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[Diversification]

"The way that they’re promoting players, particularly on their social media channels"

Hah seriously wtf is this.

Check the date of the article: October 19, 2022. It's shortly after Boudreau was let go and it's possible the mood in the room was off because of that.

As for Miller and EP, it's likely there's something there but it'll probably never fully come to light. But I would say that neither guy really covets QH's captaincy.

 

[Nuckles]

Preds reporter saying Trotz is pushing hard to get Cozens tonight

 

[TruGr1t]

We pay too much attention to what people say, and how they act, rather than what they do imo.

Pettersson had every chance to leave here. He never caused a fuss behind the scenes (Dhaliwal). He delayed re-signing here, and that was the first indication of uncertainty. Franchise players in his position sign in their first offseason of eligibility (generally). But then, he re-signs for max term. That commitment should trump every other narrative. It absolutely destroys some outright.

Pettersson does NOT want a fresh start from Vancouver, imo. He wants a fresh start from Miller.

Maybe, but I think this is going down a road now where even if that wasn't the case originally, it is moving in that direction. It does not sound like the "dressing room vibe" that has now been referenced by basically every beat writer that covers the team, just comes down to Pettersson vs. Miller.

 

[wonton15]

Preds reporter saying Trotz is pushing hard to get Cozens tonight

Oh god, they’re going to go full Benning and trade something huge.

I love it from an “at least it’s not us” perspective

 

[valkynax]

Preds reporter saying Trotz is pushing hard to get Cozens tonight

 

[PavelBure10]

While I was working I was thinking of BS trades in my head.

Miller to Rangers for Zibanejad, K Andre Miller


Pettersson to Buffalo for Thompson, Byram

Add in a couple of minor pieces to even it out.

Then wondered to myself would this be a better team than before? Certainly would be on defense.

 

[StreetHawk]

Oh god, they’re going to go full Benning and trade something huge.

I love it from an “at least it’s not us” perspective

What is huge from Nash that is young?

It’s only draft capital which is highly valuable and Buffalo doesn’t want that. Or should t target that.

 

[theguardianII]

We pay too much attention to what people say, and how they act, rather than what they do imo.

Pettersson had every chance to leave here. He never caused a fuss behind the scenes (Dhaliwal). He delayed re-signing here, and that was the first indication of uncertainty. Franchise players in his position sign in their first offseason of eligibility (generally). But then, he re-signs for max term. That commitment should trump every other narrative. It absolutely destroys some outright.

Pettersson does NOT want a fresh start from Vancouver, imo. He wants a fresh start from Miller.

Pettersson's first indication? No.
The first indication goes back to the signing of his second contract. Wanting to play on a winning team and in the playoffs.

This time the team was going well at the time and the team threatening a trade may have swayed him AND that group was pretty damn good and looking like they could have been kept together, then some trades and change in Tocchet's system to a more defensive team.
There could also have been promises of a future trade if things didn't go good.

His contract places expectations on him for performance but like SO MANY posters were on Miller's "humanity" and "personal issues should be ignored" well what about Pettersson then?

Maybe he just can't play under Tocchet's system but he triesbut he has never, ever been a "boards guy" in his hockey life`. He didn't get to be 5th overall by being Tocchet.

There was WAY more in Miller's absence than "just personal"?

The room has an issue and those that were on EP's side are gone, the star Euro's always played different hockey than the dump and pray systems with very few exceptions.

Any trade of Miller or Pettersson might look like a Canuck loss at first. When Benning traded for OEL that didn't look like an Arizona win but look now, Guenther is making that trade look pretty good now.

There is just too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

 

[Nuckles]

What is huge from Nash that is young?

It’s only draft capital which is highly valuable and Buffalo doesn’t want that. Or should t target that.

If a bottom feeder that likely has no chance of climbing out of the basement offers their 1st for your mediocre middle six forward making 7M/year until 2030, you take that and don't look back.

With that being said I doubt Nashville dangles their 1st, but Trotz seems completely out of his mind lately.

 

[Szechwan]

While I was working I was thinking of BS trades in my head.

Miller to Rangers for Zibanejad, K Andre Miller


Pettersson to Buffalo for Thompson, Byram

Add in a couple of minor pieces to even it out.

Then wondered to myself would this be a better team than before? Certainly would be on defense.

Zib is looking like an absolute boat anchor. Stay far, far away.

 

[Bgav]

Zib is looking like an absolute boat anchor. Stay far, far away.

Not to single out anyone, but anyone even mentioning Zibs is mindboggling. He's been dog shit for a while going back to last years playoffs.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Nashville seems like an odd trading partner for Buffalo. I can't see Buffalo wanting any of their aging stars, and I can't see Nashville having any interest in shipping out Forsberg or Josi. Who the heck does that leave?

Would have to think Luke Evangelista would be part of whatever goes back, if a deal does happen.

 

[valkynax]

I'm starting to get the feeling that nothing will happen for us today, except for a loss against Vegas.

 

[Vector]

Nashville seems like an odd trading partner for Buffalo. I can't see Buffalo wanting any of their aging stars, and I can't see Nashville having any interest in shipping out Forsberg or Josi. Who the heck does that leave?

Would have to think Luke Evangelista would be part of whatever goes back, if a deal does happen.

Sounds insane and counter-productive but Predators could trade Ryan O'Reilly. He doesn't have any form of trade protection. Other than him, they can pretty offer a futures package and not much else. Well...unless someone is willing to waive their NMC/NTC.

 

[wonton15]

Nashville seems like an odd trading partner for Buffalo. I can't see Buffalo wanting any of their aging stars, and I can't see Nashville having any interest in shipping out Forsberg or Josi. Who the heck does that leave?

Would have to think Luke Evangelista would be part of whatever goes back, if a deal does happen.

Weird partners for sure, but Buffalo does have pieces that a Benning mold GM would want, like Skjei (disgusting contract, but if they’re going to trade Byram, it makes sense they might target him to veteran up that d-core).

Other than that, Evangelista, L’Heureux, Novak, Parssinen are all there too.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Preds reporter saying Trotz is pushing hard to get Cozens tonight

I saw Barry had no clue who it was referring too. First thought was Goldberg.

 

[sting101]

My take...

Pettersson has a big ego is guarded cliquey in the past had everyone cater to him worried he would walk ala Tkachuk. Not that he was but he certainly kept the cards close and his play backed up that of a young burgeoning superstar so naturally the team and coaches did what needed to be done to keep him here.

Miller on the other hand is an extreme alpha has a big ego is outspoken and now has another 2 former alphas Coaching who appreciate communicate and support him better with Hughes Hronek and the teams top goal scorer Boeser. Last year start to finish he was the engine up front that made us a top team. One of the best years by a Canuck forward ever this year is a different story. I think he has disdain for 40s contract and emotional and physical buy in

Him and Miller dont get along off ice this is not news. They work together and when winning it's not a big deal because the media leaves it alone and the players are content

Last year no big deal team is a wagon. Until the contract and then the playoffs where a disconnect and contempt has grown for Pettersson and continues to now fester in media and fan circles. The room is not right that much has been leaked by insiders

Miller going after Pettersson at practice. His own play plus being injured plus Pettersson's play injuries and attitude towards the coaches and perhaps even teammates (Hughes and Boeser have also shown disregard for Pettersson) during this time. The way he's played through it has further exasperated the situation to the point of awkwardness and perhaps even having some reason to do with Miller needing a reset. Not totally convinced of that but the timing fits.

Tocchet is in the mix. On one hand he benched Miller for an entire period and took him off PP1 and on the other he stripped Hoglander pretty damn quick off Petterssons line and plays him with Sasson Desharnais and Brannstrom. In Miller he hasn't been right pretty much from the start but he's emotional at least (good or bad mostly good) In Pettersson he had an awful start to piggy back off his stretch run and playoffs and still has had back to back weekend no shows which says something to me about commitment and attitude.

I dont get the idea that 40 and Tocchet are very friendly right now and then add whatever Miller needed a reset for and the odd usage and line mates and deployment and i think this is where were at.

The good news is it's December Demko is back both are getting healthy and a defenceman or 2 will be coming as well as Joshua is coming along. The bad news is all signs are this has gotten worse with Pettersson Tocchet Miller and others. Hopefully they can get this sorted

 

[Bleach Clean]

The first indication goes back to the signing of his second contract. Wanting to play on a winning team and in the playoffs.

The team was going well at the time and the team threatening a trade may have swayed him AND that group was pretty damn good and looking like they could have been kept together, then some trades and change in Tocchet's system to a more defensive team.
There could also have been promises of a future trade if things didn't go good.

His contract places expectations on him for performance but like SO MANY posters were on Miller's "humanity" and "personal issues should be ignored" well what about Pettersson then?

Maybe he just can't play under Tocchet's system but he triesbut he has never, ever been a "boards guy" in his hockey life`. He didn't get to be 5th overall by being Tocchet.

There was WAY more in Miller's absence than "just personal".

The room has an issue and those that were on EP's side are gone, the star Euro's always played different hockey than the dump and pray systems with very few exceptions.

Any trade of Miller or Pettersson might look like a Canuck loss at first. When Benning traded for OEL that didn't look like an Arizona win but look now, Guenther is making that trade look pretty good now.

There is just too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

By second contract I'm assuming you mean the one he just signed, not the bridge deal he signed with Benning.

I mentioned that a franchise player that does not re-sign in the offseason throws up a red flag. That was the first indication. We are both referencing this point as the first point of uncertainty.

 

[supercanuck]

My take...

Pettersson has a big ego is guarded cliquey in the past had everyone cater to him worried he would walk ala Tkachuk. Not that he was but he certainly kept the cards close and his play backed up that of a young burgeoning superstar so naturally the team and coaches did what needed to be done to keep him here.

Miller on the other hand is an extreme alpha has a big ego is outspoken and now has another 2 former alphas Coaching who appreciate communicate and support him better with Hughes Hronek and the teams top goal scorer Boeser. Last year start to finish he was the engine up front that made us a top team. One of the best years by a Canuck forward ever this year is a different story. I think he has disdain for 40s contract and emotional and physical buy in

Him and Miller dont get along off ice this is not news. They work together and when winning it's not a big deal because the media leaves it alone and the players are content

Last year no big deal team is a wagon. Until the contract and then the playoffs where a disconnect and contempt has grown for Pettersson and continues to now fester in media and fan circles. The room is not right that much has been leaked by insiders

Miller going after Pettersson at practice. His own play plus being injured plus Pettersson's play injuries and attitude towards the coaches and perhaps even teammates (Hughes and Boeser have also shown disregard for Pettersson) during this time. The way he's played through it has further exasperated the situation to the point of awkwardness and perhaps even having some reason to do with Miller needing a reset. Not totally convinced of that but the timing fits.

Tocchet is in the mix. On one hand he benched Miller for an entire period and took him off PP1 and on the other he stripped Hoglander pretty damn quick off Petterssons line and plays him with Sasson Desharnais and Brannstrom. In Miller he hasn't been right pretty much from the start but he's emotional at least (good or bad mostly good) In Pettersson he had an awful start to piggy back off his stretch run and playoffs and still has had back to back weekend no shows which says something to me about commitment and attitude.

I dont get the idea that 40 and Tocchet are very friendly right now and then add whatever Miller needed a reset for and the odd usage and line mates and deployment and i think this is where were at.

The good news is it's December Demko is back both are getting healthy and a defenceman or 2 will be coming as well as Joshua is coming along. The bad news is all signs are this has gotten worse with Pettersson Tocchet Miller and others. Hopefully they can get this sorted

Source for where are you getting the stuff about attitude towards coaches and Hughes/Boeser from?

 

[Wisp]

Yes. Citation needed.

 

[valkynax]

Call me insane but I am really not a fan of all these locker room speculations.

If everything is true, then what, put it out there for as many fans as possible to find out, and force team to make changes with a good chance to regret it?

If it's all bullshit, there goes team morale, we just Drury-ed ourselves.

During the Reign of Error, something like this would not surprise me the least bit. But based on what we've already seen in recent years, our front office and coaching staff, flawed as they may be, has shown with reasonable consistency that they are capable people. Why not just leave it for the team to find a solution?

 

[sting101]

Source for where are you getting the stuff about attitude towards coaches and Hughes/Boeser from?

It's "my take"

Early in the year Hughes was looking off Pettersson. Wouldn't pass to him on the PP.

Boeser has made comments about how happy he was to be back with Miller after playing with Pettersson.

Neither are central to my opinion or a big deal but add to the divisions that exist in usage and personnel and how they co exist on ice. I also feel Hoglander not getting a fair shake with Pettersson is likely a bit of a tender subject between the 2 good friends

"Attitude towards coaches" is the lack of response. The weekend no shows and having to be called out "Petey Petey Petey" "4or 5 no shows" " the injury presser at seasons end and having to field constant questions while not getting a consistent effort and now being pulled off the PP.

I mean something is at play no?

 

[Diversification]

I can believe that JTM has some bully-ish tendencies that some might find off-putting. I remember him saying in an interview in favor of being passionate that he thinks it's great when you have 2 teammates screaming at each other at practice and then playing hard for each other during the game. That can be a form of blowing off steam, but I can see how that's not everyone's cup of tea. Probably, not Petey's cup of tea in particular.

 

[supercanuck]

It's "my take"

Early in the year Hughes was looking off Pettersson. Wouldn't pass to him on the PP.

Boeser has made comments about how happy he was to be back with Miller after playing with Pettersson.

Neither are central to my opinion or a big deal but add to the divisions that exist in usage and personnel and how they co exist on ice. I also feel Hoglander not getting a fair shake with Pettersson is likely a bit of a tender subject between the 2 good friends

"Attitude towards coaches" is the lack of response. The weekend no shows and having to be called out "Petey Petey Petey" "4or 5 no shows" " the injury presser at seasons end and having to field constant questions while not getting a consistent effort and now being pulled off the PP.

I mean something is at play no?

Thanks for the response. I guess we see it a bit differently. For one, I highly doubt that QH is purposefully not passing to EP out of spite. Also, I can't imagine Brock saying anything else (not really out ordinary, IMO)

The coaching thing is definitely weird. I see it as Tocc's attitude towards EP, rather than the other way around. I think that Tocc would choose JT over EP. They are similar players.

 

[Vector]

Come on, give us a 4pm Thursday trade as a treat.