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[Bourne Endeavor]

Miller to the Rangers
Kreider to the Red Wings
Compher, Lindgren, 2nd, 3rd to the Canucks

My god.

I thought we were getting Kreider and Lindgren. Which is still absolutely terrible, but somehow it's actually worse.

 

[krutovsdonut]

My god.

I thought we were getting Kreider and Lindgren. Which is still absolutely terrible, but somehow it's actually worse.

maybe the angle he was going for is that we would get a "jt" back?

it's got to be one of the most clueless proposals i have seen in a long time from someone who actually made their living from hockey at one point.

 

[Vector]

Looking at his history, and a 3 year old article on CanucksArmy, looks like Steve Werier was a lawyer for the team. I’ll guess that he was more on the contract side and had a role similar to Chris Gear.

This isn’t a positive.

 

[Nucker42]

That PJ article is embarrassing, and I normally like the guy.

The real interesting tidbit in that piece IMO is the bit about the empty seats. All of this rift talk feels manufactured because general interest in the Canucks is lacking. And a lot of it probably is because times are tough, but sports are going through a bit of a reckoning I think (look at the NBA and the ratings plummet) with so many other forms of entertainment being available 24/7.

Capturing attention is hard, and the only way these guys can seem to do it is by creating a soap opera around a volatile team.

Totally disagree. How is it manufactured when several different credible reporters have come out with varying bits of info confirming the issues?

Even Hughes and Tochett confirmed it when asked.

The interest in the team is lacking because they’ve sucked at home and are very boring to watch.

This whole “the media is the problem” narrative is the only embarrassment I’ve seen. These guys are millionaires and have it easy compared to 15-20 years ago without travelling media. 99% of the time they get soft ball questions.

 

[ManVanFan]

Totally disagree. How is it manufactured when several different credible reporters have come out with varying bits of info confirming the issues?

Even Hughes and Tochett confirmed it when asked.

The interest in the team is lacking because they’ve sucked at home and are very boring to watch.

This whole “the media is the problem” narrative is the only embarrassment I’ve seen. These guys are millionaires and have it easy compared to 15-20 years ago without travelling media. 99% of the time they get soft ball questions.

The issue I have with the Van media is always the bleak outlook towards the Canucks. The beating a dead horse thing. Asking the same question 20 times because they didn't like the answer that was given the first 19 times. The ability to generate topics of discussion about the Canucks is amateur. The amount of coverage makes for little content for each. Just repetitive in nature. The past like 5 GM's have all come out and said Canucks media will dig into something until it's beaten to death and it was really nothing at all.

 

[TruGr1t]

The issue I have with the Van media is always the bleak outlook towards the Canucks. The beating a dead horse thing. Asking the same question 20 times because they didn't like the answer that was given the first 19 times. The ability to generate topics of discussion about the Canucks is amateur. The amount of coverage makes for little content for each. Just repetitive in nature. The past like 5 GM's have all come out and said Canucks media will dig into something until it's beaten to death and it was really nothing at all.

The main drivers of the dressing room issues have been out of town media, mainly Biznasty, Friedman, Seravalli and Strickland. Any recent local coverage has been off the back of out-of-market reports.

I think the local media are largely a bunch of fans with microphones, but they haven’t driven it this time.

 

[Canucks LB]

For people that want JT Miller gone, let’s not forget to just less than a year ago he was literally THE team, in the playoffs.

Post-Game Talk: - WCSF GM05 | Canucks defeat Oilers | 3-2 (Soucy, Di Giuseppe, & Miller) | JT MILLER *clap* *clap* *clap*

SAY IT LOUD

forums.hfboards.com

 

[racerjoe]

For people that want JT Miller gone, let’s not forget to just less than a year ago he was literally THE team, in the playoffs.

Post-Game Talk: - WCSF GM05 | Canucks defeat Oilers | 3-2 (Soucy, Di Giuseppe, & Miller) | JT MILLER *clap* *clap* *clap*

SAY IT LOUD

forums.hfboards.com

I don’t want miller gone, but I also don’t think it’s that black and white.

 

[ProviesGhost]

unfreeze this roster you cowards, we need trades!

 

[Vector]

unfreeze this roster you cowards, we need trades!

Not until 12:01am Saturday.

 

[Vector]

The high-end reclamation tier

• Nils Hoglander is the only player in this tier
• Some rebuilding teams view him as a worthwhile reclamation project
• Win-now teams view him as an affordable short-term answer that also has long-term value
• Around the league, there’s high regard for his potential, skill, & hustle
• Has a larger pool of potential buyers than one would think because both contending & rebuilding teams are interested

The expensive depth contributor tier

• Vincent Desharnais is in this tier along with Danton Heinen
• Cites Beauvillier for a 5th as an example
• Term and cap hit restrict their value but doesn’t eliminate it
• Neither play would make it through waivers
• Likely would get a late-round pick back in a trade
• Potentially could get more back if there’s retention or are taking back salary

 

[ManVanFan]

The high-end reclamation tier

• Nils Hoglander is the only player in this tier
• Some rebuilding teams view him as a worthwhile reclamation project
• Win-now teams view him as an affordable short-term answer that also has long-term value
• Around the league, there’s high regard for his potential, skill, & hustle
• Has a larger pool of potential buyers than one would think because both contending & rebuilding teams are interested

The expensive depth contributor tier

• Vincent Desharnais is in this tier along with Danton Heinen
• Cites Beauvillier for a 5th as an example
• Term and cap hit restrict their value but doesn’t eliminate it
• Neither play would make it through waivers
• Likely would get a late-round pick back in a trade
• Potentially could get more back if there’s retention or are taking back salary

Why would they be trading Heinen?

 

[Nucker42]

The issue I have with the Van media is always the bleak outlook towards the Canucks. The beating a dead horse thing. Asking the same question 20 times because they didn't like the answer that was given the first 19 times. The ability to generate topics of discussion about the Canucks is amateur. The amount of coverage makes for little content for each. Just repetitive in nature. The past like 5 GM's have all come out and said Canucks media will dig into something until it's beaten to death and it was really nothing at all.

I hear what you’re saying but I don’t remember Petey even being asked about it before the recent incident. Definitely lots of talk in the media which I’m sure trickles down to the players but they really don’t get asked about it at all.

Comes up when they are losing for sure but the reality is this team has virtually no travelling media. The majority of the questions are coming from reporters paid by the team/Sportsnet.

I think a lot of this comes from years of mismanagement with Benning. 10 years of being a bad team developed a lot of mis trust from fans/media.

Even now, the team is so weird about injuries and personnel movement. Lots of examples.

I do agree with you but I just think most of this is self inflicted.

 

[TruGr1t]

The high-end reclamation tier

• Nils Hoglander is the only player in this tier
• Some rebuilding teams view him as a worthwhile reclamation project
• Win-now teams view him as an affordable short-term answer that also has long-term value
• Around the league, there’s high regard for his potential, skill, & hustle
• Has a larger pool of potential buyers than one would think because both contending & rebuilding teams are interested

The expensive depth contributor tier

• Vincent Desharnais is in this tier along with Danton Heinen
• Cites Beauvillier for a 5th as an example
• Term and cap hit restrict their value but doesn’t eliminate it
• Neither play would make it through waivers
• Likely would get a late-round pick back in a trade
• Potentially could get more back if there’s retention or are taking back salary

I would be bloody floored if Desharnais did not make it through waivers. Maybe someone needs a literal warm body on defense, but I doubt someone takes the entire thing for free.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I would be bloody floored if Desharnais did not make it through waivers. Maybe someone needs a literal warm body on defense, but I doubt someone takes the entire thing for free.

Never underestimate GMs and their obsession with big, dumb defensemen. Even the good ones are still swayed by the allure.

 

[Vector]

Why would they be trading Heinen?

I only included him because him and Desharnais are in the same category. He’s not the one that’s relevant in that category, though.

 

[Nucker42]

I only included him because him and Desharnais are in the same category. He’s not the one that’s relevant in that category, though.

They traded Sprong. I don’t think he’s been terrible but also hasn’t been good either. Could see them shipping him off.

 

[Kryten]

Never underestimate GMs and their obsession with big, dumb defensemen. Even the good ones are still swayed by the allure.

Yea, remember when we swindled a dummy to take Gudbranson? Wait, no. Shit

 

[VanJack]

As we work our way further into January and past the half-way mark of the season, the 'contenders' and 'pretenders' tend to separate themselves.

At that point the scramble is on to acquire the services of impending UFA d-men, or guys with expensive contracts that teams want to dump.

I could see guys like Provorov and maybe Matheson being available to the Canucks.....problem is they're both left-shot d-men. Acquiring a serviceable right-shot defender may well be impossible.

That's why I believe they'll give Wilander a long look in March.

 

[David71]

Not until 12:01am Saturday.

thought it was friday . and then possibly see moves afterwards maybe on new years eve. or the game after seattle is done. early 1pm starts/

Why would they be trading Heinen?

he signed back here to come home and play he can slot in and down the lineup. verstaility is key. i rather keep him. where would the penalty killing be without him and suter?

 

[Nick Lang]

The issue I have with the Van media is always the bleak outlook towards the Canucks. The beating a dead horse thing. Asking the same question 20 times because they didn't like the answer that was given the first 19 times. The ability to generate topics of discussion about the Canucks is amateur. The amount of coverage makes for little content for each. Just repetitive in nature. The past like 5 GM's have all come out and said Canucks media will dig into something until it's beaten to death and it was really nothing at all.

100%. These media guys are just absolutely dense and the worst in the business. Hack city. For real, can't they ask legitimately thought provoking questions without being complete derogatory assholes the entire time and at every turn? Does the narrative always have to be some negative downward spiral with no insight, hope, or legitimate goal-setting? There is a complete void of any quality reporting. This group is no better than an internet blogger with no educational background at all. Honestly, the discourse here is light years ahead of the Canucks media in just about all regards. I can't remember the last time I actually looked forward to a breakdown from one of these people.

 

[Nick Lang]

Why would they be trading Heinen?

Well, Sherwood has completely passed him on the depth chart. I think it's fair to say that if their salaries were reversed and Heinen only made $1.5 mil instead of $2.25 it's not as much of a question. As such he's a tad expensive on the fourth and someone could possibly play that role cheaper. Sassoon or Raty perhaps? Of course there is his PK minutes and above average fourth line capability but he also hasn't been a complimentary top 6 option like many hoped. Suter also pushes him further down the line-up as another rare bright spot.

thought it was friday . and then possibly see moves afterwards maybe on new years eve. or the game after seattle is done. early 1pm starts/


he signed back here to come home and play he can slot in and down the lineup. verstaility is key. i rather keep him. where would the penalty killing be without him and suter?

He is versatile but he also hasn't found a stable set of line-mates either. Good puzzle piece to have though I guess but possibly expendable for an upgrade.

 

[ManVanFan]

Well, Sherwood has completely passed him on the depth chart. I think it's fair to say that if their salaries were reversed and Heinen only made $1.5 mil instead of $2.25 it's not as much of a question. As such he's a tad expensive on the fourth and someone could possibly play that role cheaper. Sassoon or Raty perhaps? Of course there is his PK minutes and above average fourth line capability but he also hasn't been a complimentary top 6 option like many hoped. Suter also pushes him further down the line-up as another rare bright spot.



He is versatile but he also hasn't found a stable set of line-mates either. Good puzzle piece to have though I guess but possibly expendable for an upgrade.

Heinen hasn't been pushed off the depth chart though. Really they would probably need two players above him to actually make him not needed. Canucks aren't in cap hell.

 

[rypper]

100%. These media guys are just absolutely dense and the worst in the business. Hack city. For real, can't they ask legitimately thought provoking questions without being complete derogatory assholes the entire time and at every turn? Does the narrative always have to be some negative downward spiral with no insight, hope, or legitimate goal-setting? There is a complete void of any quality reporting. This group is no better than an internet blogger with no educational background at all. Honestly, the discourse here is light years ahead of the Canucks media in just about all regards. I can't remember the last time I actually looked forward to a breakdown from one of these people.

Man, I'd love to see even one example of it being as bad as you're describing.

 

[Canucker]

Man, I'd love to see even one example of it being as bad as you're describing.

It's not...the media isn't there to write puff pieces about our favorite teams, and you don't need to be a journalism major to write about sports. It's funny that fans want to read about "positive" things about the team....well, after last season I think there was a lot of positivity, at least "cautiously optimistic" positivity...but the home record and internal issues have taken some of the wind out of people's sails, so they aren't going to wax poetic about this season...so far. Why should they?