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[StreetHawk]

I think I'm willing to endure 84 games if it means they get back to starting in early October and the season ends a few weeks earlier like Pagnotta suggests.

I just don't see why the PA would take 84 games for a shorter pre-season which the regulars won't play all of them. Seems like a stupid thing to trade off.

I mean, PA isn't increasing their pay by 2/82 games or 2.44% increase in pay. That $1 mill play isn't getting $24K more a season.

 

[Vector]

I just don't see why the PA would take 84 games for a shorter pre-season which the regulars won't play all of them. Seems like a stupid thing to trade off. Like the NFLPA taking lighter or less padded practices (very little monetary benefit) to go to 17 game regular season.

I mean, PA isn't increasing their pay by 2/82 games or 2.44% increase in pay. That $1 mill play isn't getting $24K more a season.

I'm not 100% certain and would have to check but I do not think pre-season games count towards gate revenue but regular season games do. So an 84 game season goes right to the players pocket.

 

[Vector]

Also normal people can absolutely take medical leave for mental health problems.

He's American so maybe they don't? Not like the healthcare system is amazing there.

 

[brock hughes007]

i just posted my thoughts on Brock extension


Anyway, i will pay Brock 8 to 8.5m
The cap is going up and Brock is Brock Boeser

Yeah I would not..to much money for a Maybe type of player.Id put that money towards defense first.

 

[racerjoe]

That's also a weird straw man he's creating because we aren't talking about normal people.

I would add normal people may not be able to, but they should. And if this helps us get there (doubtful) great.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Not Canucks related but some interesting names on the Senators and CBA talk.


Ottawa Senators

• Brady Tkachuk is not available
• Are aware that the team needs to win and will look at making moves
• Josh Norris has generated interest from other teams; Calgary has expressed interest in the past
• Some talk of Thomas Chabot and Drake Batherson being in trade talks
• Senators want to do something
• Tkachuk’s NTC doesn’t kick in until next season
• Claude Giroux and Shane Pinto could be trade options

Batherson is a solid trade chip if they’re trying to trade him.

For reference:
Last 3 seasons + current season as of Dec 11th 2024:
B. Tkachuk: 266GP 115G 138A 253Pts
D. Batherson: 225P 77G 124A 201Pts

Really have no clue what a trade would look like. Ottawa has some really nice pieces but a team like Calgary can offer Weegar or Andersson and it would be better than anything we can offer.

I wonder if they have any interest in a Hoglander-Pinto or Grieg swap.

 

[StreetHawk]

Ott, they burned up all of the RFA years of Chabot already and Brady’s extension at the end of this season. Kind of crazy that so much time has passed.

Have to be careful and sure that they aren’t building around guys who will ask out later.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I think I'm willing to endure 84 games if it means they get back to starting in early October and the season ends a few weeks earlier like Pagnotta suggests.

Not if the Nucks continue to play like they have at home.

Maybe if the additional two games are on the road.

 

[Dana Murzyn]

It's up to the front office to decide how to replace him but if players are going to tell the market they are taking a discount and then don't, by pure principle the team needs to move on.

That said, there's plenty of time. If Boeser can resume scoring at a 40 goal pace when Miller returns it becomes more palatable.

The upside is they've got a starting number to go by and they can use that to decide whether to start negotiations.

Edit: accidental post thanks to the sea of pop-ups on my phone.

 

[aregora]

I'd have serious interest in Pinto if he's available. Think he's a great buy-low opportunity.

You're saying that Pinto is worth a gamble? I bet you're right.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I think I'm willing to endure 84 games if it means they get back to starting in early October and the season ends a few weeks earlier like Pagnotta suggests.

At first I thought more regular games was terrible, and still do mostly for record reasons, but also preseason games are so awful I want as few of them as possible.

Also season should start week of, or week following schools starting from summer break, but I suppose I'll take earlier October better than nothing.

 

[Diablo2020]

The day Buchnevich signed his deal that was the low bar for the Canucks keeping Boeser.

We can only hope we keep it closer to Buch's 8.0 and not Barzal's 9.15.

 

[Nucker101]

The day Buchnevich signed his deal that was the low bar for the Canucks keeping Boeser.

We can only hope we keep it closer to Buch's 8.0 and not Barzal's 9.15.

Call me crazy, but I think I take Buch over Boeser. and Barzal is in a whole other tier.

 

[racerjoe]

When comparing deals that are not signed in the same year, it’s better to look at cap %

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

You're saying that Pinto is worth a gamble? I bet you're right.

Came here to make this same joke lmao well done.

 

[Diablo2020]

Call me crazy, but I think I take Buch over Boeser. and Barzal is in a whole other tier.

When comparing deals that are not signed in the same year, it’s better to look at cap %

Buchnevich signed a 6 yr deal at 8 million that only starts next year. His highest scoring season is one 30 goal year then 27 then 26.

Barzal is from Boeser's draft class. Also and immedietly above him in scoring is Konecy at 8.75 and Meier at 8.8.

Boeser comes in somewhere between Buch and Barzal its all but guaranteed.

 

[StreetHawk]

Age at signing (and age at the end of the deal) are also factors. Brock's deal will begin at 28. Barzal's deal began at 26. Buch his deal would start at 30. So, at 6 years, it would end at 36, same with an 8 year term for Brock. Barzal's ends at 34.

I'd always hope that the player coming off a bridge is worth the max so that it runs to around 34. But, that wasn't the case with Brock.

 

[mriswith]

Using Konecny as a comparable, he was rumoured to be asking for 10 mil. If Boeser is asking for 8+ maybe we end up getting 7.5x7. Boeser's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't posturing at 8+.

I'd pay him what it takes either way. He was easily worth that last year in the regular season, playoffs and this year, and when he went down it became apparent that he's been carrying Miller more than we all realized. As long as someone stays on his ass about his conditioning he'll be worth it, that's pretty much the only caveat with this player. When he's fit enough that his legs can keep up with his brain he's gold.

 

[wonton15]

Using Konecny as a comparable, he was rumoured to be asking for 10 mil. If Boeser is asking for 8+ maybe we end up getting 7.5x7. Boeser's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't posturing at 8+.

I'd pay him what it takes either way. He was easily worth that last year in the regular season, playoffs and this year, and when he went down it became apparent that he's been carrying Miller more than we all realized. As long as someone stays on his ass about his conditioning he'll be worth it, that's pretty much the only caveat with this player. When he's fit enough that his legs can keep up with his brain he's gold.

Agree with all of this. I think he’ll end up signing a 8x$7.5 with us by the deadline. He wants to be here and he’s turned into a good two way player who can score.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I'm not 100% certain and would have to check but I do not think pre-season games count towards gate revenue but regular season games do. So an 84 game season goes right to the players pocket.

I get that it's a money thing, but players are so worn down after 80-84 games. I would like to see a return to 70 with fewer back to backs.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Friday is coming, I feel a trade coming on. I've got the itch, got it bad!

 

[LemonSauceD]

$8M and 6 years is the most I’d go. He’s kind of a modern day Patrick Sharp. His $5.90M contract back in the day came around 9.83% of the cap. 10% at say 92M cap is roughly $9M.

6 years is the most I’d probably do. With his skating and injury history I’d be weary of giving him an 8 year deal.

 

[WTG]

Are we really going to hand wring ourselves over half of a million dollars on a player that the team can't replace? Just pay Boeser, sign him to a long term deal and smile to the bank when the cap goes up by like 20 mil in the next 3 years.

 

[Hodgy]

Using Konecny as a comparable, he was rumoured to be asking for 10 mil. If Boeser is asking for 8+ maybe we end up getting 7.5x7. Boeser's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't posturing at 8+.

I'd pay him what it takes either way. He was easily worth that last year in the regular season, playoffs and this year, and when he went down it became apparent that he's been carrying Miller more than we all realized. As long as someone stays on his ass about his conditioning he'll be worth it, that's pretty much the only caveat with this player. When he's fit enough that his legs can keep up with his brain he's gold.

Miller was playing through an obvious injury and probably some mental health issues. A healthy Miller absolutely drives that line and isn’t carried by Boeser. I think you are overrating a small sample sizes when Boeser was probably dragging Miller along but its not the norm.