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[Vector]

• Canucks have been pretty involved in trade talks for a while
• Have increased focus on moving Miller in the last 7-10 days
• There’s a hope to get something done but no guarantee
• Thinks they are prioritizing another forward that can make an impact
• Mindful of not wanting to weaken the lineup in the short term
• Want players and not just magic beans; not a picks and prospects type of deal

• Could increase the number of suitors in the off-season
• Dallas has made a call but is not the favourite
• Carolina has been involved in both Pettersson and Miller
• Rangers are the most motivated; were talking to the Canucks about Miller before Christmas; have advanced talks beyond tire kicking
• Thinks it’s more than 2 or 3 teams but has been on again and off again
• Might want to rip the bandaid off
• His understanding is that this isn’t being driven by Miller but is the Canucks going to him
• More nuance to the situation
• Pettersson’s production is not up to what he’s being paid
• Going down the road of trading Miller because he’s a marketable commodity and is the older of the two players

 

[Vector]

This is just gonna drag on and on isn’t it.

If it does, the least they could do is string some wins together. That would at least quiet things a little.

 

[Wisp]

I was literally responding to a post where you were comparing Miller's volatility to Pettersson's.

3 teams in 13 years at age 31 is fewer than average, for the record.

That's really not the spirit of what I said at all, which I clarified in my reply to you as I suspected I was not understood.

 

[arttk]

• Canucks have been pretty involved in trade talks for a while
• Have increased focus on moving Miller in the last 7-10 days
• There’s a hope to get something done but no guarantee
• Thinks they are prioritizing another forward that can make an impact
• Mindful of not wanting to weaken the lineup in the short term
• Want players and not just magic beans; not a picks and prospects type of deal
• Could increase the number of suitors in the off-season
• Dallas has made a call but is not the favourite
• Carolina has been involved in both Pettersson and Miller
• Rangers are the most motivated; were talking to the Canucks about Miller before Christmas; have advanced talks beyond tire kicking
• Thinks it’s more than 2 or 3 teams but has been on again and off again
• Might want to rip the bandaid off
• His understanding is that this isn’t being driven by Miller but is the Canucks going to him
• More nuance to the situation
• Pettersson’s production is not up to what he’s being paid
• Going down the road of trading Miller because he’s a marketable commodity and is the older of the two players

Feels like asset wise, best to wait till the offseason. They really need to sit everyone down and say, hey, there is a lot of talent here, it’s going to be shameful looking back and not having accomplished more. Suck it up, channel your anger to McD and Draisaitl’s and go for a last dance and when the season it’s over, we’ll find a solution.

People shouldn’t expect anything from Carolina jumping in as well, if anything they probably offered a 3rd rounder and asked us to retain 50%.

 

[TruGr1t]

This is just gonna drag on and on isn’t it.

I think I would pefer they wait, but don't expect them to. They were poised to accept a pretty bad offer from the Rangers ... probably only a matter of time before they cobble something together. Doubt it will be good.

 

[Wisp]

ya, given how Pettersson has performed, there's no way that the team would be trading Miller if it was just about him. It's delusional to think that Pettersson will somehow turn into an elite player again just because a teammate he doesn't like isn't on the team anymore.

Miller has worn out his welcome.

While I wouldn't be taking it to the bank to gamble with, I wouldn't be surprised the increase in opportunity & decrease in stress leads to a confidence-led turn around. Everyone seemed to be having a good time while Miller was out in November.

 

[MS]

That's really not the spirit of what I said at all, which I clarified in my reply to you as I suspected I was not understood.

You said it wasn't an either/or with Miller/Pettersson because Miller was volatile and his issues would re-occur, which implies that Pettersson was not. Probably 60-70% of the last 5 seasons have been spent with drama around either Pettersson's repeated extended periods of poor play (whatever the reason) or his contract situation/stance.

Back on topic, hopefully the team sits and waits this out rather than rushing a trade for a crap return.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This is just gonna drag on and on isn’t it.

Yo, you were here for the Luongo saga right?

 

[ChilliBilly]

ok where is the debate about the suspensions? 3 game each. I thought McD deserved an extra game, but really thought it would be 1` for Myers and 2 for McD. Not surprised that its 3 each.

 

[Ernie]

Nearly at 1000 posts in just a day and a half. A post every 2 minutes. Must be a new record.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Player with an injured knee is not moving as much as before is such a no f***ing shit moment that it’s amazing to me you still believe it’s just effort. Like what @MarkusNaslund19 has said, dude is willing to block shot, he’s top 5 apparently as a forward in blocking shots, every year and yet he is just lazy when it comes to offense, the fun part of the job. And he’s only lazy in times when he is Injured /coming off an injury and he’s not lazy any other times. At some point you have to realize, oh, it’s actually injury.

Not top 5 every year.. only once in 22/23. Matthews was 1st which is bizarre and Pettersson was 2nd. But that was the only year, I think he's in 10th right now though.

 

[VIPettersson]

If it does, the least they could do is string some wins together. That would at least quiet things a little.

Would it not be hilarious if they go on a huge win streak and they never end up trading either Pettersson and Miller? if only they could drag it out and see what happens 4d chess

 

[arttk]

Not top 5 every year.. only once in 22/23. Matthews was 1st which is bizarre and Pettersson was 2nd. But that was the only year, I think he's in 10th right now though.

Surprised about Matthews.

 

[xtr3m]

If it does, the least they could do is string some wins together. That would at least quiet things a little.

That'd be funny...

1. Players stop caring and worrying about their game -- whatever happens, happens
2. Start playing a much simpler game, if the puck goes in so be it
3. The puck goes in
4. JT and Petey still don't say hi to each other but the team is winning more than it's losing
5. ???
6. Playoffs

 

[arttk]

That'd be funny...

1. Players stop caring and worrying about their game -- whatever happens, happens
2. Start playing a much simpler game, if the puck goes in so be it
3. The puck goes in
4. JT and Petey still don't say hi to each other but the team is winning more than it's losing
5. ???
6. Playoffs

don’t forget aquaman’s favorite step, PROFIT

 

[Wisp]

You said it wasn't an either/or with Miller/Pettersson because Miller was volatile and his issues would re-occur, which implies that Pettersson was not. Probably 60-70% of the last 5 seasons have been spent with drama around either Pettersson's repeated extended periods of poor play (whatever the reason) or his contract situation/stance.

Back on topic, hopefully the team sits and waits this out rather than rushing a trade for a crap return.

I didn't imply that, you simply made an assumption and misunderstood me. But yes, back on topic, agree to disagree, good night.

 

[Agent007]

Well, he said that may be a player they are willing to trade but didn’t draw a direct line. I’m working on a recap right now. Unfortunately my home PC keeps crashing.

I went back and listened to it.

Frank:

“Could I see K’andre Miller moving in a deal?? Potentially. Yes. And that’s a way better more likely play”

(This was in context to the Schneider talk which frank said nope not happening)


Last thing (unrelated to above) wanted to mention the rangers don’t have a 2nd round pick for the next 3 drafts. Would they leave a potential unconditional first round in 2026 or 2027? Would have to imagine that’s why it’s a sensitive condition. It might be something stupid like conditional if rangers make the East finals otherwise it’s two 3rds.

 

[Vector]

I went back and listened to it.

Frank:

“Could I see K’andre Miller moving in a deal?? Potentially. Yes. And that’s a way better more likely play”

(This was in context to the Schneider talk which frank said nope not happening)


Last thing (unrelated to above) wanted to mention the rangers don’t have a 2nd round pick for the next 3 drafts. Would they leave a potential unconditional first round in 2026 or 2027? Would have to imagine that’s why it’s a sensitive condition. It might be something stupid like conditional if rangers make the East finals otherwise it’s two 3rds.

Yeah, I though they meant in the latest interview but it was from his Daily Faceoff show this morning that I had recapped earlier here and on twitter.

 

[God]

i just want these two dipshits to play better. this isn't like some teammate sleeping with your wife or gf. millions of people work with people they wouldn't otherwise associate with. has the team tried stepping in with some sort of psychologist/mediator?

there isn't a win to trading either of them

trading miller:
- lose your number 1 centre along with his production, especially on the PP
- lose one of the best players at set plays
- lose one of the best faceoff guys in the league
- what if petey doesn't recover? we are just f***ed.

trading pettersson:
- lose a potential franchise cornerstone
- lose a fantastic defensive forward
- miller is getting older and our depth is just gutted in a year or two if he starts to regress

sure, maybe the room gets happier? but everybody is happy when they win, and they might not win much with such crap centre depth if there isn't a suitable replacement centre out there unless they parlay a 1st round pick into like... idunno, casey mittelstadt?

 

[rypper]

Cuttlefish do, though!

I have no idea what anyone is even talking about anymore.

I can't hear cuttlefish and not think of that one south park episode..

Anyway I've been super busy lately and haven't listened to nearly as much content as some but did hear Drance on H&B. It sounded like he was referencing Chytill, Lindgren etc as a tier of player and not necessarily those exact players.

Ie. The return won't be a player of Lafreniere's level but more aplayer on the level of chytil lindgren etc.

Unless there's other information out there.

 

[supercanuck]

How good is Schneider supposed to be? IMO Rangers made a huge mistake not giving him up for JT a few years ago. They were legitimate contenders that lost twice in the GM7 of the ECF. Someone like JT could have really put them over the top.

 

[bossram]

I know @MarkusNaslund19 you responded to a couple of my posts agreeing. I'll just respond like this because it takes me so long to cut up the quote blocks (lol I'm dumb).

But yes, overall I think we agree on the Petey/Miller issues. Miller doesn't have much trade value, for all the reasons outlined. If people want to get upset at this, it just demonstrates they don't really understand the league dynamics. It is what it is. Apparently they decided to move on from Miller 6 weeks ago. You do so knowing you're not going to "win" a trade. You just need to transition the club's culture/core.

I said this before (and others ripped me for it) but I knew the reason for Miller's absence was some kind of incident that was bad enough that the club told him to get lost for a month. It obviously crossed a line. It was never about his mental health or whatever. It crossed the line and they can't go back. They're gonna have to move Miller.

I agree with you on Petey's mental state. He clearly has lost confidence. Obviously he knows he needs to be better. Tocc screaming "you suck" at him isn't going to magically make him score again. I'd like to understand by what mechanism some others think that would be a solution.

As you and I both agree, Petey is still playing like an elite defensive forward. This is an obvious and complete refutation of the "he doesn't compete" narrative some want to push. How is a guy "not trying" when he's still making good defensive reads, forechecking, backchecking, and blocking shots? It makes no sense.

 

[VanJack]

Supposedly a trade was so close with the Rangers, there was talk of holding Miller out of Saturday's game with the Oilers.

But I'm becoming less and less convinced that Miller is going anywhere. If this dressing-room disfunction is unsolvable, then this is the type of blockbuster reserved for the off-season.

If they trade Miller now, they're basically running up the white flag on the season. And I just don't think Allvin is willing to do that until at least March. At that point the Canucks will either be a firm 'buyer' or 'seller'.

 

[Ernie]

Supposedly a trade was so close with the Rangers, there was talk of holding Miller out of Saturday's game with the Oilers.

But I'm becoming less and less convinced that Miller is going anywhere. If this dressing-room disfunction is unsolvable, then this is the type of blockbuster reserved for the off-season.

If they trade Miller now, they're basically running up the white flag on the season. And I just don't think Allvin is willing to do that until at least March. At that point the Canucks will either be a firm 'buyer' or 'seller'.

The Canucks did go 5-3-2 in his absence, though the underlying results were pretty ugly. DeBrusk going on an absolute heater certainly helped.

 

[Vector]

I can't hear cuttlefish and not think of that one south park episode..

Anyway I've been super busy lately and haven't listened to nearly as much content as some but did hear Drance on H&B. It sounded like he was referencing Chytill, Lindgren etc as a tier of player and not necessarily those exact players.

Ie. The return won't be a player of Lafreniere's level but more aplayer on the level of chytil lindgren etc.

Unless there's other information out there.

The article from Drance, Dhaliwal, and Rangers’ beat writers were pretty specific that those were the players coming back from Rangers. Not a sure thing but would have to be very confident to name them.

“Rangers center Filip Chytil, defenseman Ryan Lindgren and some future-focused assets — the Rangers surprisingly scratched several Hartford Wolfpack players on Saturday, although it was unclear if it was trade-related — including a first-round pick could have been involved. One source briefed on the trade talks indicated that a disagreement on the protection structure of a first-round pick was a key hurdle.”