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[Baby Pettersson]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

I've been an Allvin fan but pretty much agree with that article. We have the worst defence in the league at the moment, I think Allvin should look in a mirror since he's the one who assembled it.

 

[Peen]

Certainly most of that is true. Basketball is the only major sport that doesn't interest me at all. Basketball is hilarious, pay a guy 50M a year to trade him next year, pay half his salary still while he plays for another team for the next 3 years. Trade a player 3 minutes after you just drafted him. It's more of a comedy than anything.

I cheer for Ac Milan and I've seen the "curve sud" demand face to face meetings with players when results are poor. It's definitely much much insane in soccer.

Winning or even being a great player just doesn't seem to unite this fan base.


They need help from the Lions or the Whitecaps to win a trophy to ease the pain on the Canucks for a while. Lol.

Player movement and the shorter term deals are good for the sport. Salary cap should raise in the NHL along with a move to 5 year max deals.

NBA big deals have been quieter recently because all these teams went into the tax and it makes trades even harder.

I don’t agree that winning or being a great player doesn’t unite this market.

Hughes and last season are very recent examples. Sherwood and Garland get their names chanted. Fans in this market got behind Miller once he started to play defense under Tocchet. This is just recent stuff.

 

[mriswith]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

Perfect article, hammer hitting the nail on the head. Thanks for linking it.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I think they always knew who and what Pettersson was. Their decision to re-sign him was more about punting the decision about whether to trade him down the road by one-year.

It also enabled them to re-gain leverage in trade talks. Rather than risk teams seeing him as a 1.5yr rental who may “Tkachuk” himself to where he wants to go—they can now market him as being under contract for 7.5yr to all 31 teams across the league. But they only have a short window to execute this before his NMC begins this summer.

Issue is at $11.6M/yr, if they are moving him they need to do so quick before teams view his as overpaid for what he brings even with the Cap rising.

Right now, no one knows if you are getting 65pt EP or 100pt EP.

 

[racerjoe]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

The only thing I add is talk it has still had a chance to put a puck mover in the lineup and has failed to do so how much of it also is his fault with who he wants on his defense.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

What I've been saying for a while now. Tocchet catches a lot of criticism here but what the hell can any coach do with that pathetic excuse of a backend?

Remember when management talked about wanting to split up Hughes and Hronek occasionally to help spread the talent? In what world can that happen when it means you're pairing arguably the best defenseman in the league with Myers, Juulsen or Desharnais?

I like Allvin but he needs to own his mistakes this off season too. Tocchet isn't playing low event hockey because it's stubborn nor is Pettersson struggling simply because he's "immature." They're being asked to do things the team Allvin constructed isn't capable of.

Everyone needs to be better, yes. Allvin needs to address the elephant in the room: our defense absolutely sucks.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Bring up Kud from Abby.

There’s no harm in giving him some reign with Hughes and Hronek out.

Better than the hand grenade defense that’s currently being sent out.

 

[TruGr1t]

I've been an Allvin fan but pretty much agree with that article. We have the worst defence in the league at the moment, I think Allvin should look in a mirror since he's the one who assembled it.

I'm glad someone finally said this ... it's fine to blame the forwards, but the defense is a tire fire and Demko has been pretty bad since his return. Lankinen has done a fine job holding down the fort, but we're a far cry from Vezina-calibre goaltending on a near-nightly basis.

 

[Hodgy]

I think @pitseleh is correct on why Allvin didn’t mention the defense. If it was Jim
Benning then it would be a different story, but you would have to be a moron to not see the issues we have on defense.

 

[VanJack]

Too bad they couldn't have found a way to bring Zadorov back.....For the same price as Myers and Desharnais combined, they could have.

Zadorov got the $5m he was asking for, which the Canucks were reportedly prepared to match. But he got six years out of the Bruins, and all the Canucks would go was five. Unfortunately they've never really replaced him.

And with little cap space in the off-season, they were really forced to take a flyer on some pretty marginal d-men. In fact, when you deduct Hughes and Hronek, this blueline looks very much like the kind of unit you'd see on an expansion team.

But unfortunately no easy fixes, unless they start coughing up draft picks and hollowing out their already meagre prospect pool.

 

[ManVanFan]

Player movement and the shorter term deals are good for the sport. Salary cap should raise in the NHL along with a move to 5 year max deals.

NBA big deals have been quieter recently because all these teams went into the tax and it makes trades even harder.

I don’t agree that winning or being a great player doesn’t unite this market.

Hughes and last season are very recent examples. Sherwood and Garland get their names chanted. Fans in this market got behind Miller once he started to play defense under Tocchet. This is just recent stuff.

Who yells loudest at the time. I do think 5-6 year deals are better. As long as the GM's are a lot smarter than the TML GM who keeps handing out 4-5 deals with 8 year percentages.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I've been an Allvin fan but pretty much agree with that article. We have the worst defence in the league at the moment, I think Allvin should look in a mirror since he's the one who assembled it.

This is the 2nd time where he's completely neglected the D group while trying to add offense.

That first offseason was telling where they immediately took to addressing the middle 6 forward group over the D.

Mikheyev, Lazar, Kuzmenko. Their D signings? Wolanin, Hirose and McWard. We didn't stand a chance that season and waited to do the Hronek deal once the season was f***ed.

I realize the need for offense but I would rather allocate every bit of cap space and resources to improve the D group when constructing a roster.

 

[Kryten]

What would the owners have to give up for the 5ish year contract limit though

 

[Jerry the great]

The only thing I add is talk it has still had a chance to put a puck mover in the lineup and has failed to do so how much of it also is his fault with who he wants on his defense.

Which puck mover (who was available) should he have brought in? I don't disagree that the defense as constructed - particularly with one and now both of our top pair on IR - is significantly flawed, but bringing in the right guys isn't always possible. here is a list of UFA defenders signed last summer:

The only guy on that list i would have aggressively pursued at the $$/term he got is Matt Roy and there was almost no chance he would have been interested in signing in Canada.

Edmundson may have been worth the risk, but he's always struggled to stay healthy and I'm not sure he's a material upgrade over Soucy (at least the version of Soucy we saw last year)

There just wasn't a lot out there that made sense for us.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

A team that is highly dependent on their top 2 D men has neither of them? Yeah, it's going to be a rough couple of weeks. I just hope the GM doesn't make a useless panic move for the sake of doing something. Overpaid Myers, VD and Forbort. Noe one saw Soucy regressing. But I sure hope we are not dumb enough to fix a short term problem by Dim Jims solution of trading away our ELC contracts needed to meet cap problems. Because once again we are going to be in cap hell. Nearly $5M more needed for OEL and Hogs next year alone. And bowser is do a raise. And then we have to meet Hughes massive increase. Thankfully the cap is going up because we are going to need it.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

Wonderful article which talks about Allvin blaming everyone other than himself for the trash defense he put together.

Can't disagree with much or really any of this. Petey and JT have been a drag for all the known factors. But the defense makeover was a downgrade where none could be afforded.

 

[Jerry the great]

This is the 2nd time where he's completely neglected the D group while trying to add offense.

That first offseason was telling where they immediately took to addressing the middle 6 forward group over the D.

Mikheyev, Lazar, Kuzmenko. Their D signings? Wolanin, Hirose and McWard. We didn't stand a chance that season and waited to do the Hronek deal once the season was f***ed.

I realize the need for offense but I would rather allocate every bit of cap space and resources to improve the D group when constructing a roster.

Why do you assume they neglected the defense, rather than there wasn't anything available that made sense? Go back and look at the defenders who changed teams as UFAs that summer and let me know which of them we should have brought in. Niko Mikkola would have been a great add....of course I'm making that call with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight vision.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You can’t play a transition game when 2/3 of your defense can’t transition the puck.

And you sure as hell can’t do it when your two only PMD are injured.

So you either bring in more PMDs or change the system.

I don’t see Tocch changing the system.

Even if they played low event defensive first hockey, the dmen STILL have to be able to pass the puck every once in awhile. They can’t do it.

So this is a mess made by mgmt and the coaching staff not entirely on the same page to a degree.

But mgmt needs to fix it because the current d core is just not good enough. Full stop.

 

[Canucker]

Which puck mover (who was available) should he have brought in? I don't disagree that the defense as constructed - particularly with one and now both of our top pair on IR - is significantly flawed, but bringing in the right guys isn't always possible. here is a list of UFA defenders signed last summer:

The only guy on that list i would have aggressively pursued at the $$/term he got is Matt Roy and there was almost no chance he would have been interested in signing in Canada.

Edmundson may have been worth the risk, but he's always struggled to stay healthy and I'm not sure he's a material upgrade over Soucy (at least the version of Soucy we saw last year)

There just wasn't a lot out there that made sense for us.

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There wasn't a lot of good options available, but it doesn't mean you go out and spend money on bad players because thats all that is available...if they can pride themselves on being patient in the face of adverse situations like all these injuries, they should be able to be patient in the off (silly) season, when GM's spend money like drunken sailors. I'd rather that they have cap space available to take on someone of value when they become available rather than have to try and spend assets to remove the mistakes made in the off season because they got desperate.

 

[bandwagonesque]

What would the owners have to give up for the 5ish year contract limit though

Provided the HRR split is conducted in a way both sides agree is fair, I don't think the owners would have to give up anything. You'll just see more AAV on contracts as the dead wood ages out.

 

[Diversification]

Elliotte Friedman here, folks. Let me tell you, nobody gets the inside scoop on NHL trade rumours like I do, believe me—I've got the sources, the connections, and the facts that no one else has. It's incredible.

As the NHL trade deadline approaches, there are always rumblings and whispers coming from every corner of the league. This year, it seems like there's more buzz than usual, with several teams potentially looking to make significant moves.

One name that continues to come up is [Player X], whose future with his current team could be in jeopardy. Sources suggest that the team might be looking to offload him in exchange for younger talent or draft picks, although it’s possible the club is still weighing its options. There’s even talk that a potential suitor could be a Western Conference team, although that may not be the case. Some think a trade within the division could actually be more likely.

On the flip side, there’s been some speculation that [Player X] could remain where he is, as the organization may decide that the return in any trade would not be worth the loss. However, others believe that if the right deal comes along, the team would pull the trigger, especially if they’re in the market for a top-six forward or a veteran defenceman.

Then, there’s the situation involving [Player Y]. Trade chatter has been swirling around his name for months now, with rumors suggesting that a deal could be close to materializing. Some insiders have hinted that a deal to an Eastern Conference contender might be in the works, but others have suggested that the team in question might still be hesitant to part with him given his contributions on special teams. It’s possible that he could stay put, especially if the team remains in playoff contention. Yet, the uncertainty surrounding his future is certainly adding an extra layer of intrigue to the trade market.

Big if true…

 

[sandwichbird2023]

This is the 2nd time where he's completely neglected the D group while trying to add offense.

That first offseason was telling where they immediately took to addressing the middle 6 forward group over the D.

Mikheyev, Lazar, Kuzmenko. Their D signings? Wolanin, Hirose and McWard. We didn't stand a chance that season and waited to do the Hronek deal once the season was f***ed.

I realize the need for offense but I would rather allocate every bit of cap space and resources to improve the D group when constructing a roster.

Yea, it was an interesting strategy to prioritize so much to forward depth (especially wingers) over the obviously glaring weakness on the backend. I still don't get why Heinen is absolutely necessary given the bottom 6 wing depth we already have, and his signing was before the Joshua's cancer diagnosis.

I guess they were overconfident in their ability to turn UFA defensemen into solid bottom 4 players since they hit on Cole and Soucy last year, so maybe they thought they can do the same with Forbort and Desharnais?

Seems like an overly risky play for a team looking for a long playoff run. For the more risky averse people (like myself), I would've prefer extending Zadorov at $5m x 5, instead of Heinen + Desharnais, I think we would be a better team for that alone. Oh well, I'm sure it's easier being armchair GM making decisions in hindsight.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Yea, it was an interesting strategy to prioritize so much to forward depth (especially wingers) over the obviously glaring weakness on the backend. I still don't get why Heinen is absolutely necessary given the bottom 6 wing depth we already have, and his signing was before the Joshua's cancer diagnosis.

I guess they were overconfident in their ability to turn UFA defensemen into solid bottom 4 players since they hit on Cole and Soucy last year, so maybe they thought they can do the same with Forbort and Desharnais?

Seems like an overly risky play for a team looking for a long playoff run. For the more risky averse people (like myself), I would've prefer extending Zadorov at $5m x 5, instead of Heinen + Desharnais, I think we would be a better team for that alone. Oh well, I'm sure it's easier being armchair GM making decisions in hindsight.

Its interesting how bad this season has been for the Canucks.

All of there D signings have been pretty much disappointing. And Soucy has regressed.

Demko hurt, Joshuas cancer, Millers meltdown, terrible injury to Hronek, and now EP and Hughes are hurt.

They have been terrible at giving up leads, and also 3 - 8 in OT games.

The only real bright spots have been Lankinen and recently, Debrusk. (edit - Sherwood too)

Well, Hughes has played world class hockey as well.

But I am not planning on jumping off the wagon.

And seriously folks, if we end up healthy by the trade deadline, I suspect we are going to do well and be a team no one wants to play. And we have Willander and Lekkerimaki joining in for the playoffs. With a decent group of assets looking to help the team in the near future. (Raty, EP2 and Kruds)

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Its interesting how bad this season has been for the Canucks.

All of there D signings have been pretty much disappointing. And Soucy has regressed.

Demko hurt, Joshuas cancer, Millers meltdown, terrible injury to Hronek, and now EP and Hughes are hurt.

They have been terrible at giving up leads, and also 3 - 8 in OT games.

The only real bright spots have been Lankinen and recently, Debrusk. (edit - Sherwood too)

Well, Hughes has played world class hockey as well.

But I am not planning on jumping off the wagon.

And seriously folks, if we end up healthy by the trade deadline, I suspect we are going to do well and be a team no one wants to play. And we have Willander and Lekkerimaki joining in for the playoffs. With a decent group of assets looking to help the team in the near future. (Raty, EP2 and Kruds)

If we can tread water (ie: play at least .500 hockey) and Hughes and Hronek comes back on or ahead of schedule, we still has a shot at making the playoff as wild card #2 team, only because the West is pretty weak beyond the top 6-7 teams. However, with the blueline as is currently, and the struggles of our top 2 centers and #1G, I'm not confident we can play .500 hockey for a month.

Guess we'll see.

 

[Delocatedfan]

Any trade with JT Miller/NY id want Perrault or Cuylle coming back tbh. Nobody else on the Rangers interests me, not even the guy who has been my profile picture for the last 2 years.

Perrault, Cuylie, K Miller for JTM, Desharnais?

Probably other pieces to be added but to me thats a decent base to a trade although Drury probably doesn't budge on it.

Its a shame Pete & JT rift has gotten this bad.