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[MS]

I think Sherwood actually did help create some space for EP. His speed also helped. I'm surprised they haven't gone back to that.

Yeah, Sherwood was the first player since Kuzmenko to actually look to have some chemistry with Pettersson and then they immediately split it up after a couple effective games.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

There is plenty of clear bias on this board, and I know people will think I am being biased for Petey as I have defended him, but the truth is the last 6 months, the majority of (not all) have been biased against Petey and pro miller.

If they were both receiving equal criticism it would probably be fine. They both would deserve it, but it just hasn’t. Even that way the last 6 months.

I think it may have something to do with him not living up to the contract he signed just over 6 months ago but that's just me. I don't think anyone's doubting he's a really good player but he's not even the best centre on our team, yet they cater to him give him the special treatment, best wingers, the money, .. still nothing. I think the pressure is too much maybe? That contract he was given was too much imo and I don't think he will ever be able to live up to it now which is going to be a problem with alot of fans. I still think he can be a great 2C. Last year we had 4 good lines, and we probably could have kept some of the pieces we had to let go if we didn't pay him so much.

 

[PG Canuck]

Why pick one or the other when both can be traded. That’s the boat I’m in.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

It feels strange that in a season with lots of potential buyers and very few potential sellers, we are still not getting good value for a premium asset. As much as JTM struggled this season, he should still be a top line player once he recovers, yet none of the contenders are throwing out a serious offer? (Sorry Carolina's package is not serious to me). Can't believe the only team offering something is an equally struggling old Rangers team. Smh.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I kind of wonder in a deal with the Rangers if K’Andre Miller is the piece they want. And they rest of the package will be used to try to trade for another center.

 

[credulous]

I don't think "JT Miller is self destructing because he's jealous of how his team mates get coached" is the defense of JT you think it is lol. The response to this hypothetical behavior is 'grow up, be a pro.'

it takes some serious cognitive dissonance to make miller's problems pettersson's fault

 

[Bleach Clean]

Why pick one or the other when both can be traded. That’s the boat I’m in.

Just IMO, because there's only one that instigated his way to being censured here: Miller.

Beginning of the year, both were struggling, and only one goes home. Why? He was benched. There probably was something that happened to have to make him go home. Not only this, but per rumour, he's been after Pettersson for over 5 years. Crazy that it's gone on this long...

I don't care a lick that Miller has been better than Pettersson overall the last year. How much better is he that the room is under siege with his antics?

To me, there is no decision. Miller has to go. If he had come to management, hat in hand, then reconsider. Otherwise, get rid of him.

 

[arttk]

It feels strange that in a season with lots of potential buyers and very few potential sellers, we are still not getting good value for a premium asset. As much as JTM struggled this season, he should still be a top line player once he recovers, yet none of the contenders are throwing out a serious offer? (Sorry Carolina's package is not serious to me). Can't believe the only team offering something is an equally struggling old Rangers team. Smh.

Servalli pushed back on the pieces that were rumored to be in the package and said that it was way off, paraphrasing.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Use whatever crap you get from the Rags to get Byram and Kulich from Buffalo.

 

[Szechwan]

Servalli pushed back on the pieces that were rumored to be in the package and said that it was way off, paraphrasing.

That is slightly more reassuring. Interesting that Drance and Dhali seemed fairly sure it was Chytil, Lindgren, 1st, and some prospect fodder.

 

[Quinning]

My sense of the issue with Miller (based mainly on some of his own offhand comments in interviews and Brad Richardson's recent remarks) is that he's driven to distraction by the performance of his teammates. He feels an overriding need to tell them what they should be doing better and it's not something that he can just turn off. Let's set aside the notion that he's an imperfect messenger for telling everyone else what they need to do. Let's say for sake of argument that he performs like Sidney Crosby on the ice. Even if that were the case, I can tell you from personal experience that that kind of behavior wears thin quickly. Perhaps it's tolerated more in a professional sports team environment - probably it is because winning trumps everything else. But from just a baseline human-to-human kind of level, no one likes a busy body. It's grating to be around.

So yeah, maybe in that one instance, it was unfair to Miller the way that Tocchet benched him. But if it was in the context of him yet again asserting himself as the self-appointed mayor of everything, I can kind of see it from Tocchet's perspective as well.

I've been in team environments with guys like this, especially when promotions are on the line and everyone's gunning for the same target. It's exhausting.

 

[Wisp]

Just IMO, because there's only one that instigated his way to being censured here: Miller.

Beginning of the year, both were struggling, and only one goes home. Why? He was benched, and there is history going back to when Horvat was here. The team and player were at a crossroads. Now, they're at the point of no return.

I don't care a lick that Miller has been better than Pettersson overall the last year. How much better is he that the room is under siege with his antics?

To me, there is no decision. Miller has to go. If he had come to management, hat in hand, then reconsider. Otherwise, get rid of him.

Yup. Like I keep saying, calling it an "Either/Or" decision is a fallacy. Miller is volatile. Always has been. Give it six months and we're doing this circus all over again. Trading other players won't fix him.

Does trading him fixes other players? I think you'd be surprised. The team was superb on the road trip when Miller was on leave.

 

[TruGr1t]

My suspicion based on the reports that 'Pettersson met with the team and said he wanted to stay' and 'Miller was open to going to the Rangers' is that the team is done with both guys pretty equally and done with the situation and went to them both, and when one guy was more open to leaving that guy was the guy who will get moved.

More of the core group (Boeser, Myers, Garland) seems closer to Miller if anything and Hughes seems like he gets along with both.

I also wonder if some of this is an unexpected fallout from losing Zadorov as he and Miller were close and Zadorov was probably the next biggest alpha personality in the room whose presence might have helped the situation.

I think they are planning on giving Pettersson a run here if Miller is traded, and they may look to move him before the clause kicks in if they aren't happy with the results. They're looking at the fact he's only 26 and locked-up, and thinking about guys like Eichel, and I don't think they're all that enthused about moving him. As mentioned though, I do think if Miller was 3-4 years younger this would be a very different conversation.

 

[ahmon]

Lindgren used to be quite good, born leader. Even in his draft year captained the US u-18s team.

Heart and soul type of player, who would hit everything, dive face first to block pucks, and gets into fights/scrums with much bigger opponent. Problem is he's 5'11 and not 6'3. Can't stay healthy.

Chytil im not even sure has positive value, wouldnt' sign him as a free agent for what he's making.

there has to be a better offer than what was speculated today.

 

[Vector]

Servalli pushed back on the pieces that were rumored to be in the package and said that it was way off, paraphrasing.

I think he’s more talking about the Lafrenière stuff from the day before.

 

[MS]

Yup. Like I keep saying, calling it an "Either/Or" decision is a fallacy. Miller is volatile. Always has been. Give it six months and we're doing this circus all over again.

The team has spent *a lot* more time suffering through Pettersson's disappearing acts in the last 5 years than it has Miller's volatile patches.

 

[Ernie]

Ugh. This Miller vs Pettersson is getting old and appears to mainly be a media construct.

Does Pettersson like Miller? Clearly not. But that also applies to a bunch of other players on the team.

The only reason the team would consider moving Miller for the reported package is that everyone has completely had enough of his shit. The 10 game healthy scratch did nothing to improve his attitude.

When Miller is focused on his own game, he's an elite player. When he's not, he's a liability and a locker room cancer. I really doubt that management is anywhere ready to throw the towel in this season, so they clearly see moving him as addition by subtraction. Let's hope they're right.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Servalli pushed back on the pieces that were rumored to be in the package and said that it was way off, paraphrasing.

Hopefully pushed back against the crap offers rumored, instead of pushing things more towards the bad packages. I haven't heard/read what Servaralli said, but I'm shocked that lesser players seem to be generating more interest/value.

 

[December5th]

if rangers dont want to give Lafrenière, they can f off lol. if hes such a negative presence on the team, then give him more time off, but dont trade him for scraps just to get him off the team. im down to trade miller, but if its for bull crap, then canucks need to just keep him

 

[Ernie]

As for the notion that Tocchet loves Miller, it's notable that his ice time is down by a minute and half from last season, the lowest in his time with the team.

Pettersson, meanwhile, has seen his ice time remain the same.

 

[MS]

I think they are planning on giving Pettersson a run here if Miller is traded, and they may look to move him before the clause kicks in if they aren't happy with the results. They're looking at the fact he's only 26 and locked-up, and thinking about guys like Eichel, and I don't think they're all that enthused about moving him. As mentioned though, I do think if Miller was 3-4 years younger this would be a very different conversation.

Oh totally. This is your team, now put up or shut up and if he doesn't put up there's a good chance he's gone too.

But again, I do get the sense that they went to both guys and if Pettersson had wanted a fresh start and Miller had said that he's coming through the other side of this with us no matter what, then Pettersson would be the guy getting moved regardless of age. Don't disagree that the age was probably another factor, though.

 

[Quinning]

I'd take prime Crosby over prime McDavid any day. One is a proven winner, the other is a crybaby.

 

[Ernie]

I think they are planning on giving Pettersson a run here if Miller is traded, and they may look to move him before the clause kicks in if they aren't happy with the results. They're looking at the fact he's only 26 and locked-up, and thinking about guys like Eichel, and I don't think they're all that enthused about moving him. As mentioned though, I do think if Miller was 3-4 years younger this would be a very different conversation.

The lack of NTC is pretty irrelevant. Nobody is trading for him if they aren't 100% sure he wants to play there for the next 7 years.

 

[arttk]

I think he’s more talking about the Lafrenière stuff from the day before.

Not sure, it was recorded today so I thought he was referring to the latest. Listening to it, he was just dismissing all the rumors as being way off

 

[Wisp]

The team has spent *a lot* more time suffering through Pettersson's disappearing acts in the last 5 years than it has Miller's volatile patches.

Stop trying to make this a Pettersson thing. If they want to do something with Pettersson after, have fun. But Miller is going to continue making his teammates miserable no matter who they trade. Miller's on his third team now, soon probably his fourth. And you know if they don't trade him, a request is invenitable.