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a partial list of defenseman traded since the 23/24 season ended

john marino
johnathon kovacevic
jakob chychrun
nick jensen
brian dumoulin
dylan coghlan
cody ceci
jordan harris
olli maatta
timothy liljegren
matt benning
ben gleason
ronnie attard
david jiricek
jacob trouba
urho vaakanainen
cam fowler
will borgen
pierre oliver joseph
alex carrier
justin barron
 

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a partial list of defenseman traded since the 23/24 season ended

john marino
johnathon kovacevic
jakob chychrun
nick jensen
brian dumoulin
dylan coghlan
cody ceci
jordan harris
olli maatta
timothy liljegren
matt benning
ben gleason
ronnie attard
david jiricek
jacob trouba
urho vaakanainen
cam fowler
will borgen
pierre oliver joseph
alex carrier
justin barron
I see what you're getting at. Allvin clearly messed up. He's done a lot a good things but he really failed this off season on the back end.
 

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Needs to be put to rest before it starts.

This team will never tank or retool.

No Aquilini team I've ever followed has done anything close to a tank. He would rather barely miss the playoffs and get the extra revenue than tank for a couple years. Its already starting to come up, never going to happen.
 

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Needs to be put to rest before it starts.

This team will never tank or retool.

No Aquilini team I've ever followed has done anything close to a tank. He would rather barely miss the playoffs and get the extra revenue than tank for a couple years. Its already starting to come up, never going to happen.


The owner of this team would Kill any GM that tanked or thought about it. So you know that he is burning up his phone telling at the powers that run this team to do something
 

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Roy was only signing in the States and Walker is a 3rd pairing defenseman who doesn't pk and makes almost 4 million.
thhen this season is a writeoff. too many injuries. trade some of the impending ufas for picks/prospects. dont give up lerkermakki/wallinder. no need to deplete the already bad prospect pool than it already has. even if hughes return, we donnt know if his injury would be healed 100 percent. one defenseman wont help this team. it needs a makeover on the core.
 
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Canucks enter the new year outside of a playoff spot, and their schedule only gets a lot tougher for the remainder of the season.

This team is f***ed. There's no other way to put it.

I don’t think we are quite f***ed yet - but I do think this team having success and making the playoffs now and into the future is dependent on Allvin fixing the blueline. If he can’t do it, this team is too flawed to have meaningful success.
 
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I think the team clearly needs a shake up. You don’t just deal your two franchise centremen unless the deal blows you away.

Way more likely you deal around the edges. Sell some of your ufa’s. The one guy they could deal that would really piss off the team would be Boeser.

Quite easily they could get a 1st and more. Then use it to upgrade the defense.
 

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Good luck. You're unlikely to win any trade given the state of the roster.

That's why you trade in the off season, Hogs++ should of been enough to bring in another dman, they sat on there hands and now they have another depreciated assets.
 
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That's why you trade in the off season, Hogs++ should have been enough to bring in another dman, they sat on there hands and now they have another depreciated assets.
They’re gonna need to dump Hoglander pretty damn soon otherwise we’re stuck with his dogshit contract.

Hopefully management learned their lesson to not jump the gun just because a player had a great training camp and pre season.
 

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I think the team clearly needs a shake up. You don’t just deal your two franchise centremen unless the deal blows you away.

Way more likely you deal around the edges. Sell some of your ufa’s. The one guy they could deal that would really piss off the team would be Boeser.

Quite easily they could get a 1st and more. Then use it to upgrade the defense.

If the Canucks do indeed decide to trade Miller or Pettersson, I have a hard time seeing it happening during the season. I also have a hard time picturing us winning such a trade, to be honest.
 

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Don't worry about the "plan" until marketing directs their media to start talking about "moral victories in losses", the prospects that aren't playing in the NHL and blaming the same things that affect all teams, injuries, without the context of why the impact here is so much greater than other teams, the lack of depth. All their chips are in one hand, win or bust.

I think I hear "resignation" in post game talks, a lack of emotion, professional.

Some people think firing Tocchet, they don't need to do that just yet, just don't re-sign him. Maybe he doesn't want to be in the hothouse of a Canadian city. His Adams trophy will get him another job somewhere so he is comfortable in his future.

Calgary was a team that jettisoned a bunch of highly regarded vets, the fans thought they were done, selling off long term vets did what? Got them lots of future picks and some pretty decent young players.

IMO selling more of the future to put bandaids on the same gaping wound of a lack of skill and depth, the same issues of the past 7 years is just panicking.

In hockey trades, trades for the future those can be made all year. It is easier for some team that have cap space but the Canucks can use their cap space for other teams via using retention.

Say Boeser to Minnesota, although I don't know what they have to offer that is enough for the Canucks to retain 50% of the remaining cap hit. That is something fans don't realize, the team isn't absorbing the entire cap hit at this point of the season, so as an example how much added value does Boeser have if only costing a 3 mil cap hit to the other team? Revisited this idea, they can't because they used up that tool.

Now EP and Miller are different they have too much term but there are others like Soucy, Demko, Deharnais where it is a one year hit but this management group had no issues with OEL's 7 more years, Mikheyev's 2 years buyouts/retention. Revisited this statement as well. Maybe the summer for one retention

The media is trying so hard to sell that a rebuild or retooling is so much worse than the current death by a thousand cuts. Cheerleaders for the most part, lots of they lost BUT ....

It is never too soon to make hockey decisions or is there some unwritten rule about not doing anything to distract fans from the WJC or the big stadium game? Hockey trades can happen all year anytime although it does appear that most teams take two months off in summer.

Another of Rutherford's statements when hired was he didn't need years to figure out what the team was as he had been watching it and there was lots of tapes of the previous games. Another statement that Allvin and the other 3 GM's apparently never viewed or just decided didn't matter.

A retool might not be pleasant, it will diminish the false hope of being a great team ready to win the cup but might just end up winning a cup. AND it might not be that bad.
The Canucks have not had this asset value in a decade, there are players coming off career seasons that added value so the returns will also be enhanced.
There is nothing that says the team can't get a brighter future and still sign FA's or get good players in return with the cap space they recover.
Winning a trade and perceptions, at the time the OEL trade he was thought to be the big ticket, a Canucks win add in part time NHLer RFA Garland at league minimum salary and a win of sorts. Now a few years later and that deal is a disaster for the Nucks, Garland proved out to be fairly decent but for years was over paid by millions and even now he does make an impact it just isn't enough for the cap hit pointwise. But he does have value. So the longer term returns need to be endured. Two Necas's getting 60 to 70 points for 8 years and being only 27 yrs old vs one, in 8 yrs, 32 yr old Pettersson getting 120 points. One injury to EP and a big hit, one injury to one of two and the hit is halved.

Both EP and Miller would get a great return, Boeser not as much but still good.

This year this genius management group has shot themselves in the foot again, they used up the retention spots and will have only one spot for next year. MAN, this looks almost on purpose they are comprimising the team's cap so badly eliminating most cap options, that OEL buyout hits in two ways, the cap hit and use of a retention spot add in Mikheyev's next year as well.
4 GM's and Rutherford, someone had to think of this. Pretty much negates using the cap to build the future and right now. Why else keep 500K of Poolman's LTIR cap hit? It didn't matter for Colorado as they are deep into the LTIR use already. On the Colorado side it looks like they were making sure the Canucks had one less tool to use for improvement.

While the season isn't done and there are players that will come back and this team does have a history of playing great for a 30 game stretch each year the question is are these guys who have been together for 6 to 8 years, the core, good enough or are they just fan favorites now.

Calgary, at the end of last season after selling off even more veteran assets and making a few trades were not given a chance this year, the Canucks were going to easily finish ahead of them but last post game Lomberg made a interesting statement about that group being a brotherhood and that team has live camera's in the dressing room.

In contrast to a "Brotherhood" the Canuck mantra is "They don't have to like each other". This reminds me of Burke's comments about the NJD, "they aren't a team, they are a cult".
Two conflicting statements, one of togetherness and the other of having to endure in the room struggling to just keep together. All for one and one for all. In Calgary but not the Canucks.

This team is very flawed and the window closed in the summer, now capped out essentially, not enough skilled depth, no real difference makers on the farm and one defence prospect that might be good enough to be a NHL dman, but not a top pairing guy for years yet if ever.

Can this flawed team be re-created in this year, sure but not without greater sacrifice of the future. The players they get HAVE to fit under the cap and be better than most they have already otherwise managment is just playing out the string of the next two years with lots of "moral victories" and selling players that aren't playing on the team as future hope. Hope is easy to sell when hope doesn't have to prove itself. Juloevi was hope for 4 years, Virtanen for 3 years, Hughes for a year before he even got here. Losing teams sell hope and moral victories their media select mostly only good plays and cheer possiblities rather than harder facts.

Time to rip the bandaids off and operate on the serious problems and then heal.

Take a "time out to reset"

Honesty might be welcomed b fans, that is something they seem to avoid at all costs, treating them like mushrooms, "keep them in the dark" dont' reveal anything keep everything vague, "and cover them in shat", just keep their media giving out wild speculations and riddiculing any suggestions of anything they want censored. "Oh there is no issues in the room" many posters knwo differently but are laughed at, "then again there aren't problems" after the top two players almost duke it out at practice,"thats nothing" until finally the Captain and Coach reveal the ongoing drama in the room. "cover them in shat"

A total lack of respect for the fanbase. This isn't a US city with lots of other top sports, this isn't Sweden where national interests rank higher than the NHL, this is a city like others in Canada where the life blood of the team pulses in the veins of fans.
 
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If the Canucks do indeed decide to trade Miller or Pettersson, I have a hard time seeing it happening during the season. I also have a hard time picturing us winning such a trade, to be honest.
I don’t think you win either trade but in the case of moving Pettersson they would likely be doing so because they don’t feel he’ll be worth his contact and the plan would be to reinvest that money elsewhere.

The thoughts about getting a top prospect in return are pretty silly. Most likely it’s an Eichel-like return. Probably a bit better considering Eichel’s circumstances leading to the trade.
 
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If the Canucks do indeed decide to trade Miller or Pettersson, I have a hard time seeing it happening during the season. I also have a hard time picturing us winning such a trade, to be honest.

I highly doubt they do anything major this season. Just need to ride it out now, there's no point in moving assets for marginal improvements at the moment, but we'll see where they are at the trade deadline.

 

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Injuries
  • Hughes’ injury isn’t believe to be extensive
  • Pettersson is more game-to-game
  • Ray points out that with Hughes & Hronek out, the Canucks are missing 45 minutes of defencemen
Canucks Shopping for a Top-4 Defenceman
  • Openly shopping for a top-4 defenceman
  • The feedback Dreger has got from GMs that he’s talked to is that there’s not a match for a defenceman the Canucks want because the players and pieces the Canucks are offering aren’t good enough to make the deal
  • Ray thinks there’s a higher level of urgency to add a defenceman
  • Has a feel that something has to get pushed and get done
  • Teams with defencemen are willing to wait to get a better deal out of someone else
 

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I highly doubt they do anything major this season. Just need to ride it out now, there's no point in moving assets for marginal improvements at the moment, but we'll see where they are at the trade deadline.


I have to reply to that Sat twitter.

Value of the player vs value of the team, value of winning, value of the cap space.
No they sit on their hands because they have it on easy street sitting back in their country club only worried about not getting fired. Do nothing and time ticks by, keep getting paid but maybe make a mistake and get canned.

The value of Pettersson based on the past 80 games isn't worth the 23 million they will pay him this and next year and that 23 million in cap space is worth more than the players actual value is right now.

GMs are fired all the time so maybe Allvin isn't as concerned about building a team for the next GM to excel with. Why would he care if he kind of knows it isn't likely he will be around in 3 more years? He has to try to win NOW as much as possible at any costs and not look like he is a pushover.

I think it is time for Rutherford to start making some team decisions now, it isn't like he has to worry about his next job, this could be one of his greatest legacies.
Rutherford will make the hard decisions, Allvin will not. Rutherford's career is at an end, Allvin's mid life,the other 3 GMs just tag along being good soldiers.
Allvin has his future to be worried about more than the next 3 years of this team and isn't his contract up next year too?
 
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I have to reply to that Sat twitter.

Value of the player vs value of the team, value of winning, value of the cap space.
No they sit on their hands because they have it on easy street sitting back in their country club only worried about not getting fired. Do nothing and time ticks by, keep getting paid but maybe make a mistake and get canned.

The value of Pettersson based on the past 80 games isn't worth the 23 million they will pay him this and next year and that 23 million in cap space is worth more than the players actual value is right now.

GMs are fired all the time so maybe Allvin isn't as concerned about building a team for the next GM to excel with. Why would he care if he kind of knows it isn't likely he will be around in 3 more years? He has to try to win NOW as much as possible at any costs and not look like he is a pushover.

I think it is time for Rutherford to start making some team decisions now, it isn't like he has to worry about his next job, this could be one of his greatest legacies.
Rutherford will make the hard decisions, Allvin will not. Rutherford's career is at an end, Allvin's mid life,the other 3 GMs just tag along being good soldiers.
Allvin has his future to be worried about more than the next 3 years of this team and isn't his contract up next year too?

The decisions made in the near-term are all going to relate to the pending UFAs like Boeser and Lankinen (and somewhat by proxy Demko's future). Maybe Garland shakes loose. Those are going to become pressing issues relatively soon. Pettersson and Miller can wait until the summer, and then you revisit and hope there is more market for the players if you intend on moving them.

This management team's off-season will be crucial; they can't afford another summer like the last one.
 

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Don't worry about the "plan" until marketing directs their media to start talking about "moral victories in losses", the prospects that aren't playing in the NHL and blaming the same things that affect all teams, injuries, without the context of why the impact here is so much greater than other teams, the lack of depth. All their chips are in one hand, win or bust.

I think I hear "resignation" in post game talks, a lack of emotion, professional.

Some people think firing Tocchet, they don't need to do that just yet, just don't re-sign him. Maybe he doesn't want to be in the hothouse of a Canadian city. His Adams trophy will get him another job somewhere so he is comfortable in his future.

Calgary was a team that jettisoned a bunch of highly regarded vets, the fans thought they were done, selling off long term vets did what? Got them lots of future picks and some pretty decent young players.

IMO selling more of the future to put bandaids on the same gaping wound of a lack of skill and depth, the same issues of the past 7 years is just panicking.

In hockey trades, trades for the future those can be made all year. It is easier for some team that have cap space but the Canucks can use their cap space for other teams via using retention.

Say Boeser to Minnesota, although I don't know what they have to offer that is enough for the Canucks to retain 50% of the remaining cap hit. That is something fans don't realize, the team isn't absorbing the entire cap hit at this point of the season, so as an example how much added value does Boeser have if only costing a 3 mil cap hit to the other team? Revisited this idea, they can't because they used up that tool.

Now EP and Miller are different they have too much term but there are others like Soucy, Demko, Deharnais where it is a one year hit but this management group had no issues with OEL's 7 more years, Mikheyev's 2 years buyouts/retention. Revisited this statement as well. Maybe the summer for one retention

The media is trying so hard to sell that a rebuild or retooling is so much worse than the current death by a thousand cuts. Cheerleaders for the most part, lots of they lost BUT ....

It is never too soon to make hockey decisions or is there some unwritten rule about not doing anything to distract fans from the WJC or the big stadium game? Hockey trades can happen all year anytime although it does appear that most teams take two months off in summer.

Another of Rutherford's statements when hired was he didn't need years to figure out what the team was as he had been watching it and there was lots of tapes of the previous games. Another statement that Allvin and the other 3 GM's apparently never viewed or just decided didn't matter.

A retool might not be pleasant, it will diminish the false hope of being a great team ready to win the cup but might just end up winning a cup. AND it might not be that bad.
The Canucks have not had this asset value in a decade, there are players coming off career seasons that added value so the returns will also be enhanced.
There is nothing that says the team can't get a brighter future and still sign FA's or get good players in return with the cap space they recover.
Winning a trade and perceptions, at the time the OEL trade he was thought to be the big ticket, a Canucks win add in part time NHLer RFA Garland at league minimum salary and a win of sorts. Now a few years later and that deal is a disaster for the Nucks, Garland proved out to be fairly decent but for years was over paid by millions and even now he does make an impact it just isn't enough for the cap hit pointwise. But he does have value. So the longer term returns need to be endured. Two Necas's getting 60 to 70 points for 8 years and being only 27 yrs old vs one, in 8 yrs, 32 yr old Pettersson getting 120 points. One injury to EP and a big hit, one injury to one of two and the hit is halved.

Both EP and Miller would get a great return, Boeser not as much but still good.

This year this genius management group has shot themselves in the foot again, they used up the retention spots and will have only one spot for next year. MAN, this looks almost on purpose they are comprimising the team's cap so badly eliminating most cap options, that OEL buyout hits in two ways, the cap hit and use of a retention spot add in Mikheyev's next year as well.
4 GM's and Rutherford, someone had to think of this. Pretty much negates using the cap to build the future and right now. Why else keep 500K of Poolman's LTIR cap hit? It didn't matter for Colorado as they are deep into the LTIR use already. On the Colorado side it looks like they were making sure the Canucks had one less tool to use for improvement.

While the season isn't done and there are players that will come back and this team does have a history of playing great for a 30 game stretch each year the question is are these guys who have been together for 6 to 8 years, the core, good enough or are they just fan favorites now.

Calgary, at the end of last season after selling off even more veteran assets and making a few trades were not given a chance this year, the Canucks were going to easily finish ahead of them but last post game Lomberg made a interesting statement about that group being a brotherhood and that team has live camera's in the dressing room.

In contrast to a "Brotherhood" the Canuck mantra is "They don't have to like each other". This reminds me of Burke's comments about the NJD, "they aren't a team, they are a cult".
Two conflicting statements, one of togetherness and the other of having to endure in the room struggling to just keep together. All for one and one for all. In Calgary but not the Canucks.

This team is very flawed and the window closed in the summer, now capped out essentially, not enough skilled depth, no real difference makers on the farm and one defence prospect that might be good enough to be a NHL dman, but not a top pairing guy for years yet if ever.

Can this flawed team be re-created in this year, sure but not without greater sacrifice of the future. The players they get HAVE to fit under the cap and be better than most they have already otherwise managment is just playing out the string of the next two years with lots of "moral victories" and selling players that aren't playing on the team as future hope. Hope is easy to sell when hope doesn't have to prove itself. Juloevi was hope for 4 years, Virtanen for 3 years, Hughes for a year before he even got here. Losing teams sell hope and moral victories their media select mostly only good plays and cheer possiblities rather than harder facts.

Time to rip the bandaids off and operate on the serious problems and then heal.

Take a "time out to reset"

Honesty might be welcomed b fans, that is something they seem to avoid at all costs, treating them like mushrooms, "keep them in the dark" dont' reveal anything keep everything vague, "and cover them in shat", just keep their media giving out wild speculations and riddiculing any suggestions of anything they want censored. "Oh there is no issues in the room" many posters knwo differently but are laughed at, "then again there aren't problems" after the top two players almost duke it out at practice,"thats nothing" until finally the Captain and Coach reveal the ongoing drama in the room. "cover them in shat"

A total lack of respect for the fanbase. This isn't a US city with lots of other top sports, this isn't Sweden where national interests rank higher than the NHL, this is a city like others in Canada where the life blood of the team pulses in the veins of fans.
@oba your thoughts?
 

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Trading for a top 4 D-man will not be easy.

IMO they have to keep Lekkerimaki & Willander from the prospects pool.

Hughes is the only untouchable on the current roster. There's no way to get equal value in return.

From the current roster they need to keep the following or replace them with equivalent players:
Miller
Petterson
Demko
Boeser
DeBrusk
Hronek because that's their weakest position.

If they trade either Miller or Petterson then they will need to replace the one traded with a point per game top 6 centre. Highly doubtful they can do that and get a top 4 D-man in the same trade.


That doesn't leave much value to acquire a top 4 D. It would mean cobbling together some combination of:
Garland
Joshua*
Hoglander*
Raty*
Lankinen
Sherwood
Draft picks

*value has dipped from beginning of the year.
 

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Don't worry about the "plan" until marketing directs their media to start talking about "moral victories in losses", the prospects that aren't playing in the NHL and blaming the same things that affect all teams, injuries, without the context of why the impact here is so much greater than other teams, the lack of depth. All their chips are in one hand, win or bust.

I think I hear "resignation" in post game talks, a lack of emotion, professional.

Some people think firing Tocchet, they don't need to do that just yet, just don't re-sign him. Maybe he doesn't want to be in the hothouse of a Canadian city. His Adams trophy will get him another job somewhere so he is comfortable in his future.

Calgary was a team that jettisoned a bunch of highly regarded vets, the fans thought they were done, selling off long term vets did what? Got them lots of future picks and some pretty decent young players.

IMO selling more of the future to put bandaids on the same gaping wound of a lack of skill and depth, the same issues of the past 7 years is just panicking.

In hockey trades, trades for the future those can be made all year. It is easier for some team that have cap space but the Canucks can use their cap space for other teams via using retention.

Say Boeser to Minnesota, although I don't know what they have to offer that is enough for the Canucks to retain 50% of the remaining cap hit. That is something fans don't realize, the team isn't absorbing the entire cap hit at this point of the season, so as an example how much added value does Boeser have if only costing a 3 mil cap hit to the other team? Revisited this idea, they can't because they used up that tool.

Now EP and Miller are different they have too much term but there are others like Soucy, Demko, Deharnais where it is a one year hit but this management group had no issues with OEL's 7 more years, Mikheyev's 2 years buyouts/retention. Revisited this statement as well. Maybe the summer for one retention

The media is trying so hard to sell that a rebuild or retooling is so much worse than the current death by a thousand cuts. Cheerleaders for the most part, lots of they lost BUT ....

It is never too soon to make hockey decisions or is there some unwritten rule about not doing anything to distract fans from the WJC or the big stadium game? Hockey trades can happen all year anytime although it does appear that most teams take two months off in summer.

Another of Rutherford's statements when hired was he didn't need years to figure out what the team was as he had been watching it and there was lots of tapes of the previous games. Another statement that Allvin and the other 3 GM's apparently never viewed or just decided didn't matter.

A retool might not be pleasant, it will diminish the false hope of being a great team ready to win the cup but might just end up winning a cup. AND it might not be that bad.
The Canucks have not had this asset value in a decade, there are players coming off career seasons that added value so the returns will also be enhanced.
There is nothing that says the team can't get a brighter future and still sign FA's or get good players in return with the cap space they recover.
Winning a trade and perceptions, at the time the OEL trade he was thought to be the big ticket, a Canucks win add in part time NHLer RFA Garland at league minimum salary and a win of sorts. Now a few years later and that deal is a disaster for the Nucks, Garland proved out to be fairly decent but for years was over paid by millions and even now he does make an impact it just isn't enough for the cap hit pointwise. But he does have value. So the longer term returns need to be endured. Two Necas's getting 60 to 70 points for 8 years and being only 27 yrs old vs one, in 8 yrs, 32 yr old Pettersson getting 120 points. One injury to EP and a big hit, one injury to one of two and the hit is halved.

Both EP and Miller would get a great return, Boeser not as much but still good.

This year this genius management group has shot themselves in the foot again, they used up the retention spots and will have only one spot for next year. MAN, this looks almost on purpose they are comprimising the team's cap so badly eliminating most cap options, that OEL buyout hits in two ways, the cap hit and use of a retention spot add in Mikheyev's next year as well.
4 GM's and Rutherford, someone had to think of this. Pretty much negates using the cap to build the future and right now. Why else keep 500K of Poolman's LTIR cap hit? It didn't matter for Colorado as they are deep into the LTIR use already. On the Colorado side it looks like they were making sure the Canucks had one less tool to use for improvement.

While the season isn't done and there are players that will come back and this team does have a history of playing great for a 30 game stretch each year the question is are these guys who have been together for 6 to 8 years, the core, good enough or are they just fan favorites now.

Calgary, at the end of last season after selling off even more veteran assets and making a few trades were not given a chance this year, the Canucks were going to easily finish ahead of them but last post game Lomberg made a interesting statement about that group being a brotherhood and that team has live camera's in the dressing room.

In contrast to a "Brotherhood" the Canuck mantra is "They don't have to like each other". This reminds me of Burke's comments about the NJD, "they aren't a team, they are a cult".
Two conflicting statements, one of togetherness and the other of having to endure in the room struggling to just keep together. All for one and one for all. In Calgary but not the Canucks.

This team is very flawed and the window closed in the summer, now capped out essentially, not enough skilled depth, no real difference makers on the farm and one defence prospect that might be good enough to be a NHL dman, but not a top pairing guy for years yet if ever.

Can this flawed team be re-created in this year, sure but not without greater sacrifice of the future. The players they get HAVE to fit under the cap and be better than most they have already otherwise managment is just playing out the string of the next two years with lots of "moral victories" and selling players that aren't playing on the team as future hope. Hope is easy to sell when hope doesn't have to prove itself. Juloevi was hope for 4 years, Virtanen for 3 years, Hughes for a year before he even got here. Losing teams sell hope and moral victories their media select mostly only good plays and cheer possiblities rather than harder facts.

Time to rip the bandaids off and operate on the serious problems and then heal.

Take a "time out to reset"

Honesty might be welcomed b fans, that is something they seem to avoid at all costs, treating them like mushrooms, "keep them in the dark" dont' reveal anything keep everything vague, "and cover them in shat", just keep their media giving out wild speculations and riddiculing any suggestions of anything they want censored. "Oh there is no issues in the room" many posters knwo differently but are laughed at, "then again there aren't problems" after the top two players almost duke it out at practice,"thats nothing" until finally the Captain and Coach reveal the ongoing drama in the room. "cover them in shat"

A total lack of respect for the fanbase. This isn't a US city with lots of other top sports, this isn't Sweden where national interests rank higher than the NHL, this is a city like others in Canada where the life blood of the team pulses in the veins of fans.
Could you expand on this a bit more? Lots of vague statements
 
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