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[kanucks25]

Thoughts on Liljegren for those who have watched him a bit more closely / follow numbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he seems to be in a similar boat as Brannstrom was where he's put up good underlying numbers and his defenders are adamant that he's a solid skater and puck-mover.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Thoughts on Liljegren for those who have watched him a bit more closely / follow numbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he seems to be in a similar boat as Brannstrom was where he's put up good underlying numbers and his defenders are adamant that he's a solid skater and puck-mover.

Those are the only two things he does reasonably well and couldn't crack the leafs defense for years, the leafs...
Liljegren is not good and now also significantly overpaid.

 

[kanucks25]

Those are the only two things he does reasonably well and couldn't crack the leafs defense for years, the leafs...

I mean again, lots of people were saying the same thing about Brannstrom and it's not like the Sens had incredible depth on their defence.

Not saying Brannstrom is proven yet but you see the potential.

I hear/read all the same mixed evaluations as I did with Brann.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I mean again, lots of people were saying the same thing about Brannstrom and it's not like the Sens had incredible depth on their defence.

Not saying Brannstrom is proven yet but you see the potential.

I hear/read all the same mixed evaluations as I did with Brann.

Brannstrom has a large sample size of nhl games producing decent to good results on a bad team, and the eye test matched.

Liljegren has been a healthy scratch for the leafs all year and previously, with a good sample size of not good results on a really good team, which also matches the eye test.

At 800k sure roll the dice on Lil, like Brannstrom, at six million absolutely not.

They are not the same and the people with negative evaluations of Brann were wrong.

 

[bossram]

The problem with Liljegren is that he is a "PMD", but he shrivels on retrievals when there is forecheck pressure. This really doesn't make him much of a PMD because he can't make clean outlets when pressured. He's better at wheeling the puck on his own if given some room. He's historically won his minutes when playing soft competition though. He used to have more offensive flair and rush activations, but that's been coached out of him. By eye, I think Brannstrom is better at retrievals and outlet passing. He is smaller though, which matters to a lot of GMs.

This is a Treliving masterclass though. Step 1: Re-sign Liljegren to pricier deal. Step 2: Don't play him at all. Step 3: Sell him at rock bottom value. Amazing.

Brannstrom has a large sample size of nhl games producing decent to good results on a bad team, and the eye test matched.

Liljegren has been a healthy scratch for the leafs all year and previously, with a good sample size of not good results on a really good team, which also matches the eye test.

At 800k sure roll the dice on Lil, like Brannstrom, at six million absolutely not.

They are not the same and the people with negative evaluations of Brann were wrong.

He's typically won a strong share of shots/scoring chances, which is why he's kinda been labelled as an "analytics" guy.

 

[PavelBure10]

If Dobson was available I would throw most of our future away in order to get him. A Hughes/Dobson pairing would be something the Canucks have never ever had, an elite #1 pairing. Both players would easily be #1 and #2 for position in franchise history. It moves Hronek to the second pairing and the problems on D would be solved. Unfortunately Dobson's value is probably crippling to whoever wins the highest bid. Besides I doubt he is even available.

 

[JT Milker]

If Dobson was available I would throw most of our future away in order to get him. A Hughes/Dobson pairing would be something the Canucks have never ever had, an elite #1 pairing. Both players would easily be #1 and #2 for position in franchise history. It moves Hronek to the second pairing and the problems on D would be solved. Unfortunately Dobson's value is probably crippling to whoever wins the highest bid. Besides I doubt he is even available.

The Canucks had the best first pairing in the league just last year.

Pettersson for Dobson.

 

[thecupismine]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

 

[Lat]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

This is Willander (but agreed, need another top 4 D in this mold for this season)

 

[TruGr1t]

Liljegren has generated significantly more NHL offense per game than Brannstrom in his minutes (has consistently scored at a ~30-point pace). Given the Leafs have generally produced more offense regardless, but teams will bank on the offensive upside. Still a bit rich.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

Yep which is why the NYI defenseman we *should* be discussing is, and say it with me folks, Ryan Pulock.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Thoughts on Liljegren for those who have watched him a bit more closely / follow numbers?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he seems to be in a similar boat as Brannstrom was where he's put up good underlying numbers and his defenders are adamant that he's a solid skater and puck-mover.

Think of sophomore Hughes but without the elite level offense, obviously. That's a decent visual for Liljegren. He's not a bad player but widely inconsistent. I actually think he'd be a fine pick up for us but only with full retention. 3M is far too much for a project.

 

[oceanchild]

I don't know if there's a realistic scenario where I'd be okay in trading Willander.

Brady T

 

[bossram]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

All of this, exactly. They need a guy who is elite at unglamorous minutes. Like you said, the modern version of Dan Hamhuis.

And Dobson, yeesh. I think one of my hottest takes is that he is massively overrated. I would not be interested at all for anything near the perceived cost.

 

[David71]

Yep which is why the NYI defenseman we *should* be discussing is, and say it with me folks, Ryan Pulock.

better shot too.

Brady T

brady t for petterson would be the deal i'd make.

 

[F A N]

The problem with Liljegren is that he is a "PMD", but he shrivels on retrievals when there is forecheck pressure. This really doesn't make him much of a PMD because he can't make clean outlets when pressured. He's better at wheeling the puck on his own if given some room. He's historically won his minutes when playing soft competition though. He used to have more offensive flair and rush activations, but that's been coached out of him. By eye, I think Brannstrom is better at retrievals and outlet passing. He is smaller though, which matters to a lot of GMs.

This is a Treliving masterclass though. Step 1: Re-sign Liljegren to pricier deal. Step 2: Don't play him at all. Step 3: Sell him at rock bottom value. Amazing.


He's typically won a strong share of shots/scoring chances, which is why he's kinda been labelled as an "analytics" guy.

Ya Lilgegren is a player whose analytics suggest that he's a better player than what the eye test suggests. But probably if someone did a deeper dive you'll see that, like you said, he "historically won his minutes when playing soft competition."

 

[VanJack]

Well, the fat's in the fire for Liljigren now. If he can somehow survive playing on that Sharks blueline, then he might have been a better player than we thought.

But I'm kind of surprised by the Sharks, giving up a third and fifth round draft pick for this guy. Matt Benning is basically an AHL 'throw in'.

For context, that's the same price the Canucks paid to pry Zadorov out of Calgary last season.

 

[F A N]

Well, the fat's in the fire for Liljigren now. If he can somehow survive playing on that Sharks blueline, then he might have been a better player than we thought.

But I'm kind of surprised by the Sharks, giving up a third and fifth round draft pick for this guy. Matt Benning is basically an AHL 'throw in'.

I think the Sharks are trying to push their rebuild forward. Liljegren should get the opportunity that he's been looking for all these years.

At the end of the day, Liljegren is 25 years old. If he somehow plays like a top 4 Dman, he's worth more than the price of acquisition or he will be kept. San Jose is usually pretty good at keeping players they want to keep.

For context, that's the same price the Canucks paid to pry Zadorov out of Calgary last season.

Not exactly.

 

[Canucker]

Any RHD that is able to push Tyler Myers into a bottom pairing role and take him out of the PK rotation would be extremely welcome and has to be a priority IMO.

 

[oceanchild]

better shot too.


brady t for petterson would be the deal i'd make.

I would also want Pinto in that deal.

 

[Bobby9]

Their is absolutely ZERO reason to trade youth or assets if EP40 plays the way he is.

Our window in sealed absolutely shut with him playing like this.

Play another 15-20 games and you have 3 options:

1) He does a 180 and starts playing to his ceiling. Then start shopping for support on the back end.

2) He doesnt turn it around and we find a trade that includes 2 pieces. A 2C and 2nd line D.

3) His poor play continues and we dont find any takers or trades that add value to the team for him. At that point just ride out the season. Possible rebuild with him on the team for 7 more years

 

[arttk]

Guentzel was pretty clearly going to be traded. It was reported at then time they decided to prioritize a centre after their pro scouting meetings so went with Lindholm.

That was not clear at all, they waited till like TDL to be sellers.

 

[calnuck]

better shot too.


brady t for petterson would be the deal i'd make.

Yep I’d take that deal and run

 

[pitseleh]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

Agreed. Hamhuis’s hometown discount price was the equivalent of $6.67 million under today’s cap.

That should be doable. Matt Roy is a comparable player and came in under that. Pesce, Tanev, Hanifin, Marino are all varying degrees of a match (ages, quality, salaries, etc.) but adjusting for those factors were comparable.

 

[MS]

The Canucks wouldn't get nearly as much value from Dobson as others team would, as Hughes has the PP1 slot on lockdown which is a significant portion of Dobson’s value.

The type of players the Canucks should be looking at are guys who are very good defensively, worthy of playing PK1, don't have issues moving the puck out, but wouldn’t expect anything more than PP2 time (this helps limit their contract value).

Basically the Canucks need their Dan Hamhuis from 2010/2011 if they want to take that next step towards contention.

Bingo.

We don't need to be paying a premium that's based on hockey card stats and PP points because whoever we acquire will not be playing PP minutes or scoring PP points.

Gavrikov, M. Pettersson, Ferraro.