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[Peen]

I thought the initial reporting was that they started at 4.5x5 and then went to 5 years. I swear I remember that from some point around the summer. Starting at 5 and going to 6 sounds new

 

[Jerry the great]

If one player is dealt, Miller has always made the most sense even with all the public noise with EP.

Can you imagine a game like the one last night where Tom Wilson is running around doing Tom Wilson things and EP40 is our emotionless leader? If they were to get rid of JT, to appease our other franchise C, they had better bring in players to do a lot of heavy lifting, because Pettersson is totally incapable. Personally, i think we need to supplement the rigidity of our spine, not diminish it.

 

[Wayward Son]

4.5 x 6 for Zadorov is still crazy talk

 

[sting101]

We are so screwed if either leave

Hughes Demko Boeser and Garland the clock is ticking on all these guys. Hughes because of contract value.
If Miller goes we'll get dimes for dollars and have to retool but then we lose the Hughes contract window most importantly. To say nothing of the drop off from a top15C to ???

If Pettersson goes i guess there is a way to stay in the hunt but in a couple years when Miller should be transitioning to wing we wont have a top 10-15C at all in all likelihood. Furthermore it undermines the entirety of what Allvin has constructed with Pettersson being the lynch pin of the next wave of young Swedes who theoretically should be harmonious and supplementing Pettersson. I think the whole house of cards starts to fall

 

[andora]

Can you imagine a game like the one last night where Tom Wilson is running around doing Tom Wilson things and EP40 is our emotionless leader? If they were to get rid of JT, to appease our other franchise C, they had better bring in players to do a lot of heavy lifting, because Pettersson is totally incapable. Personally, i think we need to supplement the rigidity of our spine, not diminish it.

Agreed

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

We didn't win that game either.

 

[sting101]

4.5 x 6 for Zadorov is still crazy talk

Nah
i said this last year...

First about Soucy not being very good and that was met with a lot of friction
Second that even though Zadorov would be an overpayment it's one you could absorb through what he provides in being able to partner with a young Willander while he grows his game. Soucy would be the guy you walk from at the end of his deal because DPetey should be able to replace him by then and then you could just focus on good rentals like Provorov Maata Savard Borgen types while we contend.

Instead we spent on Heinen Desharnais Forbort the same money and could have just signed a couple more league minimums and Zadorov

As long as we walk away with a long term top2/3 LD all of this becomes moot and were better off. I think/hope that's the plan.
Instead of some cap pain though we're gonna have to part with some good assets so this offsets somewhat and that is where the signing of Zadrov has/had merits.

The injuries in the interim has just made a huge mess of it all.

 

[Nuckles]

“I’ve never experienced it to the way that this has got to the press — something in Vancouver where it’s just persisting,” former Canucks head coach Bruce Boudreau said in telephone interview Monday. “Obviously, it was there when I was there, and it’s been consistent over the years.

“But I never understand it. I’ve been on teams where there are teammates that you just don’t like and you don’t go over to their houses for dinner, or whatever. When it comes to the rink and you put that jersey on, everybody is on the same side.

“That was the case when I was there. It wasn’t a question of Miller and Petey liking each other, but if something good happened, they hugged each other. And, for the most part, they played on the same line for crying out loud. But the more we make out of it (the disconnect) the worse it is in my mind.

“There’s no doubt there’s friction because the personalities are so different. The alpha (Miller) can control the room, but one of the great things when I was there was (Tanner) Pearson being a real conduit.

“He sat beside Petey and was a really good friend with Miller. He did a lot of smoothing things out. I don’t think they have that one guy like that anymore, maybe Tyler Myers.”

 

[Bobby9]

Hog

For

Rempe

I want Rempe in case we play the Oilers in the playoffs for Nurse and Kane

 

[sting101]

Always liked and defended Pearson here

Even Horvat loved Tanner

 

[Canucker]

Nah
i said this last year...

First about Soucy not being very good and that was met with a lot of friction
Second that even though Zadorov would be an overpayment it's one you could absorb through what he provides in being able to partner with a young Willander while he grows his game. Soucy would be the guy you walk from at the end of his deal because DPetey should be able to replace him by then and then you could just focus on good rentals like Provorov Maata Savard Borgen types while we contend.

Instead we spent on Heinen Desharnais Forbort the same money and could have just signed a couple more league minimums and Zadorov

As long as we walk away with a long term top2/3 LD all of this becomes moot and were better off. I think/hope that's the plan.
Instead of some cap pain though we're gonna have to part with some good assets so this offsets somewhat and that is where the signing of Zadrov has/had merits.

The injuries in the interim has just made a huge mess of it all.

Zadorov has some intangibles that you just have to take into account when you are putting a dollar figure to...he makes the team feel bigger and braver...they know he's not going to suffer fools who try to take advantage, from the biggest to the rattiest...there are no players on the team currently that have what he has. Obviously you can't go crazy in overpaying him, but i don't think $4.5/$5m per year in a rising cap world is too outlandish for him.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

We are so screwed if either leave

Hughes Demko Boeser and Garland the clock is ticking on all these guys. Hughes because of contract value.
If Miller goes we'll get dimes for dollars and have to retool but then we lose the Hughes contract window most importantly.

If Pettersson goes i guess their is a way to stay in the hunt but in a couple years when Miller should be transitioning to wing we wont have a top 10-15C at all in all likelihood. Furthermore it undermines the entirety of what Allvin has constructed with Pettersson being the lynch pin of the next wave of young Swedes who theoretically should be harmonious and supplementing Pettersson. I think the whole house of cards starts to fall

Even back in 2019, I always saw the writing was on the wall for a rebuild by the late 2020's.

We either needed a GM to bat 1.000 or have insane luck to really where a bunch of recent draftees or college UFA's randomly bloomed to compensate for the awful drafting we saw between 2016-2021 where only 2 legitimate NHL players came out of those drafts (Hughes and Pettersson). Podz and Hoglander turned into replacement level guys.

 

[sting101]

Zadorov has some intangibles that you just have to take into account when you are putting a dollar figure to...he makes the team feel bigger and braver...they know he's not going to suffer fools who try to take advantage, from the biggest to the rattiest...there are no players on the team currently that have what he has. Obviously you can't go crazy in overpaying him, but i don't think $4.5/$5m per year in a rising cap world is too outlandish for him.

Absolutely
Nuclear deterrent
Playoff production
Able to elevate his game
Good for the media
Plus he had the chance to insulate Willander and it's possible that he could have been the guy to sit beside Pettersson *and make him feel a little more at ease about players gunning for him or even if Miller is getting too intense and personal to back him off.

*Could be completely wrong about the last part. i doubt it if they made a good stab at re signing though.

My head was at not spending another Kings ransom of draft capital and potential young assets to acquire an upgrade at D and keep other options open. I think were kinda backed into a corner now and that's why we havent been able to do anything. Every team out there thinking about moving a 2/3 D is laughing at us while we sweat more and more

 

[CanucksSayEh]

You gotta have some top players that actually take up some space, and have presence. Sherwoods, Joshuas and Juulsens don't cut it.

That game would have felt incredibly bleak if not for having someone like JT. Would just be Hughes against the world.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

My eyes!!! What happened to this place?!

As a side note I missed you all.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Zadorov has some intangibles that you just have to take into account when you are putting a dollar figure to...he makes the team feel bigger and braver...they know he's not going to suffer fools who try to take advantage, from the biggest to the rattiest...there are no players on the team currently that have what he has. Obviously you can't go crazy in overpaying him, but i don't think $4.5/$5m per year in a rising cap world is too outlandish for him.

Especially when the alternative was Forbort and Desharnais.

I could appreciate letting him walk if they were chasing Tanev or were in the hunt for a trade target that maybe fell through. It's the fact they played hardball, seemingly, without much in the way of a backup plan beyond "find some projects and hope it's Suter and Blueger 2.0."

 

[sandwichbird2023]

“I’ve never experienced it to the way that this has got to the press — something in Vancouver where it’s just persisting,” former Canucks head coach Bruce Boudreau said in telephone interview Monday. “Obviously, it was there when I was there, and it’s been consistent over the years.

“But I never understand it. I’ve been on teams where there are teammates that you just don’t like and you don’t go over to their houses for dinner, or whatever. When it comes to the rink and you put that jersey on, everybody is on the same side.

“That was the case when I was there. It wasn’t a question of Miller and Petey liking each other, but if something good happened, they hugged each other. And, for the most part, they played on the same line for crying out loud. But the more we make out of it (the disconnect) the worse it is in my mind.

“There’s no doubt there’s friction because the personalities are so different. The alpha (Miller) can control the room, but one of the great things when I was there was (Tanner) Pearson being a real conduit.

“He sat beside Petey and was a really good friend with Miller. He did a lot of smoothing things out. I don’t think they have that one guy like that anymore, maybe Tyler Myers.”

I wonder if Petey's drop off in play since early 2024 has accelerated their distain for each other? Most of us saw last year as our best chance to go on a deep playoff run, management had so much faith that they went out and spent big on a couple rentals, Petey inked his mega deal (whether you think he got forced into it or not, he banked nearly $100m as a result). Pressure and expectation was high and Petey kind of fizzled. I mean he was injured so there is that, but he wasn't hurt so bad that he actually missed any games, so when you are dressed there is an expectation that you produce somewhere close to your capability, from fans, the coaches, and most importantly the rest of the team.

I wonder if JTM saw Petey's play last season as a reason the team didn't go further, and has since increased his pressure on EP, and EP responded by pulling further and further away, thus creating a rift that is much worse than when Bruce was here?

I also wonder if the rest of the room mostly side with JTM, and that explains the reports that says that nobody stood up for Petey and he is apparently isolated in the dressing room?

It is all just speculating on my part obviously, but then it leads me to believe that trading away JTM isn't going to solve anything if the rest of the room (or most of it) is not overly supportive or sympathetic to Petey?

 

[Nick Lang]

We are so screwed if either leave

Hughes Demko Boeser and Garland the clock is ticking on all these guys. Hughes because of contract value.
If Miller goes we'll get dimes for dollars and have to retool but then we lose the Hughes contract window most importantly. To say nothing of the drop off from a top15C to ???

If Pettersson goes i guess there is a way to stay in the hunt but in a couple years when Miller should be transitioning to wing we wont have a top 10-15C at all in all likelihood. Furthermore it undermines the entirety of what Allvin has constructed with Pettersson being the lynch pin of the next wave of young Swedes who theoretically should be harmonious and supplementing Pettersson. I think the whole house of cards starts to fall

Unfortunately we're going through exactly what I was worried about when we bought out OEL's contract. Sure, we got a year (last year) of almost $0 cap for him, and it paid off big. However, now, right when we're supposed to be competing with Miller and Hughes on the prime of their deals we have a big cap hit from OEL impeding our ability to fill out the roster properly. Sure hope that the cap goes up up up, and we can navigate around the hit to add the necessary parts to compete in the next 2 years.

 

[F A N]

Don’t know. I’m just a contributor. I think same as ever since that’s how Quadrelli and Paterson go to games and practices.

Well JPat was famously denied access to JR's presser before he joined S&P?

 

[StickShift]

Teams like Columbus or Anaheim are the teams we should be hoping reach out to discuss Pettersson. Legitimate young centers with star upside on both teams.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Zadorov has some intangibles that you just have to take into account when you are putting a dollar figure to...he makes the team feel bigger and braver...they know he's not going to suffer fools who try to take advantage, from the biggest to the rattiest...there are no players on the team currently that have what he has. Obviously you can't go crazy in overpaying him, but i don't think $4.5/$5m per year in a rising cap world is too outlandish for him.

They made the right call walking away from Zadorov. When the element he brings is missing, as it was against WSH, everyone notices it here. When the game involves the more common elements, Soucy surpasses him. That's why he was a bad bet. 80% of the time, there's a better and cheaper alternatives to his normal game state.

I thought about the potential impact of Mattieu Olivier here, and then you look at his PIMs. Hoglander gets crucified for his forechecking penalities. I imagine the same would eventually be true for Olivier. No sense in chasing a bad solution.

The reason we notice WSH's physicality is that it plays at the top of the line-up: Ovie, Dubois, Protas, Wilson and even Strome is/are big. Strome was a UFA and Dubois got traded for scraps. It's possible to get a player like this, but it requires risk. And players like this don't need to fight to be impactful.

Despite their size and abrasiveness, the smaller Canucks team took it to the Caps for the majority of the game. The Caps were reeling. If the Canucks win, few are talking about Zadorov here imo.

 

[iceburg]

I find it a little weird that the Miller/EP story is still front line news. Nothing has changed in like a month. Yet the media is still rehashing to same lines about them not getting along. I get that the "media" likes to pump up stories to get clicks but this has become ridiculous. And, yes, I clicked on the story with Boudreau's take so I guess I'm part of the problem...

unrelated side note: I don't like that I'm now a question mark.

 

[Canucker]

They made the right call walking away from Zadorov. When the element he brings is missing, as it was against WSH, everyone notices it here. When the game involves the more common elements, Soucy surpasses him. That's why he was a bad bet. 80% of the time, there's a better and cheaper alternative to his normal game state.

I thought about the potential impact of Mattieu Olivier here, and then you look at his PIMs. Hoglander gets crucified for his forechecking penalities. I imagine the same would eventually be true for Olivier here. There's no easy answer.

The reason we notice WSH's physicality is that it plays at the top of the line-up: Ovie, Dubois, Protas, Wilson and even Strome is big. Strome was a UFA and Dubois got traded for scraps. It's possible to get a player like this, but it requires risk. And players like this don't need to fight to be impactful.

Despite their size and abrasiveness, the smaller Canucks team took it to the Caps for the majority of the game. The Caps were reeling. If the Canucks win, few are talking about Zadorov here imo.

Last year, I'd probably agree about Soucy....but this year he's been pretty miserable at both ends of the ice. I don't think Zadorov's only positives are the toughness, he has shown that he can move the puck fairly well and has a little bit of offense in his game...sure, he's prone to the odd brain farts...but not anywhere near the Tyler Myers level. The money wasn't what really gave me any pause about re-signing him, it was the term....I'm not saying I was fully on board with giving him what he wanted, but management really didn't do enough to make me comfortable with what they did to the defense this off-season...they needed a top 4 defenseman, they had one who wanted to come back, but they signed a bunch of noodnicks and tried to pass them off as "replacements".

 

[sting101]

If they think Willander can transition quickly then i think they messed up not signing Zadorov