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ManVanFan

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Would this be the cost to acquire K'Andre Miller?
(K'Andre had a pretty poor game yesterday.)

ACQUIRE​

  • Cal Petersen
  • Sean Walker
  • Blue Jackets 2023 First-found pick
  • Blue Jackets 2024 Second-round pick (conditional)
  • Kings 2024 Second-round pick
That is what Philly received for Provorov.
 

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Would this be the cost to acquire K'Andre Miller?
(K'Andre had a pretty poor game yesterday.)

ACQUIRE​

  • Cal Petersen
  • Sean Walker
  • Blue Jackets 2023 First-found pick
  • Blue Jackets 2024 Second-round pick (conditional)
  • Kings 2024 Second-round pick
That is what Philly received for Provorov.
CBJ gave up a 1 and a 2 for a heavily subsidized first pair defender with 2 years left on his deal.

Miller is younger with more years of control and has shown flashes in the past (playing with prime Trouba), but he is nowhere close to the player CBJ got IMO.

Maybe a first + Hoglander + Forbort for a partially retained Miller
 

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I think the idea is adjusting your cap allocation from one area to another, you would likely be moving other pieces to create room to bring in a $6m player in an area of need...I think the window they've established is open and while I don't think they're going to sell the farm to make improvements I can't see them sitting on their hands if there are opportunities to address immediate needs.
fair enough, but once again, if we need to acquire a $6M D man, what assets to you see going out to get us cap compliant? Taking into account it affects both this year and next. Even if the Oil offered us McDavid for Demko, we would have to gut the team to make it work.
 

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fair enough, but once again, if we need to acquire a $6M D man, what assets to you see going out to get us cap compliant? Taking into account it affects both this year and next. Even if the Oil offered us McDavid for Demko, we would have to gut the team to make it work.

Are you saying you wouldn't be prepared to "gut the team" if a Demko/McDavid swap were on the table? IMO you make that trade and figure it out.

Realistically though, you'd have to think Hoglander will be out...I wouldn't be opposed to moving Demko out...if one of Miller or EP need to go to create harmony, thats a possibility, you can also bet Desharnais would likely be jettisoned...there are a lot of ways to do these things if you are ok with taking those risks (and associated costs) to create a better balanced team.
 

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Sportsnet: Is it difficult as a GM to be patient and wait for the right trade when the team is scuffling?
Allvin: From a GM perspective, look at how there are hardly any trades. Even lateral (trades), it's just hard. So it's more like: How do you work and fix the players that we have? Do I want to see if I could shake things up and send a message to the players? Sometimes that is what's needed. this is a must.
This is tells you exactly how to read his "analysis" of the team. His quotes are gamesmanship. A generous interpretation is that this is also why he didn't mention the defense, despite that being 95% of the problem with the team, because despite being so bad they have nothing more to give. A less generous interpretation is that the defense is 95% Allvin's fault so don't mention it...

Putting more pressure on Petterson seems counter productive when, in Allvin's own quote, "And then obviously the mental part comes in there, too, and suddenly you feel the pressure." Putting more pressure on him isn't going to help, when he is unable to handle the pressure he already has. I feel like they are handling Petterson all wrong. Bruce implied that you have to coddle him, he doesn't react to tough love. Calling him out in public, rightly or not, probably just push him away even more.
This is also the same mgmt team that thought it was a great idea to ask Miller to get on EP and give him tough love to motivate him, which was obviously the absolute dumbest idea to anyone whose been following this team and those two personalities in particular for awhile.

This mgmt is generally good and has strokes of genius but they also have a growing body of decisions that are incredibly self sabotaging.
 

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Ultimately, I fear this leads to Hughes leaving in 2026 and that would be a colossal failure from this organization. Players of his calibre simply don't walk via free agency in this sport - Tavares might be the only exception. I expect McDavid to re-sign in Edmonton once his deal is up, just as Draisaitl did.

That has the potential to set this team back another decade, at which point you have to question why we invest time into watching them play at all. But at the same time, holding onto disgruntled players as their market value craters isn't a good strategy either.
 

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This is tells you exactly how to read his "analysis" of the team. His quotes are gamesmanship. A generous interpretation is that this is also why he didn't mention the defense, despite that being 95% of the problem with the team, because despite being so bad they have nothing more to give. A less generous interpretation is that the defense is 95% Allvin's fault so don't mention it...


This is also the same mgmt team that thought it was a great idea to ask Miller to get on EP and give him tough love to motivate him, which was obviously the absolute dumbest idea to anyone whose been following this team and those two personalities in particular for awhile.

This mgmt is generally good and has strokes of genius but they also have a growing body of decisions that are incredibly self sabotaging.
Agree with your takes. Allvin's done a lot of good, but he also owns this terrible defense, and he got incredibly lucky on goaltending. It would have been Delia/Martin all over again and another lost season, which it might still be...

I remember Gillis used to say that the key to a good defenseman in the NHL is their first pass. Wish Allvin and co had the same philosophy.
 

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All the good vibes from last year are essentially gone.

Hughes is incredible.

Sherwood and Lankinen have been exceptional value.

Garland has given as much as he can.

Couple others have had moments (DeBrusk, Suter).

But the rest? Meh.

There’s just nothing of note.

And the “us against the world” mentality of last year has turned into a team with no structure, identity or common purpose.

It really doesn’t matter if the team is still currently in a playoff spot. The team is off and just riding it out does not seem to be the answer.

Trouble is, what exactly is the answer? The defense needs a major overhaul yes, but if Hughes and Hronek are out and potentially dealing with injuries all year, what is the plan?

And then there’s the EP and Miller fiasco where there’s not even a consensus as to who to trade if there is a trade to be made.

Right now, it appears mgmt is willing to wait it out to see if another team panics first (Buffalo, NYR) but even they seem set out letting the team burn to the ground.

Right now, I’m falling into a state of just apathy where I want to care but can’t really get emotionally involved enough given there is no clear path forward.

It is what it is.

But for the love of newborn baby Jesus, mgmt needs to do something.
 

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Ultimately, I fear this leads to Hughes leaving in 2026 and that would be a colossal failure from this organization. Players of his calibre simply don't walk via free agency in this sport - Tavares might be the only exception. I expect McDavid to re-sign in Edmonton once his deal is up, just as Draisaitl did.

That has the potential to set this team back another decade, at which point you have to question why we invest time into watching them play at all. But at the same time, holding onto disgruntled players as their market value craters isn't a good strategy either.

That's putting the cart a little bid ahead of the horse, in my opinion. What they do from here will obviously impact it, and I'd argue the most important hinge period will be this coming summer, but I doubt anything is written in stone just yet. In fact, odds are probably fairly still strong that Hughes extends.

Resolving the Pettersson/Miller dynamic (e.g. getting both players back to form somehow), the defense, and the goaltending issue (Demko vs. pending-UFA Lankinen) are the issues of the hour.
 
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Ultimately, I fear this leads to Hughes leaving in 2026 and that would be a colossal failure from this organization. Players of his calibre simply don't walk via free agency in this sport - Tavares might be the only exception. I expect McDavid to re-sign in Edmonton once his deal is up, just as Draisaitl did.

That has the potential to set this team back another decade, at which point you have to question why we invest time into watching them play at all. But at the same time, holding onto disgruntled players as their market value craters isn't a good strategy either.
Honestly, and I’ve actually mentioned this before, but it actually wouldn’t surprise me if Allvin is in constant communication with Hughes in regards to team decisions and identifying players to target.

Hughes is the team, the most important player. He’s also very much aware with everything going on around the league both news and stats wise considering he’s mentioned this in interviews. If there’s anyone who can probably identify talent first hand, it’s him.

There’s really only rare exceptions where I’d accept a player being involved in managerial decisions and that’s reserved for guys like him.
 

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I love how open Allvin is in that interview, even if much of it is "strategic" transparency. Random thoughts after reading:

- I do think this the strict, brutally honest tone is more about sending a message to the players that management is keeping a keen eye on things, rather than actually making earth-shattering changes to the core.

- I'm not reading much into the "anything's possible" comments on Petey other than the fact that this is emblematic of an organizational philosophy that's a trademark of most successful clubs -- anything can and *should* be possible and there should never be untouchables. This obviously includes Petey too, and is in line with the comments about his need to mature -- he's gonna deal with scrutiny his entire tenure here, however long or short it may be. May as well get used to it, and if he can't hack it, better to know that now than later.

- Lots of leverage statements on our FAs to be, which is fine. Don't see Boeser leaving if they can find a middle ground at 8 AAV-ish. The comments re: Lankinen seem to be in response to the Blackwood signing more than anything.

- Still not expecting either Miller or Petey to be moved.
 

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Honestly, and I’ve actually mentioned this before, but it actually wouldn’t surprise me if Allvin is in constant communication with Hughes in regards to team decisions and identifying players to target.

Hughes is the team, the most important player. He’s also very much aware with everything going on around the league both news and stats wise considering he’s mentioned this in interviews. If there’s anyone who can probably identify talent first hand, it’s him.

There’s really only rare exceptions where I’d accept a player being involved in managerial decisions and that’s reserved for guys like him.
This team will be built around Hughes going forward—not the forwards. He will be put on a pedestal reserved for very few players.
 
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This team will be built around Hughes going forward—not the forwards. He will be put on a pedestal reserved for very few players.
Allvin informing Hughes about the FA decisions before actually signing them so far has given me a bit of confirmation bias that Hughes is in fact very much in the loop, as it should be.
 
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The interview reads to me as though the team expects that no moves are likely in the near term, presumably because so many teams are in it that not many are selling, so they are trying to give the current group a kick in the pants to keep the team in the race while they sort things out.

I’m not surprised Allvin didn’t call out the defence. Any idiot can see it’s the biggest problem. But no need to telegraph the weakness publicly to undermine any leverage you have left at this point and throw guys who are clearly trying hard but being asked to do more than they are capable of under the bus. Whereas there should be some more juice to squeeze from Pettersson and Miller.
 

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I love how open Allvin is in that interview, even if much of it is "strategic" transparency. Random thoughts after reading:

- I do think this the strict, brutally honest tone is more about sending a message to the players that management is keeping a keen eye on things, rather than actually making earth-shattering changes to the core.

- I'm not reading much into the "anything's possible" comments on Petey other than the fact that this is emblematic of an organizational philosophy that's a trademark of most successful clubs -- anything can and *should* be possible and there should never be untouchables. This obviously includes Petey too, and is in line with the comments about his need to mature -- he's gonna deal with scrutiny his entire tenure here, however long or short it may be. May as well get used to it, and if he can't hack it, better to know that now than later.

- Lots of leverage statements on our FAs to be, which is fine. Don't see Boeser leaving if they can find a middle ground at 8 AAV-ish. The comments re: Lankinen seem to be in response to the Blackwood signing more than anything.

- Still not expecting either Miller or Petey to be moved.
Agree completely. Good post
 

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Agree with many others. There no deal to be done right now.

Blowing up your core and selling your players mid season doesn't usually happen. Buffalo and New York will probably aim for a retool with one or two aging rentals being shipped out at the deadline (think a 2014 Luongo deal - Kreider is definitely a goner).

Any big moves will probably happen in the offseason when a new GM or President takes over the tire fire franchises.

With regards to this team. Hoglander and Desharnais stocks have absolutely plummeted. What is the point of trading either guy for a mid-late round pick?
 
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I find it extremely difficult to believe that mgmt and the coaching staff did not know about EP’s personality before re-signing him.

Maybe there was a hope that some “tough love” would help but it clearly hasn’t as EP played his best when Miller was away from the team.

They either need to accept him for who he is or move on before his contract becomes detrimental to the value he brings on the ice.

Trouble is, where do you move him to? For what? When do you move him?

If EP is moved, I don’t see it happening to the offseason given the team is currently still in a playoff spot and there’s little movement league wide.

With the Cap going up and teams having more flexibility regarding transactions in the offseason, any major move likely doesn’t happen till then.
 

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True Friedman special here:


Elliotte Friedman here, folks. Let me tell you, nobody gets the inside scoop on NHL trade rumours like I do, believe me—I've got the sources, the connections, and the facts that no one else has. It's incredible.

As the NHL trade deadline approaches, there are always rumblings and whispers coming from every corner of the league. This year, it seems like there's more buzz than usual, with several teams potentially looking to make significant moves.

One name that continues to come up is [Player X], whose future with his current team could be in jeopardy. Sources suggest that the team might be looking to offload him in exchange for younger talent or draft picks, although it’s possible the club is still weighing its options. There’s even talk that a potential suitor could be a Western Conference team, although that may not be the case. Some think a trade within the division could actually be more likely.

On the flip side, there’s been some speculation that [Player X] could remain where he is, as the organization may decide that the return in any trade would not be worth the loss. However, others believe that if the right deal comes along, the team would pull the trigger, especially if they’re in the market for a top-six forward or a veteran defenceman.

Then, there’s the situation involving [Player Y]. Trade chatter has been swirling around his name for months now, with rumors suggesting that a deal could be close to materializing. Some insiders have hinted that a deal to an Eastern Conference contender might be in the works, but others have suggested that the team in question might still be hesitant to part with him given his contributions on special teams. It’s possible that he could stay put, especially if the team remains in playoff contention. Yet, the uncertainty surrounding his future is certainly adding an extra layer of intrigue to the trade market.
 

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I find it extremely difficult to believe that mgmt and the coaching staff did not know about EP’s personality before re-signing him.

Maybe there was a hope that some “tough love” would help but it clearly hasn’t as EP played his best when Miller was away from the team.

They either need to accept him for who he is or move on before his contract becomes detrimental to the value he brings on the ice.

Trouble is, where do you move him to? For what? When do you move him?

If EP is moved, I don’t see it happening to the offseason given the team is currently still in a playoff spot and there’s little movement league wide.

With the Cap going up and teams having more flexibility regarding transactions in the offseason, any major move likely doesn’t happen till then.

Yes I think the same. Nothing has really changed since they inked the deal. He had a terrible second-half last season and if anything has had a few runs where he’s looked better this year. If they had issue with his previously identified personality quirks they shouldn’t have signed him.

Trading him before the all-star break on a team with a shit blue line that’s having roster issues makes no sense in context of the extension.
 

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Elliotte Friedman here, folks. Let me tell you, nobody gets the inside scoop on NHL trade rumours like I do, believe me—I've got the sources, the connections, and the facts that no one else has. It's incredible.

As the NHL trade deadline approaches, there are always rumblings and whispers coming from every corner of the league. This year, it seems like there's more buzz than usual, with several teams potentially looking to make significant moves.

One name that continues to come up is [Player X], whose future with his current team could be in jeopardy. Sources suggest that the team might be looking to offload him in exchange for younger talent or draft picks, although it’s possible the club is still weighing its options. There’s even talk that a potential suitor could be a Western Conference team, although that may not be the case. Some think a trade within the division could actually be more likely.

On the flip side, there’s been some speculation that [Player X] could remain where he is, as the organization may decide that the return in any trade would not be worth the loss. However, others believe that if the right deal comes along, the team would pull the trigger, especially if they’re in the market for a top-six forward or a veteran defenceman.

Then, there’s the situation involving [Player Y]. Trade chatter has been swirling around his name for months now, with rumors suggesting that a deal could be close to materializing. Some insiders have hinted that a deal to an Eastern Conference contender might be in the works, but others have suggested that the team in question might still be hesitant to part with him given his contributions on special teams. It’s possible that he could stay put, especially if the team remains in playoff contention. Yet, the uncertainty surrounding his future is certainly adding an extra layer of intrigue to the trade market.
“I heard rumblings that a team is looking to make a move. Stay tuned.”
 

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I find it extremely difficult to believe that mgmt and the coaching staff did not know about EP’s personality before re-signing him.

Maybe there was a hope that some “tough love” would help but it clearly hasn’t as EP played his best when Miller was away from the team.

They either need to accept him for who he is or move on before his contract becomes detrimental to the value he brings on the ice.

Trouble is, where do you move him to? For what? When do you move him?

If EP is moved, I don’t see it happening to the offseason given the team is currently still in a playoff spot and there’s little movement league wide.

With the Cap going up and teams having more flexibility regarding transactions in the offseason, any major move likely doesn’t happen till then.
I think they always knew who and what Pettersson was. Their decision to re-sign him was more about punting the decision about whether to trade him down the road by one-year.

It also enabled them to re-gain leverage in trade talks. Rather than risk teams seeing him as a 1.5yr rental who may “Tkachuk” himself to where he wants to go—they can now market him as being under contract for 7.5yr to all 31 teams across the league. But they only have a short window to execute this before his NMC begins this summer.
 
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