Grub's Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | It's All Gone Pete Tong

[Vector]

Does my favorite poster have me blocked?

Nope! Just hates you, I guess.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[sandwichbird2023]

SOB is puffy. But interesting take from someone who played with both guys. Always liked Brad Richardson and wanted the team to keep him around.

I totally forgot Richardson played a few games here in 2021-22, was wondering when he played with Miller and Petterson.

If Richardson and his 21 games played with Petey knows that you can't use the tough love method on EP, I'm not sure why 1) the coaches/management doesn't know or doesn't care, 2) they actually ASKED Miller to motivate Petey earlier this season (seems like the worse person for the job), 3) RT not publicly backing Petey about his injuries, and 4) why Allvin called out Petey in the interview.

Like, to me, these are all things that would lead to Petey to shut it down, like Richardson said, and damage the relationship with him even further. Even Bruce knows Petey needs to be coddle, then coddle him! You just gave the guy almost $100m, the franchise has way more to lose than EP does now. I don't understand their approach to handle Petey at all, it almost feel like they are trying to sabotage the relationship so they have an excuse to trade him, it make no sense otherwise.

 

[Diversification]

Interesting comments from Richardson. And he's absolutely right that you can't ride everyone all the time and hope to get the best out of them. Petey strikes me as someone who needs his space to work optimally. And if you're not getting optimal Petey, no one is going to be happy and this team is going to suffer.

If this was a directive from Tocchet and/or management for JTM to lay on some tough love, that's a grave mistake IMO.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Huge fan of Brad Richardson.

Also, every time O'Brien tells a story about his partying, not listening or understanding coaches, and habits you understand why his career completely fizzled and he looks the way he does.

O'Brian has evolved into Frank Seravalli

 

[Bobby9]

Does my favorite poster have me blocked?

No. I don’t.

 

[ManVanFan]

I totally forgot Richardson played a few games here in 2021-22, was wondering when he played with Miller and Petterson.

If Richardson and his 21 games played with Petey knows that you can't use the tough love method on EP, I'm not sure why 1) the coaches/management doesn't know or doesn't care, 2) they actually ASKED Miller to motivate Petey earlier this season (seems like the worse person for the job), 3) RT not publicly backing Petey about his injuries, and 4) why Allvin called out Petey in the interview.

Like, to me, these are all things that would lead to Petey to shut it down, like Richardson said, and damage the relationship with him even further. Even Bruce knows Petey needs to be coddle, then coddle him! You just gave the guy almost $100m, the franchise has way more to lose than EP does now. I don't understand their approach to handle Petey at all, it almost feel like they are trying to sabotage the relationship so they have an excuse to trade him, it make no sense otherwise.

How did you get all the way from tough love to being coddled? Lol.

 

[Bobby9]

I totally forgot Richardson played a few games here in 2021-22, was wondering when he played with Miller and Petterson.

If Richardson and his 21 games played with Petey knows that you can't use the tough love method on EP, I'm not sure why 1) the coaches/management doesn't know or doesn't care, 2) they actually ASKED Miller to motivate Petey earlier this season (seems like the worse person for the job), 3) RT not publicly backing Petey about his injuries, and 4) why Allvin called out Petey in the interview.

Like, to me, these are all things that would lead to Petey to shut it down, like Richardson said, and damage the relationship with him even further. Even Bruce knows Petey needs to be coddle, then coddle him! You just gave the guy almost $100m, the franchise has way more to lose than EP does now. I don't understand their approach to handle Petey at all, it almost feel like they are trying to sabotage the relationship so they have an excuse to trade him, it make no sense otherwise.

So he’s:

Immature.
Physically weak.
Easily irritable.
Sulky.
Injury prone.


And now the team has to coddle him?

He might have the worst contract in the world.

Can somebody photoshop Allvin and EP40 faces on this?

 

[Jerry the great]

It's not as if the team was bad earlier in the year either. Not sure what really has changed all that much. Somebody said something that someone else didn't like and it was last straw? Who knows.

continually having to plug holes eventually takes it's toll. Ignoring the fact our top 2 forwards have not performed (nearly) to the level they are capable of, we've lost almost 14% of the $$ value of our roster to injury/LOA. Not many teams have the depth to overcome that and we obviously don't.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

How did you get all the way from tough love to being coddled? Lol.

Coddling is what Boudreau said Petey needs. He has coached EP and Petterson has some of his most productive stretches under BB so I'll take his word on how to handle this player.

Tough love seems to be what JTM has been giving Petey since 2021-22 as per Richardson, and how RT and Allvin is/was handling him, not giving him excuses nor "protecting" him to the public.

Its 2 extreme ways to handle a player, we saw which side Petey reacts better to, so I'm flabbergasted as to why management continues to go down the path they are going.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

in the early 2000s, the Canucks brought Trevor Linden in and later (to a smaller extent) Brad May, and May was there largely to soften Bertuzzi’s edges a bit.

Our room needs a guy like that right now. Someone that can be a respected voice that maybe insulates Miller and Pettersson a bit from one another.

 

[Bobby9]

in the early 2000s, the Canucks brought Trevor Linden in and later (to a smaller extent) Brad May, and May was there largely to soften Bertuzzi’s edges a bit.

Our room needs a guy like that right now. Someone that can be a respected voice that maybe insulates Miller and Pettersson a bit from one another.

L Schenn 35% retained for VD and a pick

 

[Kryten]

in the early 2000s, the Canucks brought Trevor Linden in and later (to a smaller extent) Brad May, and May was there largely to soften Bertuzzi’s edges a bit.

Our room needs a guy like that right now. Someone that can be a respected voice that maybe insulates Miller and Pettersson a bit from one another.

This was Tanev

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Tanev was the answer every year since he was let go, and every year this board was mostly like 'too old'

 

[Diversification]

L Schenn 35% retained for VD and a pick

Sold!

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This was Tanev

It's ironic just how often the solution to so many of our problems comes back to Tanev.

 

[Jyrki]

Welp, caught up on the recent drama... let's just say if the Necas rumors were true last season, captain hindsight would've pulled the trigger 10/10 times. If it comes down to moving Petey before his NMC kicks in, either Allvin cooks his best meal yet or we'll fall back into Jimbo mediocrity.

 

[Vector]

in the early 2000s, the Canucks brought Trevor Linden in and later (to a smaller extent) Brad May, and May was there largely to soften Bertuzzi’s edges a bit.

Our room needs a guy like that right now. Someone that can be a respected voice that maybe insulates Miller and Pettersson a bit from one another.

2011 did that with Manny Malhotra.

 

[Nucker101]

Tanev would've helped for sure but he was also in that Flames room that apparently had issues the last couple of seasons before this one. You need multiple respected leaders to calm down a situation like this and he definitely could've been one of them

 

[Hodgy]

Coddling is what Boudreau said Petey needs. He has coached EP and Petterson has some of his most productive stretches under BB so I'll take his word on how to handle this player.

Tough love seems to be what JTM has been giving Petey since 2021-22 as per Richardson, and how RT and Allvin is/was handling him, not giving him excuses nor "protecting" him to the public.

Its 2 extreme ways to handle a player, we saw which side Petey reacts better to, so I'm flabbergasted as to why management continues to go down the path they are going.

I agree that what coaching and management and Miller are doing are obviously not helping and seem to be doing the opposite.

But I also do understand or acknowledge that there is a certain mentality or desire to win or whatever that is necessary to win a Stanley Cup. This manifests its way differently in different players (e.g., Sedin style verses Linden) but it needs to be there. And it appears that Tocchet and management don’t think it’s there with Pettersson. Of course we don’t know if that’s true or not. It’s possible they are being too rigid in terms of how they want Pettersson’s compete to manifest itself.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Isn’t that what we’re paying Myers for? Certainly not paying him because he’s good at hockey that’s for sure.

If only we had Brandon Sutter and his foundational massive balls amirite.

 

[Kryten]

I agree that what coaching and management and Miller are doing are obviously not helping and seem to be doing the opposite.

But I also do understand or acknowledge that there is a certain mentality or desire to win or whatever that is necessary to win a Stanley Cup. This manifests its way differently in different players (e.g., Sedin style verses Linden) but it needs to be there. And it appears that Tocchet and management don’t think it’s there with Pettersson. Of course we don’t know if that’s true or not. It’s possible they are being too rigid in terms of how they want Pettersson’s compete to manifest itself.

And its not like we only have old hard asses in his ear. The Sedins are coaching him in Vancouver arent they?

 

[SnapIt]

I imagine Ian Cole was a calming veteran in the room last season.

He would also solve the issue of distributing minutes. Bit of a blunder letting him go

 

[Nuckles]

Canucks need a calming presence like Tanev and are rumored to want a winger? Brandon Tanev incoming

 

[mriswith]

Makes you wonder exactly what level of weapons grade asshole Miller is. There's a lot more allowance for dickheads in pro sports, especially top line talent dickheads, but there's still a limit.

• Management team believed in this core and thought they would do the same things they did last season and are surprised at the lack of consistency and lack of production from star players

Lol. My belief and confidence in this management group is plummeting at a record rate.

Expecting a repeat of last season with the d core they went into the season with is Benning tier. The defense cannot move the puck out of their own zone, and the defense cannot help with maintaining possession in the offensive zone.

The forwards have to generate everything by themselves, but they can't generate it off the rush because the d can't make a pass, and they can't generate it off sustained ozone pressure because the defense make unforced errors and turn the puck over as soon as they get it at the offensive blue line. Why aren't the forwards consistent? It's extremely, stupefyingly obvious.

Did mgmt not realize we were on a massive PDO bender last season that only ended around the same time that reinforcements arrived? I'll give them Soucy's dropoff being a surprise but downgrading Cole+Zad to Forbort/Desharnais and then being surprised that the d is atrocious?

I can only cope with this by assuming it's gamesmanship and they understand what's actually going on, but they completely bungled the defense in summer and they're grossly mishandling EP this year so who knows.