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[Quinning]

you are correct. That was the best chance this core will get. Everybody was on a heater all year long. Was a great team until the ASG. Even after their were glimpses

EP disappearing act was and Demko injured were to much.

The team from the first half of last season likely wins the Cup. They were absolutely rolling.

 

[JT Milker]

Outside of a 1 for 1 trade for another disgruntled star like Tkachuk, we will lose an EP trade. We’re better off trying to trade for another dman that can keep possession and play him with EP’s line.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Way too many teams in various forms of turmoil for nothing to happen sooner than later

Seems like a couple teams could make a reasonably large move, including the Canucks and their itchy trigger.

Idk if hog makes it to next year ..

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Send EP to CBJ for Johnson, Sillinger and Mateychuk.

 

[Quinning]

I really wish we hadn't traded Podkolzin to the Oilers. 6 points in his last 9 games. I get that he's playing with Draisaitl right now, but he doesn't look out of place.

They should have sent him somewhere in the East.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Cozens is in his 5th NHL season, is turning 24 soon, has had ONE season over 50 points and 20 goals (2 years ago, was 5th on his team in points with 68), and is on pace for his least productive season (34 points) since his rookie year. Oh yeah, he's also signed to a terrible contract until 2030.

I'll pass on him unless Buffalo is adding a ton of value to unload that contract in a Pettersson trade.

I like Cozens and Byram a lot as players. But you nail it, Cozens has struggled for a while outside of his one standout season. And again, I just can't picture a scenario where we win a Petey trade.

 

[bossram]

I really wish we hadn't traded Podkolzin to the Oilers. 6 points in his last 9 games. I get that he's playing with Draisaitl right now, but he doesn't look out of place.

They should have sent him somewhere in the East.

Being the forechecky 3rd wheel to an elite linemate was always the maximum upside for Podkolzin.

He's actually being put in that role and lo and behold, he's making something of it. When Bruce had him with Petey, he looked similarly competent.

It is what it is. This brass likes Their Guys and punts away anyone who isn't.

 

[Rowlet]

You are way more likely to acquire a Hampus Lindholm or something with the 17th overall pick than you are to select a good player that actually lines up with this team's competitive window. I hate this idea that if there isn't an obvious move to bolster this team, we have to give up.

Yeah, especially when you consider that Allvin has only ever made out of the box moves, that's way more likely.

 

[PavelBure10]

Petey is rumored to be on the block, but with Miller turning 32 in a couple of months he may be the better candidate to trade. I would be more apt to do Friedmans Cozens and Byram made up rumor with Miller rather than Petey. In all honesty I would much rather keep both star centers. Hopefully this all gets laid to rest and both players find their game and get things sorted out.

Focus on trading Hoglander and Desharnais first before doing anything too drastic.

 

[MS]

Being the forechecky 3rd wheel to an elite linemate was always the maximum upside for Podkolzin.

He's actually being put in that role and lo and behold, he's making something of it. When Bruce had him with Petey, he looked similarly competent.

It is what it is. This brass likes Their Guys and punts away anyone who isn't.

The new brass was hired like 20 games into Podkolzin's ELC. They tried bloody everything for almost 3 years to get him to a point where he was an effective player for this team. This wasn't a guy kicked to the curb lightly after a limited amount of effort/resources were put into him. Same deal with Hoglander.

Edmonton right now is just 'Puljujarvi-ing' him where a marginal talent can look passable if they're glued to McDavid/Draisaitl.

 

[Quinning]

I like Cozens and Byram a lot as players. But you nail it, Cozens has struggled for a while outside of his one standout season. And again, I just can't picture a scenario where we win a Petey trade.

If I'm trading Pettersson to Buffalo, Owen Power needs to be coming back the other way.

Former 1st overall defenceman, 22 years old, 19 points in 35 games, 6'6 230lb. He is exactly who I would play next to Hughes for the foreseeable future.

$8.35 million for the next 7 years, so cap wise it could be done with an additional player added in.

 

[bossram]

The new brass was hired like 20 games into Podkolzin's ELC. They tried bloody everything for almost 3 years to get him to a point where he was an effective player for this team. This wasn't a guy kicked to the curb lightly after a limited amount of effort/resources were put into him. Same deal with Hoglander.

Edmonton right now is just 'Puljujarvi-ing' him where a marginal talent can look passable if they're glued to McDavid/Draisaitl.

Again, that was basically the role he was projected to have from his draft year: could be a top-six player if glued to another elite talent. And that's what he's doing now.

I'm not even criticizing them trading him. There was no roster room for him. I would have preferred they kept him around rather than signing (and again, predictably punting) Sprong, but that's how it goes.

He wasn't going to get an opportunity here anymore. And the new brass wasn't going to give it to him.

 

[Vector]

Again, that was basically the role he was projected to have from his draft year: could be a top-six player if glued to another elite talent. And that's what he's doing now.

I'm not even criticizing them trading him. There was no roster room for him. I would have preferred they kept him around rather than signing (and again, predictably punting) Sprong, but that's how it goes.

He wasn't going to get an opportunity here anymore. And the new brass wasn't going to give it to him.

He also hadn’t shown himself capable of seizing a job here. His work in the AHL wasn’t encouraging.

 

[credulous]

i don't really understand any of the logic of a pettersson trade. miller isn't going to be a first line c forever and you're not going to get anyone back that can be a first line c in the future and help out now. it feels like it just shortens the clock for this core

i guess maybe if they know hughes is uninterested in extending then this season and the next couple are all that matter you move pettersson but otherwise if pettersson and miller can't coexist (and this imo is the only reason to move pettersson right now) you move miller, right?

 

[LemonSauceD]

I really wish we hadn't traded Podkolzin to the Oilers. 6 points in his last 9 games. I get that he's playing with Draisaitl right now, but he doesn't look out of place.

They should have sent him somewhere in the East.

Love Podkolzin, an absolute G, but Sherwood makes him redundant.

Still, wouldn't mind him over Heinen.

If I'm trading Pettersson to Buffalo, Owen Power needs to be coming back the other way.

Former 1st overall defenceman, 22 years old, 19 points in 35 games, 6'6 230lb. He is exactly who I would play next to Hughes for the foreseeable future.

$8.35 million for the next 7 years, so cap wise it could be done with an additional player added in.

Hughes-Power-Hronek-Willander would be one heckuva a d core im not gonna lie.

 

[Jerry the great]

Any deal for Pettersson only gets done if the root cause of his play isn't easily explainable and resolvable.

If the knee issue WAS legitimate and prevented him from a proper offseason of training but isn't expected to going forward, they'll ride this year out and as frustrating as it will be, they probably should.

If he's got an issue with the knee that looks to be chronic, or if there is an effort/engagement issue and it's creating friction with the team.....he'll soon be gone IMO.

Not a big fan of Tage or Cozens, but....

Byram + McLeod + their unprotected first would be interesting.

Very good defensive C who produces at ES, is a top penalty killer in the league and has the size/speed to go against the Mc's and Mac's.

mobile number 3 defender who would look awfully good next to Willander as soon as mid March.

A 1st round pick that looks like it could be top 5-10 is a big trade chip to play. whether they play it down the stretch (packaged with our own + other assets for something big), or incubate it until it's a known known it could return a piece that puts us over the top.

Is Kevyn desperate enough to stick his unprotected first in a deal?

 

[theguardianII]

He wasn't going to get an opportunity here anymore. And the new brass wasn't going to give it to him.

You mean the coach, management doesn't make game time rosters so only one person's decision.

Lots of talk now around Canuck possible trades. Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Hoglander, Deharnais, Heinen, but Garland hasn't been included yet.

The number of names out there, big names, does that mean anything? No other teams in the top half of the league except the Rangers, have as many names out there.

 

[MS]

Again, that was basically the role he was projected to have from his draft year: could be a top-six player if glued to another elite talent. And that's what he's doing now.

I'm not even criticizing them trading him. There was no roster room for him. I would have preferred they kept him around rather than signing (and again, predictably punting) Sprong, but that's how it goes.

He wasn't going to get an opportunity here anymore. And the new brass wasn't going to give it to him.

They tried playing him up the lineup here and it didn't work.

They gave this guy a ton of rope and a ton of time and it just wasn't working. At some point the onus is on the player to actually perform.

Guys like Myers and Hoglander were 'old regime' players who got tons of opportunity here as well and new contracts because of it.

 

[Canucker]

It would be ballsy to the point of stupid to trade EP mid-season, unless he was such a distraction to the team that management's hand was forced...if you make the move you'd better make sure you win it because these are legacy type moves that your name gets pinned to forever.

 

[bossram]

They tried playing him up the lineup here and it didn't work.

They gave this guy a ton of rope and a ton of time and it just wasn't working. At some point the onus is on the player to actually perform.

Guys like Myers and Hoglander were 'old regime' players who got tons of opportunity here as well and new contracts because of it.

One of the Bruce seasons where Podz played consistently with Petey, he did actually look competent. But like you and @Vector noted, it's not like he really profiled by this point as a noteworthy prospect, which is why my reaction to trading him was basically "shrug".

I'm just saying, the only way Podz was ever going to be A Guy in the NHL was as a third wheel to elite linemates. And that a team that is using him that way is actually getting some utility out of him is not surprising.

Myers is an old regime guy, but he's also one of the new regime's Guys. He's big and likeable. Those are basically the preconditions to being a Tocc favourite. Hoglander is an interesting case. Allvin sees something in him, but Tocc does not want to use him. I predict he will be gone in fairly short order.

 

[ChilliBilly]

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

 

[theguardianII]

Love Podkolzin, an absolute G, but Sherwood makes him redundant.

Still, wouldn't mind him over Heinen.


Hughes-Power-Hronek-Willander would be one heckuva a d core im not gonna lie.

If Willander can play in the NHL but he might not be that effective for a few years. If the Caanucks couldn't stomach a 2/3/4 dman for 5 mil I doubt a raw dman at 8 mil is an option. Maybe Samuelsson

Any deal for Pettersson only gets done if the root cause of his play isn't easily explainable and resolvable.

If the knee issue WAS legitimate and prevented him from a proper offseason of training but isn't expected to going forward, they'll ride this year out and as frustrating as it will be, they probably should.

If he's got an issue with the knee that looks to be chronic, or if there is an effort/engagement issue and it's creating friction with the team.....he'll soon be gone IMO.

Not a big fan of Tage or Cozens, but....

Byram + McLeod + their unprotected first would be interesting.

Very good defensive C who produces at ES, is a top penalty killer in the league and has the size/speed to go against the Mc's and Mac's.

mobile number 3 defender who would look awfully good next to Willander as soon as mid March.

A 1st round pick that looks like it could be top 5-10 is a big trade chip to play. whether they play it down the stretch (packaged with our own + other assets for something big), or incubate it until it's a known known it could return a piece that puts us over the top.

Is Kevyn desperate enough to stick his unprotected first in a deal?

IMO Petersson is trying to play Tocchet's hockey, often his hits are more than his shots. AND I still thought PCS was a bigger issue.

Tendonitis doesn't just go away and if it does it can come back at anytime. Rest at the onset is supposed to critical to prevent a chronic condition.

IMO stay away from Byram concussions get easier each one. And the team won't pay 6,7 or 8 mil for his next contract.

I still think Boeser for Jiricek makes the best sense. He fits under the cap and the team will have cap control for another 6 years. He has better numbers than Willander ever has had and NHL games.

Any Pettersson trade will be to the eastern conference or maybe Winnipeg but they aren't deep in assets. Maybe Ehlers and they might squeeze Yager, and a pick or two. But Ehlers isn't a Tocchet guy so not much chance for him. Tocchet guys would be Barron type players.
Petterrson would get quite a return.

JT Miller might get the most in return. Columbus could put together the best return and they need the push to make the playoffs. He is a playoff guy and the Canucks cap problems don't get better next year with the OEL going up to 4.75 mil and then Demko and Hughes needing huge raises just to keep this losing team.
This core has had only one season of winning hockey going back 8 years with mostly the same guys, Boeser, JT Miller, Hughes, Pettersson and Garland

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

Pettersson's kicks in in July, he is on the last year of his RFA status.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

My wife and family would enjoy this route as my interest in this team would tank back to 2016-2022 levels again.

 

[JT Milker]

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

Pettersson does not have trade protection this year. Quick google search pre-post is your friend.

 

[Nuckles]

You guys do realize that both Miller and Patterson have no movement clauses. They would have to wave, which would mean we are bargaining from a position of weakness. If you wanna get insane on making a trade send Hughes to New Jersey for whatever haul you can get. I would suspect that you could get a top player a prospect and three unprotected firsts for Hughes. And would probably make New Jersey Stanley Cup favorites.

Pettersson's NMC doesn't kick in until July 1st. It's why there's so much talk about potentially moving him mid-season instead of the off-season.

Trading Hughes means going full-blown rebuild mode.