ice. We have our skill guys too and we need a better mixture of skill/size up and down the lineup. Doesn't mean you trade everyone who is under 6'1 200 pounds. I know people think we have the worst team to ever exist but we do have some good players on this team.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Because Florida is dismantling everyone.
Clearly what they are doing is right. It doesn't change that analytics are important, but so are results. Which is why the Spammicanes have lost 14 straight ECF games.
I do agree with you on your last point. The Rangers always try to copy whatever the last winning style of play was, after the rest of the league had already adjusted to it.
I admit it could break as you describe
and what I am proposing requires major balls on both sides, so I can see your no.
But that said, I disagree w/what you said, in manner of degree.
"They might need a RD but they don't need Schneider specifically."
True, but Schneid is undervalued here imo and checks off many boxes. IF they don't go this way and add quality D immed in Schned and also signif, add around the corner Emery, there is an opportunity cost to them for that.
Just like there is an opportunity cost to paying my price here.
They need AMPLE D solutions, incl IMMEDIATE RD, and those guys have to be not nec elite but higher end.
How many guys like that are out there AND ARE AVAILABLE?
And if available at all, the cost is gonna be crazy high.
So pick yr poison, LA:
- keep By, get squeezed on Gav to pt you can't match, and risk total bust b'c no fallback when Doughty is fully cooked this season
- or take a step back on By + to lesser extent Hel., but get all yr D resolved, lean a bit more Kopitar, look at Nelson, Granlund etc as ufa stopgaps
- do an alternate to what I prop -- but can you get better terms?
"There are other options besides Schneider so if the price is Byfield to acquire a RD, they will 1000% balk"
It is not By for Schneid 1:1 and those options are not cost free.
Whether they should pay the By price should be based on best of multiple options
also, acknowledge, KEEPING BY has a price too!
"They will keep Byfield over Gavrikov."
They need ALL their D and gracefully jettison Doughty
"They can find a LD replacement over shipping Byfield to resolve."
Getting LD to replace Gav who shoots lefty but plays either side, is gonna likely result in a downgrade from Gav, and the better the replacement, logically the higher cost in trade paid to acquire. AND it does NOTHING to address K's disaster waiting to happen on RD
"They will have to exhaust like 50 different options before they consider it."
yeah, no, not so much in totality of circumstances.
I think some variant of this is attractive enuf for Ks to take the plunge
This would be more than a major wince for Rs, but adding By + Hel [to partner w/Eds + Remp] = dramatic step to resolving F issues
LaffyTaffy13
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Panarin plays with whoever they tell them yo haha. Where do you come up with these conspiracy theories? He played with colin f***in blackwell
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The Rangers are a bigger and heavier (height/weight) than either Florida, Carolina, or Edmonton.
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Panarin is the last guy on this team to be complaining about. The very last.
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