Grub's Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Early Trade Deadline

Reverend Mayhem

Tell me all your thoughts on God
Feb 15, 2009
28,891
6,058
Port Coquitlam, BC
It's not...the media isn't there to write puff pieces about our favorite teams, and you don't need to be a journalism major to write about sports. It's funny that fans want to read about "positive" things about the team....well, after last season I think there was a lot of positivity, at least "cautiously optimistic" positivity...but the home record and internal issues have taken some of the wind out of people's sails, so they aren't going to wax poetic about this season...so far. Why should they?

The media can be thought of as the vacuum of the market. Which kind of sucks for us since the rain makes us so negative. We'll end up drive Petey or Miller out, it's just natural. Like frogs and scorpions.
 

Canucker

Go Hawks!
Oct 5, 2002
25,903
5,076
Oak Point, Texas
The media can be thought of as the vacuum of the market. Which kind of sucks for us since the rain makes us so negative. We'll end up drive Petey or Miller out, it's just natural. Like frogs and scorpions.
Vancouver's fans (and media) are pretty tough and demanding, but ultimately fair IMO...if Petey and/or Miller are driven out of Vancouver, it'll be by virtue of either poor work habits or poor performance compared to their salary...all things that happen everywhere around the league. It's rare to have players like the Sedins retire only playing for one team.
 

JanBulisPiggyBack

Registered User
Dec 31, 2011
3,901
2,791
My expectation is this team makes a change concerning this rift between Miller and Petey, its a pivotal moment for this team, its become the distraction in the room. This team runs through Hughes and although Petey and Miller are very important parts, this team still runs on Hughes, everybody else is replaceable.
I'm a huge fan of both players, I'd lean more towards Miller honestly as there are few players in this league who play with this level of compete as Miller, I'd suspect if he moved this season that whatever team lands him ends up in the Cup finals... ( can you imagine a Miller vs Petey final that would be something else )

By the deadline I'm expecting the change to take place, few managers have a challenge this big ever in their careers, but they can make the team better going forward, at the same time we can drop the ball massively.

As far as the media goes, I really think they have under reported it, and whatever is being talked about isn't in my opinion negative, sure it exacerbates the tension a bit but this isn't a negative media moment
 

Reverend Mayhem

Tell me all your thoughts on God
Feb 15, 2009
28,891
6,058
Port Coquitlam, BC
Vancouver's fans (and media) are pretty tough and demanding, but ultimately fair IMO...if Petey and/or Miller are driven out of Vancouver, it'll be by virtue of either poor work habits or poor performance compared to their salary...all things that happen everywhere around the league. It's rare to have players like the Sedins retire only playing for one team.

The dice've already been rolled on this one. I guess we'll see from here.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Canucker

UrbanImpact

Registered User
Apr 12, 2021
4,457
6,867
EPs injury, might have an effect on whther or not we make a trade soon. They said its minor but it to me it looked like he took a shot on the knee. The same knee he was alredy dealing with tendinitis.

Will be curious to see today if he is practicing.
 

Nucker42

Registered User
Nov 27, 2011
2,671
1,994
K'Andre Miller returning just in time for the holiday freeze ending :sarcasm:


He’s a guy I would be all over. Should be a bit of a buy low guy on a down year. Think he’s an RFA? So lots of control still. He would slot in really nicely on the 2nd pair.

Soucy perfectly in the 3rd pair.

Forbort doesn’t matter he’ll be hurt in 4 games. Brandstrom can be the 7-8 guy.

Could see Miller and Willander becoming a really cool pair. Shut down guys.
 

theguardianII

Registered User
Jan 30, 2020
3,813
1,905
By the deadline I'm expecting the change to take place, few managers have a challenge this big ever in their careers, but they can make the team better going forward, at the same time we can drop the ball massively.

As far as the media goes, I really think they have under reported it, and whatever is being talked about isn't in my opinion negative, sure it exacerbates the tension a bit but this isn't a negative media moment
I think most people thought the Hronek trade was a win. But since he hasn't really been hugely better. Hughes is getting great numbers mostly without him.

Now two of those picks traded are key players at the WJC's for Sweden and Detroit.
Whereas Hronek, regardless of the reported lower body procedure, which could be true but that could be one of two procedures with the shoulder issue being in there as well. What leg injury requires 8 weeks? And if so he won't be coming back then if he spent up to 2 months off the ice not skating. EDIT - now showing upper body injury on one site HF Reference;
Upper-Body The Vancouver Canucks placed D Filip Hronek on long-term injured reserve on Thursday (Dec. 5).

The media around here has been doing as they are told, they just about all work for Rogers, the team or rely on the them for income. That is why they don't "break" any news until reported by independents. This is and it has not been uncommon, before social media (who knew about O'Brien at the Roxie?) to keep somethings out of the limelight. Media often monitored themselves keeping a lot of personal stuff out of the news. There were always rumors about some stuff but then mostly snippets and then media kept silent or just buried that stuff.

Now it is mandated.

This "rift" has been around for years, sometimes it gets revealed and can't be covered up easily. How many remember Miller and Horvats comments after the Covid season in the dressing room? Miller had to go public recanting his and Horvat's got dismissed as "after the game", he didn't really feel that way.
RRiiiight!
Notice how they don't do dressing room interviews in Vancouver anymore. They do in other teams. The room has issues so "out of sight is out of mind".

TOMORROW COULD BE A BIG DAY

For the Canucks the schedule will heat up quite a bit. Less practice time, games every two days, more higher competition (better teams) fighting for a PO spot. Lots of "4 point" games against conference rivals.

Even if Hronek gets cleared as now healthy IF he had a leg procedure that would have kept him ff the ice so it will be further weeks before he is effective.
While it was good the team won their last game, there were lots of areas of concern still, first that team is 2nd worst in the league, Canucks were still out shot in the third period and if not for a judgement call from the "war room" the score could have been much different. There have been many goals disallowed with a lot less interference in the league. Garland went into the blue unaided, his stick made contact with the goalie, he stayed still in the blue untouched, hooked the goalie's stick even if by accident preventing it being used to stop a shots or off balance the goalie. That could have easily been disallowed, instead it counted, a penalty was called and within seconds the Canucks scored again. 17 seconds apart for a 2 goal lead.
This was a win, but not really earned, more luck.

Pettersson left the game in the third, I reviewed and could not find an instance where he was hit badly and in the usual Tocchet black hole of info, "he was banged up" but it must have been a different game. Now will he play tomorrow? Or was he pulled ......? Just thought I would throw that in there ;) :D

Only confirmed rumors allowed but if confirmed then are they still rumors? :D

I guess what will happen now?
 
Last edited:

Vector

Moderator
Feb 2, 2007
28,763
50,094
Junktown
He’s a guy I would be all over. Should be a bit of a buy low guy on a down year. Think he’s an RFA? So lots of control still. He would slot in really nicely on the 2nd pair.

Soucy perfectly in the 3rd pair.

Forbort doesn’t matter he’ll be hurt in 4 games. Brandstrom can be the 7-8 guy.

Could see Miller and Willander becoming a really cool pair. Shut down guys.

He’s my preference over Byram. Should cost a little less, has had greater production, and is big. Lots of risk with him, though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: andora

Bobby9

Registered User
Feb 10, 2019
2,669
3,578
EPs injury, might have an effect on whther or not we make a trade soon. They said its minor but it to me it looked like he took a shot on the knee. The same knee he was alredy dealing with tendinitis.

Will be curious to see today if he is practicing.


The recent 'injury'?

Or the 'injury' he said he healed from and worked around?

Or the made up 'injury' posters on HF have made up?
 

PavelBure10

The Russian Rocket
Aug 25, 2009
6,330
8,740
Okanagan
Sure hoping there is a trade made soon. This team is more of a pretender than contender this season imo. Last season Everything had to go right in order to be a truly successful season and it did until the playoffs. This year has been a total disaster. Hronek gets hurt early. Pettersson and Miller apparently hate each other. The Canucks suck at home. Soucy and Myers have been a train wreck on defense. Demko takes a half a season to return from a injury he suffered last year. The list goes on and on. At this point I am not against making some major moves in order to regain chemistry in the locker room. The only untouchable being Quinn Hughes. With no moves made the Canucks won't be beating any good team in a 7 game series, let alone be making the playoffs. This year has really been a struggle.
 

ChilliBilly

Registered User
Aug 22, 2007
7,385
4,720
chilliwacki
Sure hoping there is a trade made soon. This team is more of a pretender than contender this season imo. Last season Everything had to go right in order to be a truly successful season and it did until the playoffs. This year has been a total disaster. Hronek gets hurt early. Pettersson and Miller apparently hate each other. The Canucks suck at home. Soucy and Myers have been a train wreck on defense. Demko takes a half a season to return from a injury he suffered last year. The list goes on and on. At this point I am not against making some major moves in order to regain chemistry in the locker room. The only untouchable being Quinn Hughes. With no moves made the Canucks won't be beating any good team in a 7 game series, let alone be making the playoffs. This year has really been a struggle.
I think you are selling the team short. They have yet to have a full team, with Hronek, Miller and Demko missing significant time. then we have the EP - Miller thing. And 2ndary players like Joshua late getting into the play.

Sadly, the 4 big boys on D have been a disappointment ...

But we have the team to win with if we just get most of them firing on all cylinders. Norris trophy winner, Vezina finalist and 2 top lines (well EP, Jake and ?, and Miller Boes and ?). We should be doing better. Let's see how Jan goes. That road trip will be a real tester.

Edit- and I am not against making a trade, as long as we get good value from it. Preferably we fleece someone.
 

UrbanImpact

Registered User
Apr 12, 2021
4,457
6,867
Sure hoping there is a trade made soon. This team is more of a pretender than contender this season imo. Last season Everything had to go right in order to be a truly successful season and it did until the playoffs. This year has been a total disaster. Hronek gets hurt early. Pettersson and Miller apparently hate each other. The Canucks suck at home. Soucy and Myers have been a train wreck on defense. Demko takes a half a season to return from a injury he suffered last year. The list goes on and on. At this point I am not against making some major moves in order to regain chemistry in the locker room. The only untouchable being Quinn Hughes. With no moves made the Canucks won't be beating any good team in a 7 game series, let alone be making the playoffs. This year has really been a struggle.


If you believe the Canucks are pretenders,

then we should be doing everything in our power to move these players by the deadline.

Boeser
Lankinen
Suter

Re-asses the Petey and Jt Miller thing in the summer and rebuild the team then.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cfj007

Nick Lang

Registered User
May 14, 2015
2,462
955
Man, I'd love to see even one example of it being as bad as you're describing.

1735324670651.png
Haha.

Really just insert any one of these clowns in here.

I mean look at the scrum with Miller the other day where he was just wasting everyone's time answering the same stupid questions. Once again the reporter just goes right at him accusing him and Petey of being in a rift like a 5 year making up questions for his cute little pseudo interview. Like c'mon there has to be something of substance you can think of and not just the lowest hanging fruit imaginable. What crap coverage in every aspect. There is more to the Canucks then that. Much more I would be interested in hearing about like relative and unique player information that isn't just regurgitated from blowhards online.

It's not...the media isn't there to write puff pieces about our favorite teams, and you don't need to be a journalism major to write about sports. It's funny that fans want to read about "positive" things about the team....well, after last season I think there was a lot of positivity, at least "cautiously optimistic" positivity...but the home record and internal issues have taken some of the wind out of people's sails, so they aren't going to wax poetic about this season...so far. Why should they?

I'm looking at the NFL or even premier league/pro soccer where their coverage and quality is just through the roof compared to this stuff. They don't even have to be positive, but at the end of the day it helps if at least some of the media is on the teams side. They also report on things that you've never heard of before and you can tell it took more than 15 minutes to whip up a report or interview. Something they've put effort into. I don't need positive but intelligent, informative, and thoughtful substance. Yeah, I'd like some of that please. Not the menage of crap mundane reporting we have.

You think it's funny that fans want to read positive things about the team? Well yeah I guess if you don't then this stuff is right up your alley. I think that's a little odd though. Ideally most people like positive reports about things they value.
 
  • Like
Reactions: quat

Soups On

Registered User
Apr 27, 2012
3,946
2,303
On paper, the forwards, top pair, and goaltending is quite good with elite talent in the most notable positions. The team is underperforming and I don't think Tocchet's system is playing to the strengths of this group. BUT - it seems his system is restricted due to the defense being incapable of moving the puck up the ice or sending a solid breakout pass.

The strategy is pass it to the Hart candidate to see if he can fix your problems and it's ass. There's been glimpses of the forwards creating space and using it by consistently moving their feet but it's few and far between. I'm sold that this is a system problem and Tocchet needs to change things up to drive more puck possession. Maybe acquiring a top 4 D will embolden him to change things up - I dunno.
 
  • Like
Reactions: racerjoe

PavelBure10

The Russian Rocket
Aug 25, 2009
6,330
8,740
Okanagan
I think you are selling the team short. They have yet to have a full team, with Hronek, Miller and Demko missing significant time. then we have the EP - Miller thing. And 2ndary players like Joshua late getting into the play.

Sadly, the 4 big boys on D have been a disappointment ...

But we have the team to win with if we just get most of them firing on all cylinders. Norris trophy winner, Vezina finalist and 2 top lines (well EP, Jake and ?, and Miller Boes and ?). We should be doing better. Let's see how Jan goes. That road trip will be a real tester.

Edit- and I am not against making a trade, as long as we get good value from it. Preferably we fleece someone.

You're probably right that I might be selling this team short but this defense is absolutely atrocious, other than Hughes and Hronek this is seriously a AHL caliber D. "All" contending teams are looking looking for top 4 defensemen and the Canucks need two of them. I don't think the Canucks have the assets to bring in two very good defensemen. Willander should help when his season is done and can fill one of the spots but I don't see how Allvin can pull of the magic this year to build a contender. I sure hope I am wrong because last years playoffs were thrilling and I'd like to see it again.
 

Canucker

Go Hawks!
Oct 5, 2002
25,903
5,076
Oak Point, Texas
I'm looking at the NFL or even premier league/pro soccer where their coverage and quality is just through the roof compared to this stuff. They don't even have to be positive, but at the end of the day it helps if at least some of the media is on the teams side. They also report on things that you've never heard of before and you can tell it took more than 15 minutes to whip up a report or interview. Something they've put effort into. I don't need positive but intelligent, informative, and thoughtful substance. Yeah, I'd like some of that please. Not the menage of crap mundane reporting we have.

You think it's funny that fans want to read positive things about the team? Well yeah I guess if you don't then this stuff is right up your alley. I think that's a little odd though. Ideally most people like positive reports about things they value.

I'm not looking for the media to be on any "side"...report about the team, the players, coaches, management, ownership...good and/or bad, you aren't there to make the fanbase feel better or worse, you're there to bring a perspective. Up until about the last year and a half, I think fans have been treated to nearly a decade of absolute crap from ownership on down, and the media (who are generally fans themselves) have had ample low hanging negative fruit to write about, and they have...when the negatives outweigh the positives that's what you're going to get, and when the positives outweigh the negatives the stories will become a little more upbeat. If you want 24/7 positive press watch Canucks.tv hits or read/listen to IMac because thats about all they offer, but I don't think its reflective of the reality of this organization. You can crap on Drance, a lot of people like to because he has strong takes on the team, but for the most part I think he's generally fair and intelligent in his assessments of the team...doesn't mean he's always accurate or that I agree with him, but he's generally someone who makes fair or reasonable points.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad