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[Wisp]

willander is going to be good as soon as spring lol. ridiculous overpay and shortsighted when some of our defense solution is in our back yard.


anyways.


thinking about them using miller on different PP units... what if they have a frame of deal in place to add a player like Byram, want him to quarterback a second unit? lol.

 

[Vector]

thinking about them using miller on different PP units... what if they have a frame of deal in place to add a player like Byram, want him to quarterback a second unit? lol.

Even having a second unit is kind of antiquated. A few seasons ago I proposed instead of thinking of separate units think of it like football play packages. Use personnel differently to give different looks and have different strategies. I would leave Hughes out there (the QB) the entire time but can rotate everyone else. Also helps utilize skillsets of specific players far more effectively.

 

[LemonSauceD]

It's all about how we can spin it.

on Desharnais: hey we got a big strong defenseman who can PK and hit really hard.

on Hoglander: awww look at this lil PIGGY!!!

You gotta use a lot of hyperboles while using the exclamation mark inflection. Bonus if you can sound like a passionate but guttered German while conveying it.

HOGLANDER! YES HIM! THE NEXT MARCHAND! THE NEXT ST LOUIS. OR THE NEXT GRETZKY! IF HE WISHES TO BECOME THAT! YES WE ARE OFFERING HIM ONLY BECAUSE WE THINK HE CAN REACH HIS DESTINY ELSEWHERE! NOOO! WE WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS THAN AN EQUIVALENT COUNTERPART! SUCH AS MAYBE BYRAM! OR KAKKO! WE CAN ALSO GET STARTED ON DESHARNAIS!

 

[bossram]

Potential injuries aren't really different for any players, the risk is there every game, and Byram is still an RFA.

I was trying not to get excited about a possible big trade but the EF info on top of the other things you summarized previously... There's a ton of smoke billowing.

Given the circumstances in Buffalo, maybe very steep isn't as accurate as it once was, they're getting desperate. The fit between the two teams for multiple, multiple possible pieces is really too good to ignore.

Looking at our cap sheet, it's pretty efficient. We're arguing about which bottom roster piece to cut to save a few dollars... it doesn't make sense.
Surely management sees this and the difficulties it creates trying to add pieces, this season and after, including Boeser and now Lankinen...

Byram is basically perfect fit for what this team needs, in all aspects, add in a potential Willander and the defense is suddenly completely stacked when healthy.

We have what Buffalo wants and they have what we want, somethings gotta happen either big or small , I'll be shocked if it's nothing 3/4 weeks from now.

The bolded really just isn't true. We know that for guys with a concussion history, they are more likely to get concussed again. And really for guys with other types of injuries as well (particularly things like shoulders and knees), previous injuries make it more likely that they'll get injured in that area again. It's how it is.

Byram simply hasn't been the same since the Avs Cup run. He's never played at nearly that level since. He's also had several head injuries. There is serious risk he simply can't be that player anymore (and is at risk of even more severe injury) and dismissing that out of hand is foolish.

Like, I would still be interested in him because he is a talented player and we've seen what he is at the peak of his game. But there is a lot risk in whether he can reach that again. It's been years since. We also don't really have many tradeable assets beyond draft picks (if you're excluding Willander and Lekk) - which really shouldn't be of that much interest to BUF.

 

[VanillaCoke]

The bolded really just isn't true. We know that for guys with a concussion history, they are more likely to get concussed again. And really for guys with other types of injuries as well (particularly things like shoulders and knees), previous injuries make it more likely that they'll get injured in that area again. It's how it is.

Byram simply hasn't been the same since the Avs Cup run. He's never played at nearly that level since. He's also had several head injuries. There is serious risk he simply can't be that player anymore (and is at risk of even more severe injury) and dismissing that out of hand is foolish.

Like, I would still be interested in him because he is a talented player and we've seen what he is at the peak of his game. But there is a lot risk in whether he can reach that again. It's been years since. We also don't really have many tradeable assets beyond draft picks - which really shouldn't be of that much interest to BUF.

All of which are known quantities that management would factor into his valuation, we're not talking Willander or Lekk territory.

Hockey is a risky sport, it's risky for Byram the same way it's risky for any other player. Byram could get concussion again easier than had he not had a concussion history yeah sure, he could also get innumerable other serious injuries at any point.


For acquisition purposes imo, his injury history isn't a major detractor, that's all.

 

[Curm]

Buffalo are ripe for the picking, but aside from Dahlin, which isn't happening, the only D I'm interested in is Byrum, and I'm a little concerned about his concussion history.

Then you have the cost, cap fit, and new contract. There has to be cap going out, while being an immediate benefit to Buffalo, I don't see them being interested in futures.

 

[ManVanFan]

Buffalo are ripe for the picking, but aside from Dahlin, which isn't happening, the only D I'm interested in is Byrum, and I'm a little concerned about his concussion history.

Then you have the cost, cap fit, and new contract. There has to be cap going out, while being an immediate benefit to Buffalo, I don't see them being interested in futures.

Dang, your new to here aren't ya.

 

[Canucker]

willander is going to be good as soon as spring lol. ridiculous overpay and shortsighted when some of our defense solution is in our back yard.


anyways.


thinking about them using miller on different PP units... what if they have a frame of deal in place to add a player like Byram, want him to quarterback a second unit? lol.

As much as one would hope Willander can come in and make an immediate impact, he's still only a 19 year old defenseman (20 in February) with zero professional experience and it wouldn't appear he is dominating at the collegiate level...hard for a management group to pin all their hopes on that.

 

[Quinning]

I would want Power over Dahlin.

 

[Jerry the great]

I would want Power over Dahlin.

why?

 

[Skirbs1110]

The concern for me with Byram is the obvious concussion history, but also what the next contract looks like.

Byram cost to aquire and new contract are probably both higher than what it would take to aquire and re sign K'andre Miller.

 

[bossram]

All of which are known quantities that management would factor into his valuation, we're not talking Willander or Lekk territory.

Hockey is a risky sport, it's risky for Byram the same way it's risky for any other player. Byram could get concussion again easier than had he not had a concussion history yeah sure, he could also get innumerable other serious injuries at any point.


For acquisition purposes imo, his injury history isn't a major detractor, that's all.

Again, no. He has more injury risk. Especially with concussions (of which he's had multiple), where we know there is an elevated risk of re-injury and the recovery timelines are murky. This is a fact. It has to be taken into consideration.

Like I said, if we're excluding Williander or Lekk, there aren't really many tradeable assets to even make a deal that BUF might be interested in. Are they moving Byram for a 1st + 2nd? I don't think anymore picks are that valuable to them.

And again, like I said, his Byram's current level of play is a concern. He's never come close to reaching his performance during the Avs Cup run.

 

[Vector]

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

And again, like I said, his Byram's current level of play is a concern. He's never come close to reaching his performance during the Avs Cup run.

Agree with you about the concussions (and don't like Byram as a target), but this specifically doesn't concern me. That's just the Buffalo Suck Vortex™.

 

[Jerry the great]

what am i supposed to listen to this myself?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Can't wait for mgmt to bring Luke Schenn home.

 

[TruGr1t]

As Seravalli noted, there's got be stuff going on beyond Buffalo. Will be interesting to see who they get in the end (and what pieces are moved). Sounds like a trade is not that far off. Suspect people may end up surprised.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Hoping for K'Andre Miller

Expecting Byram

 

[credulous]

please just don't trade kudryavtsev

 

[Jerry the great]

As Seravalli noted, there's got be stuff going on beyond Buffalo. Will be interesting to see who they get in the end (and what pieces are moved). Sounds like a trade is not that far off. Suspect people may end up surprised.

the car is pulled over to the side of the road and smoke is billowing out of the hood.

maybe Terry met the team in Montreal for a pep talk, or maybe he wanted a face to face to make it clear to Adams which of the half dozen irons in the fire were doable and which were not.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

please just don't trade kudryavtsev

I think he's the most likely to move of the Nucks "Big 4" defensive prospects.

1. Willander - very unlikely to move esepcially as he's RHD
2. Mynio - seems like a steal and can play in all situations
3. EP 2 - Big, stay-at-home dman that I think mgmt and staff will love

So that leaves Kudryavstev who's style seems like the most likely to be "expendable" if in a trade for a player who fits more of the current team needs.

 

[Vector]

what am i supposed to listen to this myself?

Unfortunately I’m away on a work trip today so a recap won’t be coming until late in the afternoon.

 

[Jerry the great]

I think he's the most likely to move of the Nucks "Big 4" defensive prospects.

1. Willander - very unlikely to move esepcially as he's RHD
2. Mynio - seems like a steal and can play in all situations
3. EP 2 - Big, stay-at-home dman that I think mgmt and staff will love

So that leaves Kudryavstev who's style seems like the most likely to be "expendable" if in a trade for a player who fits more of the current team needs.

I think they'd trade Mynio before Kudryavtsev. The later has been de-risked, the former has not.

 

[Vector]

Hoping for K'Andre Miller

Expecting Byram

I tried to figure out what Miller’s injury and it’s just “upper body” with no indication how or where he got hurt.

 

[Vector]

I think they'd trade Mynio before Kudryavtsev. The later has been de-risked, the former has not.

Mynio also has a lot of hype after being named to Team Canada.