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[VanillaCoke]

Lindholm seems to be playing well. Zadorov looks massively overpaid.

Their play is irrelevant to my disgust but not likely zad is worth that contract.


(Lindholm was good here even when not scoring and ppls vitriol was misplaced because of acquisition cost, that wasn't really much either. Also I'd rather have kept horvat or Lindholm and moved ep to Carolina or whatever)

 

[bossram]

Who’s the better 4C option currently? Aman (24) or Raty (22)?

Aman.

 

[Hodgy]

You’d have to replace Heinen on the roster too so add another ~$1 million.

Realistically re-signing Zadorov would have meant him plus two ~$1 million players ($7 million) instead of Myers, Desharnais, and Heinen ($7.25 million).

Can see an argument that would have been preferable but it would have materially hurt the team’s depth.

Sounds like Zadorov would have come in a bit cheaper (I saw 4.6 million) if he signed with Vancouver which makes sense.

But ya, you are correct you probably need to get rid of Myers as well. Which would create its own issues in that finding a RD at the deadline will likely be more difficult than finding a LD. With that said, I think Zadorov over Myers in the long run is actually preferable.

All Zadorov has to do is do something he's never done before.

Not true. He was a top three defensemen for us in the playoffs. More accurately, he hasn't been able to do it for a long stretch.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Canucks top 20 players - 24 & under

1. Hoglander 24
2. Lekkerimaki 20
3. Willander 20
4. Silovs 23
5. Pettersson 20
6. Raty 22
7. Bains 24
8. Aman 24
9. Kudryavtsev 20
10. Mynio 19
11. McWard 23
12. Klimovich 22
13. Woo 24
14. Tolopilo 24
15. Sasson 23
16. Bloom 21
17. Pattersson 18
18. Fernstrom 18
19. Romani 18
20. Alriksson 19

Besides Hoglander wonder who’ll be on the big club 2 years from now.

 

[Delocatedfan]

Pettersson and Myers for Dahlin.

The centerpiece of the deal is actually Myers as he actually gets to end his career in Buffalo.

Honestly thats an overpay. I like Dahlin a ton but EP40 is roughly a ppg so far for his career and is only 25 years old. Not sure the Vancouver Canucks are the team to add, if anything I could see some shuffling of prospects or picks more than other roster players. He is in a funk & possibly playing through something. Once he has a game or 2 I can see him taking off.

If a deal like this ever popped up I think it would be in the off season

Canucks top 20 players - 24 & under

1. Hoglander 24
2. Lekkerimaki 20
3. Willander 20
4. Silovs 23
5. Pettersson 20
6. Raty 22
7. Bains 24
8. Aman 24
9. Kudryavtsev 20
10. Mynio 19
11. McWard 23
12. Klimovich 22
13. Woo 24
14. Tolopilo 24
15. Sasson 23
16. Bloom 21
17. Pattersson 18
18. Fernstrom 18
19. Romani 18
20. Alriksson 19

Besides Hoglander wonder who’ll be on the big club 2 years from now.

I feel rotten saying this but I am not sure Bains amounts to anything more than a really good AHLer who gets a couple call ups sprinkled throughout his career (to be clear nothing wrong with this) but he hasn't shown much at the NHL level & has played with the top guys

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I feel rotten saying this but I am not sure Bains amounts to anything more than a really good AHLer who gets a couple call ups sprinkled throughout his career (to be clear nothing wrong with this) but he hasn't shown much at the NHL level & has played with the top guys

He has good skills but not elite skills to be a top 6 scoring winger at the NHL level and doesn’t have the checking ability to be in the bottom 6 full time.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Who’s the better 4C option currently? Aman (24) or Raty (22)?

aman is steadier right now but does not appear to have have raty's upside.

raty has had moments where he shows real flash. he's potentially sauteed reindeer with lingenberries. aman appears to be swedish meatballs in campbell's mushroom soup.

 

[F A N]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1847318255029145693

Forgive me for posting Taj, this is from Halford and Brough.

Seems like we made a totally reasonable offer to Zadorov.

Ya but there is a range of term and $ that is within the realm of reasonable and I don't think anyone here is saying the Canucks lowballed him. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, Calgary reportedly offered him $4-4.5M AAV and Zadorov was most concerned with term (he wanted 5-6 years). Zadorov's agent had come out and said that term was important. So Zadorov wanting a 5 year term is not a secret.

Like I said, management miscalulated here. They were ultimately willing to go to 5x$5M while Zadorov got 6x$5M. We're not dealing with a young player here who you aren't sure about. Zadorov was a pending UFA the team acquired and liked the player enough to offer him a 4 year contract just not 5. I'm not sure what Allvin expected once his offer was rejected and the playoffs were about to start.. That Zadorov would then come back and accept the Canucks' offer?

4x4.6 was exactly the right offer to max out.

Except that wasn't the max we offered him.

 

[PavelBure10]

Ya but there is a range of term and $ that is within the realm of reasonable and I don't think anyone here is saying the Canucks lowballed him. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, Calgary reportedly offered him $4-4.5M AAV and Zadorov was most concerned with term (he wanted 5-6 years). Zadorov's agent had come out and said that term was important. So Zadorov wanting a 5 year term is not a secret.

Like I said, management miscalulated here. They were ultimately willing to go to 5x$5M while Zadorov got 6x$5M. We're not dealing with a young player here who you aren't sure about. Zadorov was a pending UFA the team acquired and liked the player enough to offer him a 4 year contract just not 5. I'm not sure what Allvin expected once his offer was rejected and the playoffs were about to start.. That Zadorov would then come back and accept the Canucks' offer?



Except that wasn't the max we offered him.

I agree. It wasn't like it was a surprise to Allvin. They knew the details on what Zadorov wanted and what he turned down from Calgary. For a player the Canucks were apparently coveting for a couple years, you would of thought Allvin would of been more prepared to negotiate. Like Zadorov, I also thought he would of been one of the top priorities to resign. Especially over the likes of Tyler Myers who you knew wasn't going anywhere and was willing to wait a bit before negotiating a contract. Myers ofcoarse played his best hockey in his contract year, Zadorov made a impact as soon as he was acquired.

I know I have to get over the Zadorov miss, but I think it was a major miss by Canucks staff.