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[Quinning]

Thankfully Hughes isn't an upcoming UFA. They've got some time.

The one thing that solves almost all problems is winning. The team should be doing everything they can to shake up the defense, including getting another puck mover that Tocchet will actually play. It's what they should have done 2+ months ago after it was obvious from the start this D was complete ass outside of Hughes/Hronek.

It also seems like they could use another level-headed, vocal veteran in the locker room.

He's UFA end of 2027. That leaves the rest of this season, and the next two seasons to get their shit together and get past the 2nd round.

 

[Canucker]

Count me as one who suspects Allvin might just come out and say we aren't moving Miller.

Yeah, probably the case...gotta cool the temperature surrounding the team.

 

[Quinton Byfield]

Just to emphasize how much JR and Allvin have bungled this entire situation and continue to do so, the rumored Rangers deal for Miller is about the same (if not arguably worse) than what Benning got for a 43 point Kesler.

There’s absolutely no reason for the Canucks not to be able to get a decent return for a player of this calibre. Period.

I don’t give a f*** how “toxic” Miller is rumoured to be. 8m in a rising cap is nothing. 104pts last year. Averages 91pts the last 4 years. Physical player that has size and skill, and can match up against the very best players in the league (when properly motivated ofc). One of the very best faceoff aces in the league. Still on a 73pt pace this year.

And you tell me Chytil, Lindgren, and a 1st is the return?

Management needs to not bungle this up. And posters saying any trade is a win, freeing up cap and getting a 1st is a win need to shut the f*** up.

Miller is a game changing asset for any contending team able to make the money work. He does not move without a prime asset and picks coming back.

 

[PavelBure10]

Lol What a difference a season makes. Last season I went from being extremely excited regarding any trade, to completely terrified of any potential deal in the works.

 

[Bobby9]

Pettersson was forced to play through a debilitating knee injury for nothing, which may have permanently affected his mobility.

All of this is made up and fabricated by you

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Allvin: "We aren't moving Miller"
Reporter: "What about Pettersson?"
Allvin: "No comment"

 

[Quinning]

Mistake #1: Signing Mikheyev to a 4 year contract when we needed help on the blueline. Had to use a pick and retain to get rid of him.

Not too bad.

Mistake #2: Signing Kuzmenko to a 2 year extension when it should have been foreseen the coach wouldn't like his style of play.

Again, wasn't too bad in the grand scheme of things. It's just annoying how there was an obvious disconnect between the GM and coach.

Mistake #3, 4, 5: Signing Myers to an extension, and thinking Desharnais, Juulsen and Forbort could round out our blueline.

I'm sorry but this was absolutely inexcusable. It was something right out of Jim Benning's playbook.

This JT Miller saga is now reinforcing the belief that our GM may be a total moron.

Zadorov wanting as much money as he did was a disaster for the back end. Had he taken a million less, he would have been able to flourish in a system that was tailor-made for his game, and now he's floundering in Boston. He stuck to his guns and the team had no Plan B as they watched all of the quality players come off the board.

 

[Hansen]

I think Allvin did a little too well in trades last year and is now getting the Mike Gillis treatment from the rest of the GMs, which is a shame because he and JR very openly go by the policy of not trying to rip anyone off in a deal, which is what teams like Carolina exclusively try to do

 

[Vector]

They have to have a certain amount of players for practice right?

Actually over the required amount of 20 since they never sent Sasson down. So they are at a 21/23 roster.

 

[Quinning]

I think Allvin did a little too well in trades last year and is now getting the Mike Gillis treatment from the rest of the GMs, which is a shame because he and JR very openly go by the policy of not trying to rip anyone off in a deal, which is what teams like Carolina exclusively try to do

That wouldn't really make sense though, because JR is part of the OBC and that's the whole reason he's here.

Gillis was a former player agent that was a complete ass to deal with, so it's not surprising that other GMs blacklisted him. Shame because he and Gilman were tremendous.

 

[Ernie]

If they're going to keep him after everything that has happened based on one game against a bitter rival (that someone his type should have zero trouble getting riled up for) they are more delusional than we think.

We aren't playing the Oilers every night. That was his swansong, one final "thank you" to the fans of this city who have chanted his name for years. Odds are he goes right back to Bozo for the next game if they don't trade him.

If he was able to play at that level consistently, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I'm not saying keep him, I'm saying don't rush.

Not sure where the "bozo" nickname came from but it's not necessary to start throwing around names like that. JT Miller has done a lot for this team and fans shouldn't forget that.

I know when he scored that huge goal to win the first game of the season, I jumped up and yelled "JT f***ING MILLER." To get from there to where we are is just sad.

 

[Quinning]

All of this is made up and fabricated by you

It's speculation, sure, but not without reason based on what we can infer by several publicly made comments by management.

 

[moiderer]

Feels like we're trading a 100 pt C for pieces that might not score 100 pt total for the rest of their careers.

Benning at least had a chance to get Theodore with Kesler. Laf or Schneider not even being on the table is remarkable.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Yeah, probably the case...gotta cool the temperature surrounding the team.

It's shades of a couple of years ago. Apparently Miller to PIT was insanely close, to the point where Miller missed the game due to an "undisclosed injury", but he was back and fine the next game and everyone carried on as if nothing happened.

If the returns for Miller are just not overwhelming Allvin and Rutherford, maybe they just do the same thing.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

would you all be happy to take on regressing (not talking about miller just a player) 31+age 7 years of 8-9m+ contract for unconditional 1st Willander (Schneider) we have no center, so maybe Lekk or one of D-petey/Kud/Mynio? no i would not

 

[Bobby9]

It's speculation, sure, but not without reason based on what we can infer by several publicly made comments by management.

"forced"
"debilitating"
"permanent"

You sensationalized the entire sentence and made up random parts.

EP40 had a knee issue last year. Some personnel in coaching and management believe he could play through it including the player and his agent. Based on his play this year im speculating it could still be bothering him.

 

[Quinning]

If that limp dick Rangers offer is seriously the only thing on the table, stick to your guns and wait him out until the deadline. Publicly back him at the press conference, say that you're committed to resolving whatever these issues have been, and re-engage the market in a few weeks. Especially if their 1st is conditional...if the wheels completely fall off over there, that could be a high value pick.

Better that then to piss away a solid asset for nothing. This isn't a contending year either way you slice it, Miller or no Miller the defence is a f***ing disaster.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

There’s absolutely no reason for the Canucks not to be able to get a decent return for a player of this calibre. Period.

I don’t give a f*** how “toxic” Miller is rumoured to be. 8m in a rising cap is nothing. 104pts last year. Averages 91pts the last 4 years. Physical player that has size and skill, and can match up against the very best players in the league (when properly motivated ofc). One of the very best faceoff aces in the league. Still on a 73pt pace this year.

And you tell me Chytil, Lindgren, and a 1st is the return?

Management needs to not bungle this up. And posters saying any trade is a win, freeing up cap and getting a 1st is a win need to shut the f*** up.

Miller is a game changing asset for any contending team able to make the money work. He does not move without a prime asset and picks coming back.

Quinton Byfield was angry that day my friends.

Like an old man trying to send soup back at a deli.

 

[Timmer44]

That wouldn't really make sense though, because JR is part of the OBC and that's the whole reason he's here.

Gillis was a former player agent that was a complete ass to deal with, so it's not surprising that other GMs blacklisted him. Shame because he and Gilman were tremendous.

I thought the point of Benning was to firmly entrench the organization back into the OBC...

 

[Lat]

Mistake #1: Signing Mikheyev to a 4 year contract when we needed help on the blueline. Had to use a pick and retain to get rid of him.

Not too bad.

Mistake #2: Signing Kuzmenko to a 2 year extension when it should have been foreseen the coach wouldn't like his style of play.

Again, wasn't too bad in the grand scheme of things. It's just annoying how there was an obvious disconnect between the GM and coach.

Mistake #3, 4, 5: Signing Myers to an extension, and thinking Desharnais, Juulsen and Forbort could round out our blueline.

I'm sorry but this was absolutely inexcusable. It was something right out of Jim Benning's playbook.

This JT Miller saga is now reinforcing the belief that our GM may be a total moron.

If you think that this management is poor, you really must not have remembered any of the Benning era and how bad it was in comparison.


For a good number of these moves, the logic behind them was understandable.

#1 - Agree that this was not a good move

#2 - Kuzmenko was coming off a 39 goal season, gelled with Pettersson, and we still managed to cut loose on him after it was determined it would not work out with Tocchet (and it wasn't as a cap dump). This was the right move at the time.

#3/4/5 - Any other team with their 1D and 2D injured for a good portion of time will suffer. Yes, the Canucks have been missing a top 4 LD all season, and it probably was redundant to sign both Desharnais and Forbort, but the logic was that they would fill in the missing role closer to the TDL after some cap accrual. The injures to Hronek and Hughes really derailed the team more significantly than envisioned.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Feels like we're trading a 100 pt C for pieces that might not score 100 pt total for the rest of their careers.

Benning at least had a chance to get Theodore with Kesler. Laf or Schneider not even being on the table is remarkable.

I don’t think he’s viewed as a 100 point center. But he should still be a point per game guy for a couple of more years who can drive his own line. We need to get that kind of value back imo or just hold onto him. Maybe a team will pony up at the TDL.

 

[Vector]

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Dominoes!

 

[Ernie]

If this is really all it boils down to, I’m not sure they’re backing the right horse, especially with the rumoured returns for Miller.

It would be basically impossible to move Pettersson's salary right now. If keeping them both is not an option for the rest of the season, Miller is likely their only choice.

People point out his no trade protection but at the end of the day no team is going to trade for him and his $90m in salary without making 100% sure he wants to be there.

 

[Quinning]

I thought the point of Benning was to firmly entrench the organization back into the OBC...

What they failed to realize about Benning is that he reads at a third grade level and thinks trading draft picks is, like, "something you do to get your guy."