Interesting. For the record I’d prefer they go with a couple of younger pieces that can grow with the team. I honestly don’t think that’s how this management team will see it.
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MY wife does say it is bullying but call it JT Miller wanting to win and knows that he needs Petey to do that, so JT is hard on Petey in an attempt to push him to greatness. What JT probably doesn't understand is that it's not effective on all people.
Zibanejad is a significantly worse player than Miller while being the same age and a higher cap hit. I can see Zibanejad coming back but with a substantial asset attached.
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I (like everyone else in here) don't really know what any of them are doing, or not doing (other than being successful at their jobs currently), so I don't know if this is legit beef, or if it's just soft annoyance thats been blown out of proportion...I'm sure Tocchet and his staff have a handle on who is who, and who may, or may not be a problem child. It will likely get worked out one way or another, if it turns out it needs to be....I'm still not convinced the problem is large enough to warrant a split.
I do see that point of view but it's been going on for 4 years and it has not worked, and now has seemingly pushed this team to the edge of a cliff. Two other teams saw the question marks with JT and cut him loose, but Vancouver has ignored the bullying, hired the perfect coach for him, and put him on a pedestal.
If it comes down to something like Buff throwing Kane's suit in the showers. Yeah maybe a split is coming.
Tocchet brought in to "rein" in Miller. Instead they became besties it seems.... has worked though. Tocchet's style is much more suited to Miller than Petey. Tocchet is too Tort's for me. Tort's has clashed with a lot of players over the years. You could probably find a coach with a strong structure that would work for all players.
Why do you have a thing that no one ever said in quotes?
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Miller had some maturation issues with NYR, but he wasn't cut loose from Tampa because of behavioural issues..so you're pushing a false narrative there.
Are some of the underachieving big stars on the team being held accountable for demonstrating a lack of heart and passion..It obviously eats Miller up, Tochet was the same way when he was a player.
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I can understand mgmt asking for Laf.
But would be idiotic if they are not interested in KAM.
Only way that makes sense if they are hung up on getting Schneider.
But would be idiotic if they are not interested in KAM.
Only way that makes sense if they are hung up on getting Schneider.
They might just mean not interested in KAM + picks as the main piece coming back in a deal.
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It's easy to slip from hearing reports of someone badgering someone else and leaping to the word "bullying," but I don't think we can really put that label on it with any certainty. Picking your post at random, but I'm seeing that word used more and more on here. It's kind of a subjective term. I seriously doubt Pettersson would be throwing around a term like that, so I don't know why we should. Again, despite some information leaking out, we really have no idea what it's really like in that room, much less what it's like in Pettersson's head. The information has been somewhat contradictory, to boot.
I know it keeps changing it on me and I just am not noticing.
Here's your quote, from a CA article.
A lot of noise was made about how Tocchet was being brought in to, among other things, reign in a volatile J.T. Miller defensively.
Also from an old article.
“It’s going to be tough because there’s a lot to sort out, but once you gain some traction, that market will change. I was told on my first day by Marc and Brian Burke when I came to Vancouver that it’s the toughest place you’ll ever work, but it’s also the best place you’ll ever work. “I’ll never forget that.”
There was a debate the other day about Van being a tough market.
“It’s going to be tough because there’s a lot to sort out, but once you gain some traction, that market will change. I was told on my first day by Marc and Brian Burke when I came to Vancouver that it’s the toughest place you’ll ever work, but it’s also the best place you’ll ever work. “I’ll never forget that.”
There was a debate the other day about Van being a tough market.
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this is the only scenario i’ve seen so far that actually appeals to me
farfetched, but damn. philly got an A-/B+ roster player and a high level guy ready to contribute on an ELC for each of carter and richards. can you imagine subtracting petey and miller from this team, but adding young voracek and wayne simmonds on the cusp of breaking out, and rookie brayden schenn and sean couturier?
then we could spend the rest of the offseason reinvesting the forward glut into our blueline.
The medical staff has been sus, it’s not just one instance.
Mik, Peter, Hronek, Hughes and Miller.
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Here's Rick Dhaliwal's interview with Kypreos and Bourne where he mentions the Canucks didn't have much interest in K'Andre Miller in the past.
Pettersson & Miller
- Goes back as far as when Travis Green was coach
- The media didn’t start this round of rumours, it was Allvin
- 3 months into a mega-deal and they are already threatening him with a trade
- Allvin’s comments are meant to be a wake-up call to Pettersson but also
- a a message to the rest of the NHL to get more offers in-case they move him
- Sometimes he expect the Canucks expect Pettersson to act like Sidney Crosby when it comes to work ethic and practice habits
- Was told about the 4 Nations Tournament that the Americans need someone like Miller to face the Canadians
- Teams were calling Miller about when he was on his leave of absence and the Canucks told his agent they were receiving calls; was made clear that Miller wasn’t going to ask for a trade
- If the Canucks decide to move Miller, it will be their decision not Miller’s
- Chatter around the Canucks is very very high
- One team told Dhaliwal they are checking in on Vancouver just to see who’s available
- Canucks are listening to everyone who calls
- Not sure that a decision has been made to move either Miller or
- Someone told him that it would make more sense for the Canucks to trade one of them in the off-season
- One person close to the situation told him it is clearly becoming a distraction for the Canucks
- Had discussed Miller in years past
- Canucks have asked for Alexis Lafreniere and Braden Schneider before
- Had not been interested in K’Andre Miller but doesn’t know if that’s the same now, things could have changed
- Looking for a top-4 defenceman but they are expensive
- Rutherford can strike at any time
- Penguins want a 1st round pick for Marcus Pettersson and the Canucks, not in a good position, don’t want to trade theirs yet
- Only played 17 games in 2021 with Miller & Pettersson and he could feel the tension
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kam fills no holes. they have hughes, soucy for at least one more year and three promising left handed dmen in the pipeline. kam is also a pending rfa and needs to be qualified at $4m.
schneider otoh replaces desharnais at the same salary next year as well and leapfrogs myers and juulsen.
when you consider we have $5.5m in buyout penalty next season it's not even close to which they should target.
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Soucy is a 3rd pair dman who can play 2nd line minutes in a pinch.
Kud and EP2 are nowhere near Top 4 capable at the NHL atm.
Willander could potentially jump into Top 4 minutes on the right side as early as next year.
KAM can easily slot into 2nd pairing as LHD immediately.
His value is also likely a good bit lower than it used to be.
I also think the Rags value Schneider more than KAM.
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my pie in the sky conspiracy theory of the day is the canucks will see if a deal can be done with boeser and if they can't they will talk to the rangers about boeser and miller.
the rangers obviously want to move out either kreider or zib. canucks can't do that in a miller trade and also take on lafreniere's new deal next season unless they walk from boeser so why not trade him now?
the rangers then get the shakeup they want but will have to add significantly to the pot to pay for boeser and miller.
the rangers obviously want to move out either kreider or zib. canucks can't do that in a miller trade and also take on lafreniere's new deal next season unless they walk from boeser so why not trade him now?
the rangers then get the shakeup they want but will have to add significantly to the pot to pay for boeser and miller.
