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[theguardianII]

Does my favorite poster have me blocked?

You can block posters?

 

[theguardianII]

Marshall McLuhan famously said that the medium is the message, by which he meant that the mode of conveyance warrants as much scrutiny as the message conveyed. If we apply this principle to Allvin's comments re: Pettersson we have the following:

The message was conveyed at a year-end review of the Canucks that occurred on Sportsnet and was conducted by crypto-journalist and unofficial team mouthpiece, Iain MacIntyre. Allvin knew well ahead of time that there would be this scheduled interview, that it would be held on friendly ground and that the organization would a have a good deal of control over what would be discussed.

That is to say, what was divulged had been carefully vetted and was by no means off-the-cuff. It's for this reason that I don't believe what he said about Pettersson was out of frustration and a last-ditch effort to embarrass a player into getting with the program. He may genuinely feel that way but it seems too emotional and too self-indulgent for this management team to publicly blast a player they are unhappy with.

No, by them putting this out there in the public sphere in a controlled environment it seems more like a bat signal to the rest of the GMs in the league that the Canucks are open for business and that Pettersson is on the table should the right offer come along whereas Miller is not.

I think Allvin and management have already made their choice. Buckle up.

Whoa, that is a good post.
The auction is on.
Lets take it one step further, on the cusp of scoring a hat trick EP is pulled from the game with an undisclosed and not obvious injury. The hatty might have swayed some fans to his side. And also to prevent an injury.
Right now the spotlight has been on the Stadium game, which the NHL doesn't want any distractions from and the WJC which the NHL is now backing as another look at future star players.

Ya, it is very common, actually it is the model to create a script for controlled media shows, some times they are even taped for editing later. In this case anything could have been said and then filtered to create a message making the meaning clearer.

This "report" might be parts of a much longer discussion.

I like that Bat Signal reference.

One last thought that might be relevant to this issue.
Tocchet has been coaching ice time like this is a "house team", equal ice time with only the PP being different.

For all the fans know this could be the only way Allvin would accept a trade demand from EP, only if he takes the heat for having to go and off the team.

Now watch as Miller is dealt

Did you add in the cap jumping to 92M? While it's not exactly a stellar lineup, I came up with this:

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We'd have 1,177M left over, which essentially covers a 13th forward. This also assumes we are able to dump Hoglander and Desharnais for, at worst, future considerations. Realistically, it's probably Brannstrom and Willander rotating the third pairing RD slot, but Soucy can play right.

If we moved out Heinen, we could possibly chase an older upgrade there like Hall who will likely be in the 3M-ish range at this stage of his career. That'd be my choice over letting Suter walk. I really hate relying on Silovs as our backup in case Demko goes down again, but we have to save money somewhere and backup goalie just isn't a priority.

Is that counting the 5.5 mil buyouts?

 

[Canucker]

Did you add in the cap jumping to 92M? While it's not exactly a stellar lineup, I came up with this:

View attachment 954712

We'd have 1,177M left over, which essentially covers a 13th forward. This also assumes we are able to dump Hoglander and Desharnais for, at worst, future considerations. Realistically, it's probably Brannstrom and Willander rotating the third pairing RD slot, but Soucy can play right.

If we moved out Heinen, we could possibly chase an older upgrade there like Hall who will likely be in the 3M-ish range at this stage of his career. That'd be my choice over letting Suter walk. I really hate relying on Silovs as our backup in case Demko goes down again, but we have to save money somewhere and backup goalie just isn't a priority.

For me, anything that has Tyler Myers in the top 4 is a non-starter...I know we have Willander coming up soon but that's a lot of expectations to lay on a 20-year old kid, and not something you want to rest your hopes on in the event he needs more time...so I'd probably prioritize trying to find a top 4 RHD over any of the left side defensemen that might be available. Also, I'd cut Pius Suter...I really like him but I think he's priced himself out of our comfort zone and we need to have a more established top 6 player...would also move away from Heinen, he just doesn't offer enough value for his salary...he can be replaced by Raty or DiGuiseppe and I wouldn't even bat an eyelash. The bigger call for me has to be Demko...if there is a market for him, and there should be, I'd be selling him and trying to bring back Lankinen at hopefully a slight discount over Demko's $5m...I would test free agency for a backup as I have no faith in Silovs.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I think that along with our well-noted terrible puck moving D core, people are ignoring how much slower we have become as a team.

Lafferty and Mikhayev were both flawed players to an extent, but also both top like 5 percent in the league in speed. Our D got slower.

I think a guy like Ehlers would be a wonderful pick up, I would sooner sign him than keeping Boeser as much as I love Boeser and I think Ehlers and Petey would play really really well off of each other.

Ehlers is an absolute machine at zone-entries, can create out of nothing, and is one of the fastest players in the league. If you can get him for under 9 million I seriously consider it.

 

[Bobby9]

So JT is a older bully who's old school leadership style has rubbed EP 40 the wrong way

But theirs zero percent chance it might not be EP40 whos a entitled millennial in the workplace who wants to remote practice from home and sit on social media all day?

Based on Allvin and Tocchets words about EP it seems thats whats actually happening.. Not the other way around.

JR worked with the ultimate professional, Crosby. If management is outspoken about EP40 its probably not without reason.

 

[Nucker42]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/the-curious-case-of-auston-matthews-will-determine-the-leafs-next-move-but-maybe-not/article_37622096-c77e-11ef-8615-6b0b0b65b6f6.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link&utm_campaign=user-share

Sorry if was posted….

Canucks considering major roster changes. Mentions the feud between Miller and Petey.

Kypreos is very well connected from what I’ve seen.

 

[TruGr1t]

 

[Nucker42]

delete

 

[Canucker]

You have to think management and coaching staff have a keen understanding of what is actually going on and who the bigger "problem" is (if there actually is a problem bigger than a general dislike for your co-worker)...if there is a personality who doesn't fit into the dressing room in general, that player should go...if there is just a personality conflict between two players, its up to leadership (ie coaches, management and even Quinn Hughes) to address it internally and get them pulling in the same direction...if that's not possible, whoever is unwilling to pull in the right direction needs to go...doesn't matter who that player is. My opinion is that this is something that has been blown out of proportion just based on how this season has gone and it has now taken on a life of its own.

 

[Curm]

I find it fascinating how some folks are making excuses or giving EP40 a free pass. You have a pivotal player who's been one of their top, and now top, paid players, and they've apparently checked out on the team, punishing the whole team because they don't get along with one out of the other 18 teammates.

Not to excuse Miller, his competitiveness clearly gets the best of him, and he goes too far with it in pushing his teammates, EP40 surely not being the only one. That needs to be fixed, or they need to remove the player.

Both players exhibit piss poor body language, attitudes, and effort when things aren't necessarily to their liking, and it's particularly egregious given their salaries and stature as core players wearing letters on their jerseys.

Sometimes two things can be true, and when they negatively impact the collective, drastic changes must be made if the situation is beyond resolving. I find it pretty easy to rationalize trading or keeping either or both players. That is, as long as Hughes is on board with the outcome.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I find it fascinating how some folks are making excuses or giving EP40 a free pass. You have a pivotal player who's been one of their top, and now top, paid players, and they've apparently checked out on the team, punishing the whole team because they don't get along with one out of the other 18 teammates.

Not to excuse Miller, his competitiveness clearly gets the best of him, and he goes too far with it in pushing his teammates, EP40 surely not being the only one. That needs to be fixed, or they need to remove the player.

Both players exhibit piss poor body language, attitudes, and effort when things aren't necessarily to their liking, and it's particularly egregious given their salaries and stature as core players wearing letters on their jerseys.

Sometimes two things can be true, and when they negatively impact the collective, drastic changes must be made if the situation is beyond resolving. I find it pretty easy to rationalize trading or keeping either or both players. That is, as long as Hughes is on board with the outcome.

JT said it best when he called Pete a big baby. Maybe my name is accurate after all!

 

[theguardianII]

Two trades;

EP somehow to the Islanders and Miller to the Rangers.

 

[dellzor]

I'll take Trocheck and Schneider from the Rangers for Miller

Solves the locker room problem and gives us a RHD that the Canucks have coveted for a while

 

[Bobby9]

I'll take Trocheck and Schneider from the Rangers for Miller

Solves the locker room problem and gives us a RHD that the Canucks have coveted for a while

JT is my fav Canuck, but the team is bigger than any player..

If you can get Vinny T and either Miller or Schneider you have to make that trade.

Trocheck slots in as a perfect 2C and then we add a impact player in Miller to the 2nd pairing. Would help the back end a lot.

 

[Nucker42]

I'll take Trocheck and Schneider from the Rangers for Miller

Solves the locker room problem and gives us a RHD that the Canucks have coveted for a while

Need to aim higher. Trocheck is great but he’s 31. Schneider is a middle pair defender at best.

If I’m trading my 100 point 1C in asking for the moon.

I would want Perreault and Lafeniere at least. I would also be asking for Zac Jones who is getting the Kakko treatment right now.

 

[ManVanFan]

Marshall McLuhan famously said that the medium is the message, by which he meant that the mode of conveyance warrants as much scrutiny as the message conveyed. If we apply this principle to Allvin's comments re: Pettersson we have the following:

The message was conveyed at a year-end review of the Canucks that occurred on Sportsnet and was conducted by crypto-journalist and unofficial team mouthpiece, Iain MacIntyre. Allvin knew well ahead of time that there would be this scheduled interview, that it would be held on friendly ground and that the organization would a have a good deal of control over what would be discussed.

That is to say, what was divulged had been carefully vetted and was by no means off-the-cuff. It's for this reason that I don't believe what he said about Pettersson was out of frustration and a last-ditch effort to embarrass a player into getting with the program. He may genuinely feel that way but it seems too emotional and too self-indulgent for this management team to publicly blast a player they are unhappy with.

No, by them putting this out there in the public sphere in a controlled environment it seems more like a bat signal to the rest of the GMs in the league that the Canucks are open for business and that Pettersson is on the table should the right offer come along whereas Miller is not.

I think Allvin and management have already made their choice. Buckle up.

Was mentioned they did the same with Bruce. If the Canucks get rid of Petey even right now with his "diminished value". You wouldn't come close to winning that trade.

Jason Robertson is the only younger player that has scored at a higher rate then Petey.
Jack and Quinn Hughes are not far behind .94 PPG.
Tim Stutzle and Bedard .89 PPG
Boldy .84 PPG.
Robert Thomas .81 PPG. (same as Brock Boeser's last 499 GP).

Eichel to Vegas has got to be the close
Tuch (18oa), Krebs (17oa), 1st 22' (16oa) Noah Ostlund, 2nd 23' (64oa) Riley Heidt.

Chicago is your best bet. They don't really have someone like Tuch was though.

Kevin Korchinski(7oa), Blackhawks 1st 26', Oliver Moore (19oa) or Sacha Boisvert(18oa), Ryan Greene(57oa) or Nick Lardis(67oa).

 

[dellzor]

Need to aim higher. Trocheck is great but he’s 31. Schneider is a middle pair defender at best.

If I’m trading my 100 point 1C in asking for the moon.

I would want Perreault and Lafeniere at least. I would also be asking for Zac Jones who is getting the Kakko treatment right now.

Then there's a glaring hole at the 2C

 

[Nucker42]

Then there's a glaring hole at the 2C

Laf hopefully grows into it. Would much rather fill that spot with a 23 year old vs a 31 year old who’s bound to regress soon.

Let me ask, why does it matter who’s better today if this team isn’t winning this year or next? Wouldn’t you rather go after the player with the most potential?

 

[Jerry the great]

Laf hopefully grows into it. Would much rather fill that spot with a 23 year old vs a 31 year old who’s bound to regress soon.

Let me ask, why does it matter who’s better today if this team isn’t winning this year or next? Wouldn’t you rather go after the player with the most potential?

he isn't a C

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Is that counting the 5.5 mil buyouts?

Yes. Puckpedia adds it already

For me, anything that has Tyler Myers in the top 4 is a non-starter...

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to change that. Unless Willander takes off flying, he won't be ready for a consistent top four role, and getting a top four RD will cost far too much. It isn't like any good ones are available in free agency either. Our only real option is going back to a platoon system like we had last season. The hope would be Willander can handle more minutes in a limited capacity.

Alternatively, we have to trade him if someone like Weeger or Andersson were to become available.

As for Suter, anything under 2.5M is something I feel we have to match. None of our prospects are remotely ready for the sheer versatile role he provides and the FA market sucks this off season. It's the same reason I wouldn't move Garland despite not loving him at 5M. There simply isn't anyone better we could sign who wouldn't cost more.

The last thing I want is a repeat of this season where we target cheaper "projects" in hopes of miracle turnarounds. We know what Suter is, and he works wonderfully. If Sasson or Ratu start to push him down, then we can simply trade one of them when that time comes.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[dellzor]

Laf hopefully grows into it. Would much rather fill that spot with a 23 year old vs a 31 year old who’s bound to regress soon.

Let me ask, why does it matter who’s better today if this team isn’t winning this year or next? Wouldn’t you rather go after the player with the most potential?

Laf isn't a C, he's a winger

 

[Jerry the great]

I think that along with our well-noted terrible puck moving D core, people are ignoring how much slower we have become as a team.

Lafferty and Mikhayev were both flawed players to an extent, but also both top like 5 percent in the league in speed. Our D got slower.

I think a guy like Ehlers would be a wonderful pick up, I would sooner sign him than keeping Boeser as much as I love Boeser and I think Ehlers and Petey would play really really well off of each other.

Ehlers is an absolute machine at zone-entries, can create out of nothing, and is one of the fastest players in the league. If you can get him for under 9 million I seriously consider it.

The Jets have ~$40MM in cap space and only three (including Ehlers) significant pieces to re-sign.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Marshall McLuhan famously said that the medium is the message, by which he meant that the mode of conveyance warrants as much scrutiny as the message conveyed. If we apply this principle to Allvin's comments re: Pettersson we have the following:

The message was conveyed at a year-end review of the Canucks that occurred on Sportsnet and was conducted by crypto-journalist and unofficial team mouthpiece, Iain MacIntyre. Allvin knew well ahead of time that there would be this scheduled interview, that it would be held on friendly ground and that the organization would a have a good deal of control over what would be discussed.

That is to say, what was divulged had been carefully vetted and was by no means off-the-cuff. It's for this reason that I don't believe what he said about Pettersson was out of frustration and a last-ditch effort to embarrass a player into getting with the program. He may genuinely feel that way but it seems too emotional and too self-indulgent for this management team to publicly blast a player they are unhappy with.

No, by them putting this out there in the public sphere in a controlled environment it seems more like a bat signal to the rest of the GMs in the league that the Canucks are open for business and that Pettersson is on the table should the right offer come along whereas Miller is not.

I think Allvin and management have already made their choice. Buckle up.

You know that GMs own phones that are capable of calling each other, right? They don't need bat signals; they have words.

 

[pitseleh]

Marshall McLuhan famously said that the medium is the message, by which he meant that the mode of conveyance warrants as much scrutiny as the message conveyed. If we apply this principle to Allvin's comments re: Pettersson we have the following:

The message was conveyed at a year-end review of the Canucks that occurred on Sportsnet and was conducted by crypto-journalist and unofficial team mouthpiece, Iain MacIntyre. Allvin knew well ahead of time that there would be this scheduled interview, that it would be held on friendly ground and that the organization would a have a good deal of control over what would be discussed.

That is to say, what was divulged had been carefully vetted and was by no means off-the-cuff. It's for this reason that I don't believe what he said about Pettersson was out of frustration and a last-ditch effort to embarrass a player into getting with the program. He may genuinely feel that way but it seems too emotional and too self-indulgent for this management team to publicly blast a player they are unhappy with.

No, by them putting this out there in the public sphere in a controlled environment it seems more like a bat signal to the rest of the GMs in the league that the Canucks are open for business and that Pettersson is on the table should the right offer come along whereas Miller is not.

I think Allvin and management have already made their choice. Buckle up.

I agree that the messaging is intentional, but what benefit do they get from a trade perspective by airing out their dirty laundry on a player they want to move on from? The rift stuff gave them enough to put the league on notice behind the scenes about their intentions without ripping him in public.

To me there’s three potential explanations:

- They think public embarrassment will motivate him.

- They want to move on but know the fans will be pissed if they trade him, so they want to start managing the messaging now so they have something to point to if they do trade him.

- They don’t actually want to trade him but want to pump up the value of another player (presumably either Boeser or Miller), by making it seem like they are reluctant to move the others, making it easier to drive a hard bargain.