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[valkynax]

I'm becoming a resource!

I find it rather odd that our team is interested in Nelson, neither his age nor production look particularly impressive, and do we really need more of these bargain bin vets?

P.S.: I'm really sorry but I just wandered through the portal back in time and broke Vault 13's water chip (can't say no to 1000 xp).

 

[Lat]

I think you have to move on from Boeser. He looked great last season, but the Jeannot hit has really affected his game and a long term contract could age horribly. We have Lekkermaki in the wings to naturally take his place, although that will likely take a few seasons to actually happen. Trade him at the deadline and get a good asset or two in return.

He'll be remembered as one of the few bright spots of the Benning era, the first star to breathe life into this city as the Sedins were retiring. I will always feel like his career was dramatically changed by the Clutterbuck hit into the open bench door...if you watch his rookie highlights, he was an incredibly dynamic player that could skate with power and his shot was one of the best in the entire league right out of the gate.

Still a hell of a player, but I think he could have seriously been on the Stamkos/Matthews tier were it not for that back injury.

It really depends on what his renewal would look like. Shorter term in the 7M AAV range is palatable and you probably want to retain him in that scenario. Anything more and you probably need to cut him loose.

 

[Vector]

I find it rather odd that our team is interested in Nelson, neither his age nor production look particularly impressive, and do we really need more of these bargain bin vets?

P.S.: I'm really sorry but I just wandered through the portal back in time and broke Vault 13's water chip (can't say no to 1000 xp).

They aren't unless he signs an extension.

 

[God]

They aren't unless he signs an extension.

that is also weird, though. they wanna extend a 33 year old brock nelson? to what, an 8M/8yr extension?

 

[Canucker]

I find it rather odd that our team is interested in Nelson, neither his age nor production look particularly impressive, and do we really need more of these bargain bin vets?

P.S.: I'm really sorry but I just wandered through the portal back in time and broke Vault 13's water chip (can't say no to 1000 xp).

I think they were referring to Danny Nelson, the prospect, weren't they?

Edit: Nope, I guess it was Brock....ugh.

 

[Vector]

that is also weird, though. they wanna extend a 33 year old brock nelson? to what, an 8M/8yr extension?

I can't remember which person it was but that's what was said. Canucks aren't interest in him as a rental. Even in that Rosner article, he says he'd be surprised if Nelson is dealt to the Canucks.

But if Nelson plans to test free agency this summer, it would be wise for the Islanders to move Nelson for assets, a combination of a first-round pick and prospects.

While the Canucks are interested in Nelson, I was told that Vancouver isn't too fond of acquiring No. 29 as a rental.

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We'll see how this all plays out, but Nelson going to Vancouver in a potential deal would be a shock.

 

[valkynax]

I think they were referring to Danny Nelson, the prospect, weren't they?

Yeah that was my thought too at first but the article did specifically say it's Brock Nelson. Unless we can get someone like him for DIRT cheap, I really don't see the point, especially consider OEL's penalty jumps next season.

 

[Canucker]

Yeah that was my thought too at first but the article did specifically say it's Brock Nelson. Unless we can get someone like him for DIRT cheap, I really don't see the point, especially consider OEL's penalty jumps next season.

Yeah, i went and read it....sure enough. Seems odd to me, and I would hope its an error.

 

[sting101]

Someone made this point the other day and Dhaliwal is on about it today that PA and JR coming from Pittsburgh and being exposed to Crosby has them measuring Pettersson to that standard.

Donny questions his leg strength and core work and why they didn't wait to see more of it before the contract they handed out

My issue with the situation...

The contract and the expectations are the problem.

It's odd to me that EP40 wouldn't leave money on the table back his words about wanting to win and support PA and JR who have come in and made a situation where Pettersson and Hughes could win a cup. Furthermore if he took less the narrative and pressure to be a top5 paid player changes.

 

[valkynax]

Yeah, i went and read it....sure enough. Seems odd to me, and I would hope its an error.

Off season, no more than 2M a year and no more than 2 years. Otherwise, hard pass.

Don't anyone DARE say we need him for f***ing L3d@RsheEpp.
-_-

 

[Vector]

Recap of the Friedman interview with Donnie & Dhali. Really really REALLY isn't saying much here.

Canucks Plans

• Thinks the Canucks are walking through there options
• Unwise to assume anything about the Canucks right now
• Will determine what is actually out there in terms of offers
• Looking for a centre in return
• Sometimes you just have to find your way through the difficult times and can’t trade your way out of it
• When you’re weak, that’s the most difficult time to trade

Miller

• The whole situation has worn on a lot of people, including himself
• Doesn’t need to ask for a trade; he knows it’s possible
• Canucks have an idea of where Miller would accept to go
• Everyone recognizes it’s in the Canucks hands

Top-4 Defenceman

• Might have to deal with what they got until Hronek is back

Canadiens

• Laine has revitalized the powerplay
• Have been bad on at home

 

[arttk]

Kind of funny that the Canucks aren't serious about moving EP, haven't asked Miller to waive, Miller doesn't want to go anywhere...but the Canucks are asking for a center in a return for either player they don't want to move. lol...gotta love the media.

probably completely unrelated things tied together. i am guessing they are looking for a center period and it has nothing to do with Petey and Miller.

 

[krutovsdonut]

They'd have to click through. All linking to a tweet does is get more eyes on it that may click.

interesting. so he gets your content added to his article and you get crickets. that's what you get for providing concise easy to read summaries.

 

[valkynax]

Recap of the Friedman interview with Donnie & Dhali. Really really REALLY isn't saying much here.

Canucks Plans

• Thinks the Canucks are walking through there options
• Unwise to assume anything about the Canucks right now
• Will determine what is actually out there in terms of offers
• Looking for a centre in return
• Sometimes you just have to find your way through the difficult times and can’t trade your way out of it
• When you’re weak, that’s the most difficult time to trade

Miller

• The whole situation has worn on a lot of people, including himself
• Doesn’t need to ask for a trade; he knows it’s possible
• Canucks have an idea of where Miller would accept to go
• Everyone recognizes it’s in the Canucks hands

Top-4 Defenceman

• Might have to deal with what they got until Hronek is back

Canadiens

• Laine has revitalized the powerplay
• Have been bad on at home

Appreciate the solid work as usual, vault dweller.

"Might have to deal with what they got until Hronek is back."

Ok, fair enough. In which case, Mr. Clean, when the season gets torpedoed (when, not if, WHEN), don't put on your shocked Pikachu face when fans start asking barbed question straight to your face.

 

[Quinning]

I'm surprised that Miller doesn't want to move unless it's because he doesn't want to uproot his family. The team isn't winning shit and he must be uncomfortable as hell in that room right now.

 

[iceburg]

Miller
Hughes
Pettersson
Demko
Hronek
Boeser

I am more and more convinced that this is Vegas-style cap accumulation and load management. They'll add an $8M d-man at or before the deadline from a team that needs to off load a contract, everyone will be back for the playoffs, and they'll be absolute beasts!
Plan the parade!!

 

[krutovsdonut]

that is also weird, though. they wanna extend a 33 year old brock nelson? to what, an 8M/8yr extension?

agreed that it makes no sense. rosner's whole article made no sense from top to bottom but he apparently has a source for it.

 

[TruGr1t]

Somewhat lost in all of this drama is that management's "we'll make do with this shitty blueline until we can upgrade it in-season" move has totally backfired in their face, and they are now in a position where they basically can't make any trades that they probably won't substantially lose.

So they've gone from, we'll adjust it on the fly to ... hopefully we don't lose too many games we're out of the playoffs by the time everyone is healthy.

 

[Canucker]

probably completely unrelated things tied together. i am guessing they are looking for a center period and it has nothing to do with Petey and Miller.

Thats possible...but seems like a bit of a red herring to me, the only real reason to be looking for a center is if you have a need for one and the only real need for one is if they trade one of theirs. They need to fix their defense, then they could use a winger who can pot a few goals, center seems like a position they're ok with (could be improved but doesn't seem imperative), so unless they move one I'm not sure what the plan would be? Unless its to bring in a center prospect for the farm?

 

[racerjoe]

“I think the main question is Miller vs. Horvat, and it's a reasonable one. Up until this season, it looked like they made the right choice, obviously, but there's no telling what that may have done to the window etc. I don't think there was ever a chance they went full rebuild and moved a bunch of the core.”

Carrying this over from the previous thread, but for some reason my tools aren’t letting me make this a quote.

It’s really hard, in that we just never have all the information.

I was originally in the keep Horvat camp thinking him being younger and probably cheaper was better, then once we signed Miller and saw what Horvat signed for I was glad we kept Miller. Hell Miller became my favourite Canuck this past playoffs.

Now we get more information and I am questioning what we know again.

I say this all to say as a fan, we rarely know all the information so making these choices is often more basic than it probably is.

 

[valkynax]

Somewhat lost in all of this drama is that management's "we'll make do with this shitty blueline until we can upgrade it in-season" move has totally backfired in their face, and they are now in a position where they basically can't make any trades that they probably won't substantially lose.

So they've gone from, we'll adjust it on the fly to ... hopefully we don't lose too many games we're out of the playoffs by the time everyone is healthy.

In a way, I'm fine with them not doing anything and hoping the D holds (we all know it absolutely won't). But if this is the case, like I mentioned before, Mr. Clean and Moleman won't get an ounce of sympathy from me when the season goes to shit and they bring up injuries as an excuse.

 

[TruGr1t]

In a way, I'm fine with them not doing anything and hoping the D holds (we all know it absolutely won't). But if this is the case, like I mentioned before, Mr. Clean and Moleman won't get an ounce of sympathy from me when the season goes to shit and they bring up injuries as an excuse.

Yes, I'd agree that's now the best course of action. But it's also a massive failure by management that they are in this position.

 

[Vector]

The Brock Nelson stuff seems to be coming exclusively from Stefen Rosner.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Somewhat lost in all of this drama is that management's "we'll make do with this shitty blueline until we can upgrade it in-season" move has totally backfired in their face, and they are now in a position where they basically can't make any trades that they probably won't substantially lose.

So they've gone from, we'll adjust it on the fly to ... hopefully we don't lose too many games we're out of the playoffs by the time everyone is healthy.

all plans are useless upon first contact with the enemy. but go back to september. imagine you go into the season correctly assuming they will have a shaky denko, by january will be clinging to the second wildcard spot and will have lost hronek, hughes, and pettersson to injuries at the same time and there is a public miller/pettersson feud that has turned into a media circus with rumours about testing the market on both and trade one of them coming from friedman among others. would you even bother trying to get an infill dman early, or would you do what they did but for different reasons?

 

[TruGr1t]

all plans are useless upon first contact with the enemy. but go back to september. imagine you go into the season correctly assuming they will have a shaky denko, by january will be clinging to the second wildcard spot and will have lost hronek, hughes, and pettersson to injuries at the same time and there is a public miller/pettersson feud that has turned into a media circus with rumours about testing the market on both and trade one of them coming from friedman among others. would you even bother trying to get an infill dman early, or would you do what they did but for different reasons?

No, but even laymen were warning about the lack of attention to the blue line in the summer, for basically those exact reasons. It wasn't hard to see it going wrong. They made the conscious decision to go cheap on defensemen.