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[credulous]

This is what I've said for a long time, and was the obvious cause of the leave of absence, yet people ripped me for it.

It was clear it was some kind of incident with the team, and that the club told him to get lost and cool down for a while.

yeah the mental health angle was extremely in bad taste and the club and media should have shut it down right away. everyone in the media knew the real reason for the absence but the cone of silence the canucks media group enforce let the situation get way out of control

and just like when the narrative was 'horvat and miller don't get along' the real story still isn't 'pettersson and miller don't get along'. miller is just a bad person to be around. if it wasn't pettersson it would be someone else

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

people forget that travis green teams were literally curling the puck to get a clearance far enough to get a line change. that was the defensive system.

the Nolan Baumgartner special: Markstrom or gg. never liked him in Utica no experience and just piggybacked with Green and now to Ottawa

 

[SnapIt]

What do you guys expect Allvin to say? “That our defence sucks and I’m looking for a trade.” This isn’t Benning where he speaks whatever that comes to his mind. He’s trying to keep some leverage in a trade and trying not to appear desperate. Plus he said capable, not good. This is pretty much GM speak for the blueline is bad.

maybe Allvin was going to say they suck, but he “ran out of time” at the presser.

 

[Quinning]

The bigger problem is that if they trade Miller for something like the rumoured Rangers deal, you need a massive rebound from Pettersson to make it work. Pettersson would likely sink the Canucks even if he is only ok for his contract, let alone if he Seth Jones-level bad value. At that point you’re banking on him returning to being a 90-100 point, Selke vote getting player to have any chance of competing over the next few years before Hughes hits FA.

Whereas if you deal Pettersson you might get enough back / enough cap space to continue to make a run at things.

The narrative around Pettersson is also better - he's publicly said he wants to be here, he's younger, he's much better defensively and could fit more teams contention windows, plus he has no trade protection. So he'd garner more in a trade, but might be more difficult to move cap wise.

 

[Jyrki21]

Take it for what it's worth, but Sekeres just said he heard the deal with the Rangers was basically done, but it was actually Rangers ownership that scuttled it. He basically said the deal was dead on that basis.

That would suggest it wasn't one of the weak packages we've been hearing about. I doubt ownership is stepping in to prevent the trade of a 3rd liner and some minor leaguers or whatever. Unless the money is a genuine issue, but, c'mon.

 

[MS]

I've always figured that he blew up at Tocchet for benching him while Pettersson hasn't been benched despite having similar down year offensively, and Tocchet told him to f*** off and learn his place.

Management found out and forced JT to take time away from the team.

This is what I've suspected from the start as well.

Pettersson basically didn't compete for 50 games and no-showed the playoffs and was handled with the softest kid gloves and then Miller has a bad couple games and gets benched and embarrassed by the coach, and probably (and justifably) blew up as a result.

The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.

 

[Quinning]

yeah the mental health angle was extremely in bad taste and the club and media should have shut it down right away. everyone in the media knew the real reason for the absence but the cone of silence the canucks media group enforce let the situation get way out of control

and just like when the narrative was 'horvat and miller don't get along' the real story still isn't 'pettersson and miller don't get along'. miller is just a bad person to be around. if it wasn't pettersson it would be someone else

They should have moved Miller pre-extension when it was clear he was causing issues in the room. They gambled on selling high on Horvat and assumed things would work themselves out, but Horvat wasn't the issue.

To make matters worse, they gradually removed every veteran or leader from the locker room that could keep someone like Miller in line...Schenn, Pearson, Toffoli, Tanev, Cole, Zadorov would not put up with the shit he's been allowed to do for the last few seasons. Boeser is still around but by all accounts he gets along with Miller.

I love Hughes, and I have no idea what he's like in the room, but he doesn't exactly strike me as the same type of player as those mentioned above. He seems more like a lead by example type of guy, much like Henrik was.

 

[Tinhorn1]

This is what I've suspected from the start as well.

Pettersson basically didn't compete for 50 games and no-showed the playoffs and was handled with the softest kid gloves and then Miller has a bad couple games and gets benched and embarrassed by the coach, and probably (and justifably) blew up as a result.

The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.

If that's the case, I guess no one agreed with him.

 

[bossram]

yeah the mental health angle was extremely in bad taste and the club and media should have shut it down right away. everyone in the media knew the real reason for the absence but the cone of silence the canucks media group enforce let the situation get way out of control

and just like when the narrative was 'horvat and miller don't get along' the real story still isn't 'pettersson and miller don't get along'. miller is just a bad person to be around. if it wasn't pettersson it would be someone else

Yeah. People chiding others about "respecting Miller's mental health". Meanwhile they hurl vitriolic insults at Petey every day of their lives. Real respect for mental health there. Gimme a break.

We know what the issue is: Miller is a toxic personality and can't help himself but to cause problems with his teammates.

 

[andora]

Glad to see finally some sensible stuff starting to get posted in this Saga

 

[Quinning]

This is what I've suspected from the start as well.

Pettersson basically didn't compete for 50 games and no-showed the playoffs and was handled with the softest kid gloves and then Miller has a bad couple games and gets benched and embarrassed by the coach, and probably (and justifably) blew up as a result.

The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.

He's not wrong - Pettersson failing to perform is ultimately what prevented the team from advancing. Silovs was doing just enough to get them over the hump and even 2 more goals in that series would have been enough to turn the tide. Pettersson knows that and I'm sure it's been killing him since it happened.

Having said that, you cannot as a player publicly ridicule or call out your teammates without some type of pushback from management. If you did this in the corporate world, you would be out the door so f***ing fast because management doesn't want anyone rocking the boat or opening up potential harassment lawsuits.

Miller isn't the Captain, he might wear a letter but it's the same letter Pettersson wears last I checked. He is not above anyone else on the team, he's not a coach, and he should never have stepped out of line to the level he clearly did.

 

[brock hughes007]

boeser makes it difficult to evaluate because he's got great shot tipping ability, can really rip the puck, etc. and then sometimes he's an absolute slug at evens and isn't engaged whatsoever, but he can be.

it ends up being a question of how much you want to commit to a player like that, and what you might be able to replace him with. it's a tough choice, especially when debrusk is producing at a similar rate at even strength. i could probably stomach boeser at an AAV of 7-7.5M on an 8 year deal. or maybe you just throw a boatload of money at marner.

No way I'd want Boeser on any 8 year deal.That would age very bad.Its time to move on.Get what you can for him at the tdl.I have a hard time believing this team makes the playoffs this year anyways.We have Lekkerimaki just about ready to take his spot full time soon..

 

[arttk]

Ehhh. I dunno about that. Even without the injuries, we're so weak on defense, it's very likely he draws in fairly often. It's not like Desharnais has been great either and Tocchet seems to adore Juulsen for some ungodly reason.

Right agree with that but we are also seeing A LOT of him, like way more because of injuries. Also all the injuries probably wrecked their plans around tolling cap and making trades earlier.

 

[wetcoast]

If Miller isn’t getting the best value in a return, then I’d keep him and start shopping Pettersson.

It's not that simple at EP40 has a much greater term and really the better situation longterm if they make a move is to move Miller and get what you can get.

It's a crappy thing but if we are there, we are there, right?

Only one of them have to go to fix the locker room issue. IMO, it should be whoever fetches us the best possible return.

The move should be what's best for the team, both short term and long term, if the team feels that they have to go there.

That being said even with both of them on the team do the Canucks really stack up in the West?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Yeah. People chiding others about "respecting Miller's mental health". Meanwhile they hurl vitriolic insults at Petey every day of their lives. Real respect for mental health there. Gimme a break.

We know what the issue is: Miller is a toxic personality and can't help himself but to cause problems with his teammates.

Quoted for truth but I see people doing it to Miller now based on their own extrapolation of what little information we’ve been given as well.

If I see one more “that’s what fans doooooo” I might puke. We are so willing to dole out everyone else’s lack of accountability and ignore our own. I’m just as guilty, most of us are adult fans now.

 

[supercanuck]

It still doesn't really make sense for me. Whatever that was said must have been bad enough for a 1 month absence? Did he give Tocchet the sugar-me-do or something?

 

[JT Milker]

Mods are asleep everyone post their JT thin blue line pics.

 

[MS]

Yeah. People chiding others about "respecting Miller's mental health". Meanwhile they hurl vitriolic insults at Petey every day of their lives. Real respect for mental health there. Gimme a break.

We know what the issue is: Miller is a toxic personality and can't help himself but to cause problems with his teammates.

Both guys clearly have major personality issues.

Miller has poor emotional control that becomes toxic when things are going wrong for him and Pettersson stops competing and turns into a sulky pissbaby when things are going wrong for him. Take your pick.

 

[arttk]

A historical, probably franchise-altering blunder.

Depends on how badly Miller blew up at coaching and management. There is a line you don’t cross and if you do, management has to take action. Not taking action back then would’ve been worse for coaching and management because you don’t want to end up being seen as playing favorites.

Mods are asleep everyone post their JT thin blue line pics.

For us who live in the states, spare us by leaving anything remotely political out of here please.

 

[Peen]

We've been so distracted by the nonsense we haven't been able to dream up a stupid Rantanen fantasy this offseason. Legit haven't seen it mentioned once.

Let's start it.

Rantanen to the canucks in the summer.

 

[Curm]

Miller has been providing a lot of cover for EP40, on and off the ice, it will be interesting to see how EP40 performs once that cover is gone and inferior players and less media fronting personalities are in Miller's place.

I don't think it bodes well for Pettersson, the team, or EP40 as a tradable asset come summer.

 

[arttk]

This is what I've suspected from the start as well.

Pettersson basically didn't compete for 50 games and no-showed the playoffs and was handled with the softest kid gloves and then Miller has a bad couple games and gets benched and embarrassed by the coach, and probably (and justifably) blew up as a result.

The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.

Or the coaching staff is not treating Petey with kids gloves and is treating him this way because they know he is physically compromised. There is a difference knowing a guy is playing despite injuries vs a guy just spacing out and making dumbass mistakes because he is too emotional.
Sitting Petey doesn’t change the fact he’s physically compromised. Sitting Miller was seen as a way to wake him up.

 

[wonton15]

We've been so distracted by the nonsense we haven't been able to dream up a stupid Rantanen fantasy this offseason. Legit haven't seen it mentioned once.

Let's start it.

Rantanen to the canucks in the summer.

How about Marner to the Canucks, 8x$15M?

Sasson Suter Marner
DeBrusk Pettersson DiGiuseppe

 

[MS]

Or the coaching staff is not treating Petey with kids gloves and is treating him this way because they know he is physically compromised. There is a difference knowing a guy is playing despite injuries vs a guy just spacing out and making dumbass mistakes because he is too emotional.
Sitting Petey doesn’t change the fact he’s physically compromised. Sitting Miller was seen as a way to wake him up.

Give it up with the injury nonsense that literally everyone involved has said is not a factor in Pettersson's play. The f***ing GM just came out and ripped Pettersson's compete and preparation a couple weeks ago.

Like, Miller was the guy who was *actually* injured when he was benched FFS.

 

[Peen]

How about Marner to the Canucks, 8x$15M?

Sasson Suter Marner
DeBrusk Pettersson DiGiuseppe