The fact is my opinion of him isn’t as high as yours. That’s about it. All I do is watch the games. Numbers mean little to me and cheapens my experience as a fan, personally.
Does that satisfy that?
***Also I never said anything about any facts please don’t misrepresent my posts***
I agree experience and perception define the way a game or player is perceived. For myself after years of coaching, scouting and being in hockey I find I break down games and see things differently. An opinion.
Minnesota isn't trading a player they traded for because then wanted. Also practice every player on their roster has either NMC or NTC. Trenin has NMC.
No, Trenin doesn't, neither does Jiricek
Reverend is saying Hronek hasn't carried his own pairing yet - which is unequivocally true. He did not say that he's "bad away from Hughes", those are separate statements. I also want to see Hronek on his own pairing.
Allvin stated outright he wanted/hoped/thought Hronek would carry his own pairing in the future.
But my point was, he clearly carried his own pairing in Detroit.
Before he got traded to Vancouver, he was the #2 RHD on a team with two good dmen (both RHD).
Detroit didn’t want to commit to him, as they already have a solid #1 RD, so they traded him.
I have yet to see a compelling argument that he wasn’t successfully carrying the second pair in Detroit for the 60 games he played in the season that he was traded to us.
I think the reason they play him with Hughes is because he doesn’t just throw the pick to his partner’s side, the way Myers does. This saves Hughes a lot of wear and tear.
In Detroit he had defensive issues and was bumped out of the top pairing by Seider. When they traded for him I did a search on him in Detroit. He was quite upset at relegation and his pairing partners
I mean, some of those quoted posts very literally state that they don’t think he’d be a first pairing guy without Hughes (I.e., a #2 at least) or that he couldn’t solidly a second pairing with one of our other dmen, but sure this is a complete waste of time at this point so agree to disagree.
What we think is irrelevant, Allvin stated he believed Hronek could. If you look at the defence as a whole IF Hronek could/did or was penciled into that role and succeeded then the dcorp looks quite different.
On that Chicago post, that Lev guy is supposed to be really, really good. But for EP certainly not enough.
As far as trading for futures, at some point the team will HAVE to. Every part of the team is starting to be diminished. With nothing done very soon there is only EP and Hughes left playing effectively and that eliminates most chances for winning in the real season.
Trading for futures;
If only making the playoffs is the ultimate goal then keep the status quo and just spend the future away.
Last year's team is not this year's group, they could almost be two different teams from two different places.
Injuries happen to all teams, last year the Canucks were extremely lucky with hardly any injuries at all and that is rare.
This year Demko is constatnly brought up as a major injury when talking about losses, so why not just say Landinen is crap and not pulling the load? I don't think anyone thinks that, so Demko being out isn't as impactful. Then they will say missing his presence in the room, again he travels with the team and there is issues within the room.
EP being hurt and missing 6 whole games, Hughes missing 4 games, season lost on that? Miller a month off and they can't win.
What all these "reasons" being trotted out show how fragile and in need of future trades this group is. One or two players missing and they go into a dumpster?
MY OPINION;
Tocchet has the team playing a system that can sustain or keep scores close to not have any top players or very few. His system is for players with limited skill sets keep scores close, play not to lose. Preparation for not having Miller, Pettersson or Boeser on the team. Using Hughes to the extent he does also points to the lack of need in the easy season of 100+ point players. If a player can skate and check he can fit into the system. The PP and PK are relied on to win games with the occasional 5 on 5 goals.
Any panic of EP or JTM not playing is unnessary. Even when they were not playing the team wasn't getting lit up and when they were there the goals for aren't staggering. Defence at the price of offence. And keep it close for a playoff spot, fan interest.
They did just beat a good TO team but they played a goalie with only two NHL games under his belt and only potted 3 goals, two of which were screened deflections.
